- Non-constructive posts

Added one for you.

- Non-constructive posts

Added one for you.

That is a very constructive post, it shows what you should NOT do. I can add another one ;

- Ban from the Forums everyone that says the truth ( Check )

No dude.. You will get banned for talking nonsense on this forum. Now take your bad attitude somewhere else please.

Nonsense ? and bad attitude ? Where ? .. I add a bonus one just for you ;

- Let Fanboys ruin your community ( Check )

That is a very constructive post, it shows what you should NOT do. I can add another one ;

- Ban from the Forums everyone that says the truth ( Check )

Promise a revolutionary game, then deliver a subpar unoriginal lobby shooter. ( Check )

Continually tell your players that you want their feedback, then ignore it and use your own internal data. ( Check )

Ignore the players, make radical, bad changes, then after the players revolt, make press appearances discussing how you listen to the player base ( Check )

While your biggest supporters ask for info, just keep telling them "we are working on it" and "SoonGäó" (Check)

Create promos hyping the connection between Eve and Dust, when most of the playerbase has never seen an orbital performed by a player as opposed to the warbarge. ( Check )

OP, you are just butthurt because CCP is making their game and not yours.

Perhaps you were in early beta or something and think you have some say in how the game will develop... but all of your opinions are just as subjective as mine or anyone elses.

Get over yourself. Like the game. Don't like the game. CCP is not the company that is going to make a pure FPS along the lines of your basement fantasies. Don't blame me. That's something that anyone should be able to see as this game is played within the Eve universe.

That wasn't my idea. That wasn't your idea. We'll have to see if CCP can pull it off. That is their idea (as far as I can tell).

Finally, whining and crying is not constructive. However, if you want to make petty lists and hope for the heavy duty trolling and complaining to appear after the fact -- knock yourself out.

Really ...... You fanboys try to hard , sit back for a second, analyze the game, think about all the things that could make this game better... then read my post again.

Really ...... You fanboys try to hard , sit back for a second, analyze the game, think about all the things that could make this game better... then read my post again.

- Add RPG components to the aiming mechanics ( Check )

- Nerf every weapon that is popular in FPS games ( Check )

- Create a huge SP cap, so new players have no chance to enjoy the game ( check )

- Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check )

- Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check )

- Create a VIP game mode and restrict the majority of the community from it ( Check )

- Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check )


So far so good CCP, nearly there.

Are you still playing the game? Why are you here crying??

Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ?

Stop hating little one and find yourself a new game to play. DUST514 is obviously not the right game for you.

Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ?

No. I'm still waiting to hear your 'solutions'.

I too think the game is broken, but saying it's broken & suggesting ways to fix it are two completely different things.

- Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check )
- Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check )
- Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check )

These lines are the rookie mistakes that has bit DUST in its ass, and will continue to do so with a half-assed game with little developer interest besides short term gains from those people so desperate for an 'edge' that they're willing to pour hundreds of dollars into a dead end product.

The rest are subjective evaluations, as you can have an RPG and skill system in any game, as long as it's implimented properly.

In case you didn't notice, Dust 514 is not the right game for "alot" of people. Lets see how that Fanboy thing goes, when is about 1000 people left in the servers.

Hey, OP, look... someone who can actually make a decent post on the subject... though we can argue whether we agree with the items selected.

- Most people feel that we don't have a P2W model, but it's something to keep an eye on.
- The release has issues that need fixing, pretty much universally agreed.
- At the moment we don't really have MMOFPS in the game.

- Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check )
- Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check )
- Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check )

These lines are the rookie mistakes that has bit DUST in its ass, and will continue to do so with a half-assed game with little developer interest besides short term gains from those people so desperate for an 'edge' that they're willing to pour hundreds of dollars into a dead end product.

The rest are subjective evaluations, as you can have an RPG and skill system in any game, as long as it's implimented properly.

"Add RPG components to the aiming mechanics" I think you got that one wrong.

CCP has a bad history of scam shops for those who care to look up $70 monocles on google and see what they come up with.

