DUST Search - The formula to kill a game ;

Ferren Devarri wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

- Add RPG components to the aiming mechanics ( Check )

- Nerf every weapon that is popular in FPS games ( Check )

- Create a huge SP cap, so new players have no chance to enjoy the game ( check )

- Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check )

- Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check )

- Create a VIP game mode and restrict the majority of the community from it ( Check )

- Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check )

So far so good CCP, nearly there.

- Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check )
- Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check )
- Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check )

These lines are the rookie mistakes that has bit DUST in its ass, and will continue to do so with a half-assed game with little developer interest besides short term gains from those people so desperate for an 'edge' that they're willing to pour hundreds of dollars into a dead end product.

The rest are subjective evaluations, as you can have an RPG and skill system in any game, as long as it's implimented properly.

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Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2013.06.23 09:51:00 - [1] - Quote - Add RPG components to the aiming mechanics ( Check ) - Nerf every weapon that is popular in FPS games ( Check ) - Create a huge SP cap, so new players have no chance to enjoy the game ( check ) - Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check ) - Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check ) - Create a VIP game mode and restrict the majority of the community from it ( Check ) - Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check ) So far so good CCP, nearly there.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 131	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:00:00 - [2] - Quote - Non-constructive posts Added one for you.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:05:00 - [3] - Quote I need a dislike button...or the world's tiniest violin for you.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:07:00 - [4] - Quote Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: - Non-constructive posts Added one for you. That is a very constructive post, it shows what you should NOT do. I can add another one ; - Ban from the Forums everyone that says the truth ( Check )
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 64	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:07:00 - [5] - Quote Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: - Non-constructive posts Added one for you. Everything he listed has an implied obvious solution. Looks constructive to me.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 188	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:10:00 - [6] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: - Non-constructive posts Added one for you. That is a very constructive post, it shows what you should NOT do. I can add another one ; - Ban from the Forums everyone that says the truth ( Check ) No dude.. You will get banned for talking nonsense on this forum. Now take your bad attitude somewhere else please.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:12:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: - Non-constructive posts Added one for you. That is a very constructive post, it shows what you should NOT do. I can add another one ; - Ban from the Forums everyone that says the truth ( Check ) No dude.. You will get banned for talking nonsense on this forum. Now take your bad attitude somewhere else please. Nonsense ? and bad attitude ? Where ? .. I add a bonus one just for you ; - Let Fanboys ruin your community ( Check )
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 188	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:16:00 - [8] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: - Non-constructive posts Added one for you. That is a very constructive post, it shows what you should NOT do. I can add another one ; - Ban from the Forums everyone that says the truth ( Check ) No dude.. You will get banned for talking nonsense on this forum. Now take your bad attitude somewhere else please. Nonsense ? and bad attitude ? Where ? .. I add a bonus one just for you ; - Let Fanboys ruin your community ( Check ) Why do you get mad about other people liking the game? What-¦s going on here? Still drunk from last night?
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 132	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:16:00 - [9] - Quote I don't see any solutions. Just a list of things that shouldn't be done, that already have been. So CCP should; - Remove RPG components to the aiming mechanics - Unnerf every weapon that is popular in FPS games - Remove SP - Reverse Official Release - Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a lobby shooter - Create a VIP game mode andmake it free - Follow a Pay to use stuff sooner model in a FPS game How? Some I can agree with, but I don't see how posting a list without offering any solutions besides acting like Captain Hindsight is going to help.
Mortedeamor Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 113	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:16:00 - [10] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: - Non-constructive posts Added one for you. That is a very constructive post, it shows what you should NOT do. I can add another one ; - Ban from the Forums everyone that says the truth ( Check ) hey im not banned anymore...although now that i think on it if i go start commenting about tanking im sure ill be banned again

