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Banning Hammer wrote:

Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:

I assume you mean SP gap?

No, I don't believe boosters are pay to win. You can acquire SP without the use of boosters, it just takes more time.

As stated in my previous post, 'pay to save time'. It's a different concept than pay to win. Maybe we should nerf players who have been playing longer, to effectively nullify the SP gap? No, that's ridiculous.

I agree that the gap is a hinderence to new players, if they exist, but altering boosters isn't the solution. Matchmaking is.

"Pay to save time" is the excuse CCP is using for this "Pay to Win" model. Don't be so blind... please.

No. I once played a game that offered an item that increased attack power by 60%, for cash.

Without paying cash you could only get a 20% increase. That is pay to win.

To revert back to my previous comment, would an ISK version of boosters help the issue? However, I don't see how it would be implemented effectively without making the AUR version better. Otherwise, there would be no need to support the development of the game via AUR.

Will you be happy if CCP does a full SP reset ? and if not, why ? Obviously that will level the gap, but alot of people is against it. Why is that ?


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Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 131	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:00:00 - [1] - Quote - Non-constructive posts Added one for you.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 132	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:16:00 - [2] - Quote I don't see any solutions. Just a list of things that shouldn't be done, that already have been. So CCP should; - Remove RPG components to the aiming mechanics - Unnerf every weapon that is popular in FPS games - Remove SP - Reverse Official Release - Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a lobby shooter - Create a VIP game mode andmake it free - Follow a Pay to use stuff sooner model in a FPS game How? Some I can agree with, but I don't see how posting a list without offering any solutions besides acting like Captain Hindsight is going to help.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 133	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:53:00 - [3] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ? No. I'm still waiting to hear your 'solutions'. I too think the game is broken, but saying it's broken & suggesting ways to fix it are two completely different things.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 133	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:58:00 - [4] - Quote Your formula has clearly been followed already. We are past the point of prevention. You are not helping.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 134	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:10:00 - [5] - Quote Ferren Devarri wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Hey, OP, look... someone who can actually make a decent post on the subject... though we can argue whether we agree with the items selected. - Most people feel that we don't have a P2W model, but it's something to keep an eye on. - The release has issues that need fixing, pretty much universally agreed. - At the moment we don't really have MMOFPS in the game. CCP has a bad history of scam shops for those who care to look up $70 monocles on google and see what they come up with. The fact that they allow players to buy prototype-grade equipment that can cut out months or years of active play and passive gains is, in effect, pay-2-win. It's got the interesting side effect of being a diminishing return now that people are already in proto-gear, but it still gives payers an edge over non-payers. My AUR proto suit is no different than my ISK proto suit. Personally, I don't see it as 'pay to win' but more 'pay to save time'. In my opinion, pay to win would be the ability to buy a weapon that clearly outclasses any ISK variant. Aside from the Fused Locus (which, in question, should be removed entirely), I don't see it.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 135	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:19:00 - [6] - Quote I assume you mean SP gap? No, I don't believe boosters are pay to win. You can acquire SP without the use of boosters, it just takes more time. As stated in my previous post, 'pay to save time'. It's a different concept than pay to win. Maybe we should nerf players who have been playing longer, to effectively nullify the SP gap? No, that's ridiculous. I agree that the gap is a hinderence to new players, if they exist, but altering boosters isn't the solution. Matchmaking is.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 135	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:29:00 - [7] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: I assume you mean SP gap? No, I don't believe boosters are pay to win. You can acquire SP without the use of boosters, it just takes more time. As stated in my previous post, 'pay to save time'. It's a different concept than pay to win. Maybe we should nerf players who have been playing longer, to effectively nullify the SP gap? No, that's ridiculous. I agree that the gap is a hinderence to new players, if they exist, but altering boosters isn't the solution. Matchmaking is. "Pay to save time" is the excuse CCP is using for this "Pay to Win" model. Don't be so blind... please. No. I once played a game that offered an item that increased attack power by 60%, for cash. Without paying cash you could only get a 20% increase. That is pay to win. To revert back to my previous comment, would an ISK version of boosters help the issue? However, I don't see how it would be implemented effectively without making the AUR version better. Otherwise, there would be no need to support the development of the game via AUR.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 135	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:38:00 - [8] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: I agree that the gap is a hinderence to new players, if they exist, but altering boosters isn't the solution. Matchmaking is. You try matchmaking with a player base this small. I hope everyone enjoys ten minute waits to get games set up. All those scrubs demanding matchmaking as a panacea for the NPE, it is only going to make things much, much worse. All the problems of PC are going to show up in full color in instant battle when matchmaking hits. All so that newberries can be protected, when half of the noobs are just vets running alts. That's a good point, but no need to start calling people scrubs based on the solutions they believe would help. That said, matchmaking may have worked if implemented soon enough, but I guess it's too late now since most players have left for greener pastures.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 135	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:39:00 - [9] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: I assume you mean SP gap? No, I don't believe boosters are pay to win. You can acquire SP without the use of boosters, it just takes more time. As stated in my previous post, 'pay to save time'. It's a different concept than pay to win. Maybe we should nerf players who have been playing longer, to effectively nullify the SP gap? No, that's ridiculous. I agree that the gap is a hinderence to new players, if they exist, but altering boosters isn't the solution. Matchmaking is. "Pay to save time" is the excuse CCP is using for this "Pay to Win" model. Don't be so blind... please. No. I once played a game that offered an item that increased attack power by 60%, for cash. Without paying cash you could only get a 20% increase. That is pay to win. To revert back to my previous comment, would an ISK version of boosters help the issue? However, I don't see how it would be implemented effectively without making the AUR version better. Otherwise, there would be no need to support the development of the game via AUR. Will you be happy if CCP does a full SP reset ? and if not, why ? Obviously that will level the gap, but alot of people is against it. Why is that ? I can't say I would be happy to see all my hard earned SP disappear, but if it were to breathe new life into the game, personally, I would give it the thumbs up. I play the game for the game and the people, not for my investment of time.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 135	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:43:00 - [10] - Quote That fix is wrong. I bought Defiance. That was an investment of money, but I will break my fingers before I play it.