The fact that they allow players to buy prototype-grade equipment that can cut out months or years of active play and passive gains is, in effect, pay-2-win. It's got the interesting side effect of being a diminishing return now that people are already in proto-gear, but it still gives payers an edge over non-payers.

CCP has a bad history of scam shops for those who care to look up $70 monocles on google and see what they come up with.

The fact that they allow players to buy prototype-grade equipment that can cut out months or years of active play and passive gains is, in effect, pay-2-win. It's got the interesting side effect of being a diminishing return now that people are already in proto-gear, but it still gives payers an edge over non-payers.

My AUR proto suit is no different than my ISK proto suit.

Personally, I don't see it as 'pay to win' but more 'pay to save time'.

In my opinion, pay to win would be the ability to buy a weapon that clearly outclasses any ISK variant. Aside from the Fused Locus (which, in question, should be removed entirely), I don't see it.

Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ?

I assume you mean SP gap?

No, I don't believe boosters are pay to win. You can acquire SP without the use of boosters, it just takes more time.

As stated in my previous post, 'pay to save time'. It's a different concept than pay to win. Maybe we should nerf players who have been playing longer, to effectively nullify the SP gap? No, that's ridiculous.

I agree that the gap is a hinderence to new players, if they exist, but altering boosters isn't the solution. Matchmaking is.

Don't be so childish.

Unless you are arguing with someone else... I'm just saying it's not about what you want and it's not about what I want. That isn't a fanboy/hater issue.

"Pay to save time" is the excuse CCP is using for this "Pay to Win" model. Don't be so blind... please.

I agree that the gap is a hinderence to new players, if they exist, but altering boosters isn't the solution. Matchmaking is.

To revert back to my previous comment, would an ISK version of boosters help the issue? However, I don't see how it would be implemented effectively without making the AUR version better. Otherwise, there would be no need to support the development of the game via AUR.

No. I once played a game that offered an item that increased attack power by 60%, for cash.

Without paying cash you could only get a 20% increase. That is pay to win.

To revert back to my previous comment, would an ISK version of boosters help the issue? However, I don't see how it would be implemented effectively without making the AUR version better. Otherwise, there would be no need to support the development of the game via AUR.

You try matchmaking with a player base this small.

I hope everyone enjoys ten minute waits to get games set up.

All those scrubs demanding matchmaking as a panacea for the NPE, it is only going to make things much, much worse.

All the problems of PC are going to show up in full color in instant battle when matchmaking hits.

All so that newberries can be protected, when half of the noobs are just vets running alts.

Will you be happy if CCP does a full SP reset ? and if not, why ? Obviously that will level the gap, but alot of people is against it. Why is that ?

I do not agree with your opinion here.

I think it is absolutely about what we want.

If CCP were interested in making a game for themselves, they could have done so internally.

They instead chose to make a game for public consumption. Further, they then decided to attempt to monetize that project. At that point it becomes central to their goal to attend to what the customer base wants.

So it is about what we want, we just want different things. Also, we have different levels of patience. Mine is running out, while yours seems to continue to endure. Good for you, but maybe I just have more experience with CCP to see where this is heading.

Also, it is a fanboy/hater issue, because any critical post on these forums finds a CCP ball licker quickly getting in here to act a fool. In this thread it was Sir Petersen, but there is always one. Some blind, semi-autistic dotard who feels the need to express solidarity with CCP as if the critics were the Gestapo.

Too many fanfests make developers lazy and unoriginal. Too many fanboys make games stale and bad.

Will you be happy if CCP does a full SP reset ? and if not, why ? Obviously that will level the gap, but alot of people is against it. Why is that ?

I can't say I would be happy to see all my hard earned SP disappear, but if it were to breathe new life into the game, personally, I would give it the thumbs up.

I play the game for the game and the people, not for my investment of time and money .

I do not agree with your opinion here.

I think it is absolutely about what we want.

If CCP were interested in making a game for themselves, they could have done so internally.

They instead chose to make a game for public consumption. Further, they then decided to attempt to monetize that project. At that point it becomes central to their goal to attend to what the customer base wants.

So it is about what we want, we just want different things. Also, we have different levels of patience. Mine is running out, while yours seems to continue to endure. Good for you, but maybe I just have more experience with CCP to see where this is heading.