The Attorney General ZionTCD 103	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:32:00 - [11] - Quote Promise a revolutionary game, then deliver a subpar unoriginal lobby shooter. ( Check ) Continually tell your players that you want their feedback, then ignore it and use your own internal data. ( Check ) Ignore the players, make radical, bad changes, then after the players revolt, make press appearances discussing how you listen to the player base ( Check ) While your biggest supporters ask for info, just keep telling them "we are working on it" and "SoonGäó" (Check) Create promos hyping the connection between Eve and Dust, when most of the playerbase has never seen an orbital performed by a player as opposed to the warbarge. ( Check )
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 724	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:35:00 - [12] - Quote OP, you are just butthurt because CCP is making their game and not yours. Perhaps you were in early beta or something and think you have some say in how the game will develop... but all of your opinions are just as subjective as mine or anyone elses. Get over yourself. Like the game. Don't like the game. CCP is not the company that is going to make a pure FPS along the lines of your basement fantasies. Don't blame me. That's something that anyone should be able to see as this game is played within the Eve universe. That wasn't my idea. That wasn't your idea. We'll have to see if CCP can pull it off. That is their idea (as far as I can tell). Finally, whining and crying is no constructive. However, if you want to make petty lists and hope for the heavy duty trolling and complaining to appear after the fact -- knock yourself out.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 188	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:36:00 - [13] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Promise a revolutionary game, then deliver a subpar unoriginal lobby shooter. ( Check ) Continually tell your players that you want their feedback, then ignore it and use your own internal data. ( Check ) Ignore the players, make radical, bad changes, then after the players revolt, make press appearances discussing how you listen to the player base ( Check ) While your biggest supporters ask for info, just keep telling them "we are working on it" and "SoonGäó" (Check) Create promos hyping the connection between Eve and Dust, when most of the playerbase has never seen an orbital performed by a player as opposed to the warbarge. ( Check ) Are you still playing the game? Why are you here crying??
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:39:00 - [14] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: OP, you are just butthurt because CCP is making their game and not yours. Perhaps you were in early beta or something and think you have some say in how the game will develop... but all of your opinions are just as subjective as mine or anyone elses. Get over yourself. Like the game. Don't like the game. CCP is not the company that is going to make a pure FPS along the lines of your basement fantasies. Don't blame me. That's something that anyone should be able to see as this game is played within the Eve universe. That wasn't my idea. That wasn't your idea. We'll have to see if CCP can pull it off. That is their idea (as far as I can tell). Finally, whining and crying is not constructive. However, if you want to make petty lists and hope for the heavy duty trolling and complaining to appear after the fact -- knock yourself out. Really ...... You fanboys try to hard , sit back for a second, analyze the game, think about all the things that could make this game better... then read my post again.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 726	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:44:00 - [15] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Really ...... You fanboys try to hard , sit back for a second, analyze the game, think about all the things that could make this game better... then read my post again. Did you even read my post? I'm telling you -- it's not about what I think the game should be either. I'm aware of the issues. If you paid attention you'd see me mention problems or things that need fixing here and there as well when I'm not arguing against ****posters. However, you have to remember that other people will have different ideas about what they want in the game. Maybe there are tons of folks with a hardon for the RPG elements, the EVE integration, etc, etc. It's CCP's game and where their views cross the items on your list -- we'll you won't be getting it your way. Same goes for me. I, however, can deal with the fact that I am not making this game.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 188	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:46:00 - [16] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Crash Monster wrote: OP, you are just butthurt because CCP is making their game and not yours. Perhaps you were in early beta or something and think you have some say in how the game will develop... but all of your opinions are just as subjective as mine or anyone elses. Get over yourself. Like the game. Don't like the game. CCP is not the company that is going to make a pure FPS along the lines of your basement fantasies. Don't blame me. That's something that anyone should be able to see as this game is played within the Eve universe. That wasn't my idea. That wasn't your idea. We'll have to see if CCP can pull it off. That is their idea (as far as I can tell). Finally, whining and crying is not constructive. However, if you want to make petty lists and hope for the heavy duty trolling and complaining to appear after the fact -- knock yourself out. Really ...... You fanboys try to hard , sit back for a second, analyze the game, think about all the things that could make this game better... then read my post again. Sit back? I-¦ve bin playing/analyzing this game since early beta and I like what I see. And no.. We do not need to read your nonsense again. One time is more than enough.
Ferren Devarri ARES.inc 37	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:48:00 - [17] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: - Add RPG components to the aiming mechanics ( Check ) - Nerf every weapon that is popular in FPS games ( Check ) - Create a huge SP cap, so new players have no chance to enjoy the game ( check ) - Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check ) - Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check ) - Create a VIP game mode and restrict the majority of the community from it ( Check ) - Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check ) So far so good CCP, nearly there. - Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check ) - Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check ) - Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check ) These lines are the rookie mistakes that has bit DUST in its ass, and will continue to do so with a half-assed game with little developer interest besides short term gains from those people so desperate for an 'edge' that they're willing to pour hundreds of dollars into a dead end product. The rest are subjective evaluations, as you can have an RPG and skill system in any game, as long as it's implimented properly.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:49:00 - [18] - Quote Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ?
The Attorney General ZionTCD 104	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:50:00 - [19] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Are you still playing the game? Why are you here crying?? Play almost every day. Enjoy about 80% of it. Doesn't change the fact that CCP has completely molested several canines on developing this game. It also doesn't change the fact that their customer relations are atrocious, and it seems as whomever is in charge of the project has no clue how to get the team back on schedule, or even on theme. It does not change the fact that playing a 5 map lobby shooter is not anything like what CCP promised back in 2009, or 2011, or even 2012. Which is weird, because even they should have known last year that what we would have today is not in anyway what they were promising, but they kept right on talking. Even though I enjoy parts of the game, the fact remains that CCP has done a wonderful job of taking a big steaming dump on the potential of this game, and the eager fans that worked their asses off playing in the closed beta. Even those bright eyes in the open beta are mostly done with the game, not because the game is bad, but because CCP is just garbage as a dev. Having a ten year vision is fine. Taking ten years to get a 2 year project done is not showing commitment to your product, it is just being a sloppy dev house with poor upper management. The best part about it all is that they still manage to keep slaves like you happy, which is a curse for everyone who is rational, because with people like you running around trying to fluff them, they think they are doing a decent job. Fan boys kill games.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 188	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:50:00 - [20] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ? Stop hating little one and find yourself a new game to play. DUST514 is obviously not the right game for you.

Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:53:00 - [21] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ? Stop hating little one and find yourself a new game to play. DUST514 is obviously not the right game for you. In case you didn't notice, Dust 514 is not the right game for "alot" of people. Lets see how that Fanboy thing goes, when is about 1000 people left in the servers.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 133	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:53:00 - [22] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ? No. I'm still waiting to hear your 'solutions'. I too think the game is broken, but saying it's broken & suggesting ways to fix it are two completely different things.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 433	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:55:00 - [23] - Quote At least OP proves that he lacks knowledge about what certain bullets of his post actually do. Good job! (eg VIP mode) /c

Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:57:00 - [24] - Quote Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ? No. I'm still waiting to hear your 'solutions'. I too think the game is broken, but saying it's broken & suggesting ways to fix it are two completely different things. But i have done that ... DON'T follow the "Formula to kill a game"... Of course, maybe CCP is trying to kill the game, then, yes follow the Formula by all means.
Bigglesworth McQueen BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 133	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:58:00 - [25] - Quote Your formula has clearly been followed already. We are past the point of prevention. You are not helping.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 726	Posted - 2013.06.23 10:59:00 - [26] - Quote Ferren Devarri wrote: - Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check ) - Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check ) - Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check ) These lines are the rookie mistakes that has bit DUST in its ass, and will continue to do so with a half-assed game with little developer interest besides short term gains from those people so desperate for an 'edge' that they're willing to pour hundreds of dollars into a dead end product. The rest are subjective evaluations, as you can have an RPG and skill system in any game, as long as it's implimented properly. Hey, OP, look... someone who can actually make a decent post on the subject... though we can argue whether we agree with the items selected. - Most people feel that we don't have a P2W model, but it's something to keep an eye on. - The release has issues that need fixing, pretty much universally agreed. - At the moment we don't really have MMOFPS in the game.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 260	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:04:00 - [27] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Fine, no point arguing with brainwash fanboys, you right and i'm wrong, happy now ? Stop hating little one and find yourself a new game to play. DUST514 is obviously not the right game for you. In case you didn't notice, Dust 514 is not the right game for "alot" of people. Lets see how that Fanboy thing goes, when is about 1000 people left in the servers. I wonder what the "break point" is for player count? Is it when matchmaking means people play in endless lag fests? New players just get endlessly stomped? The majority of people are those told to play by EVE corporations? Zero is not the point were it all falls apart. Player numbers haven't got to 6,000 for a bit and if anything are edging closer to 5,000. So where between that zone of 5,000 to 1,000 does the fabric entirely break down?
Ferren Devarri ARES.inc 37	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:05:00 - [28] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Hey, OP, look... someone who can actually make a decent post on the subject... though we can argue whether we agree with the items selected. - Most people feel that we don't have a P2W model, but it's something to keep an eye on. - The release has issues that need fixing, pretty much universally agreed. - At the moment we don't really have MMOFPS in the game. CCP has a bad history of scam shops for those who care to look up $70 monocles on google and see what they come up with. The fact that they allow players to buy prototype-grade equipment that can cut out months or years of active play and passive gains is, in effect, pay-2-win. It's got the interesting side effect of being a diminishing return now that people are already in proto-gear, but it still gives payers an edge over non-payers.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:05:00 - [29] - Quote Ferren Devarri wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: - Add RPG components to the aiming mechanics ( Check ) - Nerf every weapon that is popular in FPS games ( Check ) - Create a huge SP cap, so new players have no chance to enjoy the game ( check ) - Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check ) - Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check ) - Create a VIP game mode and restrict the majority of the community from it ( Check ) - Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check ) So far so good CCP, nearly there. - Follow a Pay to Win model in a FPS game ( Check ) - Release a closed Beta as an Official Release ( Check ) - Create a Lobby Shooter and then call it a MMOFPS ( Check ) These lines are the rookie mistakes that has bit DUST in its ass, and will continue to do so with a half-assed game with little developer interest besides short term gains from those people so desperate for an 'edge' that they're willing to pour hundreds of dollars into a dead end product. The rest are subjective evaluations, as you can have an RPG and skill system in any game, as long as it's implimented properly. "Add RPG components to the aiming mechanics" I think you got that one wrong.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 117	Posted - 2013.06.23 11:08:00 - [30] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: "Add RPG components to the aiming mechanics" I think you got that one wrong. He is referring to the weird "turning speed limit" which unintentionally messes up small adjustments in aiming.



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