Also, it is a fanboy/hater issue, because any critical post on these forums finds a CCP ball licker quickly getting in here to act a fool. In this thread it was Sir Petersen, but there is always one. Some blind, semi-autistic dotard who feels the need to express solidarity with CCP as if the critics were the Gestapo.

Too many fanfests make developers lazy and unoriginal. Too many fanboys make games stale and bad.

Perhaps, but you look at it from one side as well. There's balance. We have haters and fanboys. So what. Somehow people think that CCP has no ability to review comments in a critical way and look at the issues being discussed from both viewpoints and take what fits into their own vision. Seriously?

By the way, if we had 100,000 fanboys playing at a time the game would be great success wouldn't it? No matter how many haters we accumulate they will never be a measure of its success until they stop being haters.

That video interview is from E3 this year.

It is queued up to the dev talking about how after they released the ADS, air vehicles became too dominant, so now they are releasing the anti-air tank.

Now, tell me if you think that ADS are dominating the battlefield. I have never seen such a thing occur. They could not have gotten that info from data mining, because it just doesn't happen, even in pub matches. They certainly didn't data mine PC battles for that info, so where did it come from? The only logical answer is internal testing.

So we have devs taking there new creations out for a spin, then, without seeing how they get used by people who play the game, deciding that they are too strong, and that they need a counter.

So on the one hand, we have a majority of vehicle and AV users agreeing that DS's are just trash, but the Devs seem to think they were dominating.

That level of disconnect needs to be explained somehow, and I just can't do it.

But I do know that it does not bode well for the future if that is how the devs are thinking.

Don't be so childish.

Unless you are arguing with someone else... I'm just saying it's not about what you want and it's not about what I want. That isn't a fanboy/hater issue.

Clarify something for me please.

What fantasy world do you live in where making a game that CCP wants, and subsequently, a game that players do not want, somehow magically turns into a game that morphs into profitability?

"Players" are not a homogenic mass of like minded drones that share the same interests and vision of what constitutes a worthwhile game. A product can be perfectly profitable in a smaller scale if it caters to a small portion of the playerbase instead of aiming for the already happy masses. In fact. Making a sufficiently unique product can attract customers that didn't even know that they're interested in this kind of thing because the current market does not serve their specific needs.

Just looking at the Wii we see a gaming console that, on paper; is vastly inferior to the competition in every aspect other than price yet the unique controls and targeting the casual segment through games and marketing led to huge success because that casual marktet has never been accessible for Sony and MS an so those players had no where else to go. They basically had to do copy Nintentos innovation to get a hold of these customers no one knew exist but turned out to be huge in numbers.

EVE works through the same mechanics. The majority of MMO players prefers WoW and the likes yet EVE can stand it's ground and be successfull with a highly dedicated community. This is not in spite of the differences to mainstream MMOs but because of them as there are players that are simply not interested in "theme park" MMOs.

It's the same strategy with dust. CCP has no prospect of getting hold of the millions of COD and BF players because most of them are quite happy with what they have. Instead they create a game that grabs all those who don't like what the current FPS market has to offer by making it sufficiently different to those games. They already knew and expected that dust would not become a mainstream phenomenon because Dust was never aimed at the current mainstream market.

EVE works through the same mechanics. The majority of MMO players prefers WoW and the likes yet EVE can stand it's ground and be successfull with a highly dedicated community. This is not in spite of the differences to mainstream MMOs but because of them as there are players that are simply not interested in "theme park" MMOs.

It's the same strategy with dust. CCP has no prospect of getting hold of the millions of COD and BF players because most of them are quite happy with what they have. Instead they create a game that grabs all those who don't like what the current FPS market has to offer by making it sufficiently different to those games. They already knew and expected that dust would not become a mainstream phenomenon because Dust was never aimed at the current mainstream market.

Confirming that sub-6000 players, from a height of nearly 10000, is a comfortable niche for Dust. I guess CCP is aiming for that small core of gamers that are bored of good games and want a more frustrating experience. Clever girl, CCP, clever girl.