PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.

Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.

I could go on for hours about that, but that is the jest of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.

In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache?

PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.

Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.

I could go on for hours about that, but that is the jest of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.

And when you say "you" you really mean a Corp but right now the only person that gets the ISK is the CEO who can then distribute as he/she pleases.

Directors do have access to the ISK but 90% of the time the CEO has said you will be kicked from the Corp if the ISK is touched.
Or there is a dummy Corp that holds all the ISK like a bank.

PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.

Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.

I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.

PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.

Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.

I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.

You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter?

Okay, first, not trolling. I just want to hear from you guys about how you think DUST will fare against its competitors (most obvious being ps2). I know a lot of people have strong feelings, but try to be objective. Look at what makes DUST better and what makes other games better.

Hopefully we can come up with ideas and suggestions that would help DUST be (at least) on par with other FPS games.

The only thing i can think of if the freedom of customization,class selection and basic the RPG element of the game,if it wasnt for that i wouldnt be here.It's not a game of excitement but a game of plannng and spread sheets.

You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years.

It is being developed with a long view. Most other FPS just want you to play it for year, buy the new version for 60 bucks, have nothing carry over or matter, rinse and repeat.

Incorrect sir. The money you make in the real world allows you to feed your family, pay your bills and put a roof over your head. Without it, you would not be able to play dust. As far as the dying part, you need to lighten up. You are way too much of a Debbie Downer. Relax, enjoy life, shoot some red berries in the head on dust and enjoy every second of it whether its on Dust or some other game.

You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years.

Great thread, planetside has a great Core, dust's core is dust.

You cant build the empire state building on a swampland, or you get leaning tower of piza.

Dust is the leaning tower of piza

Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me.

Just curious, exactly what has any of us done in Dust that has actually mattered?

Just curious, exactly what has any of us done in Dust that has actually mattered?

My squad then lacked the support I had been giving them, and as it had been finely balanced at that point they lost the battle

It is being developed with a long view. Most other FPS just want you to play it for year, buy the new version for 60 bucks, have nothing carry over or matter, rinse and repeat.

In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache?

Planetside 2 is for balls of Marshmallow DUST 514 is for Balls of steel

PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.

Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.

I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.

FPS?

Dust can't aim... FPS pffff HAHAHAHA

I don't know this depth that Dust is suppose to have. I log on, I play a pub match and maybe a PC match and that's it. I don't notice a connection with EVE or other deeper creation from Dust.

CCP should find a way to get Chromosome or an earlier build's weapon and suit balance and better hit detection with Uprising's visual improvements. Uprising looks much better than Chromosomes, however, Chromosome had much better gun play even though not perfect.

I can't be absolutely sure but based on the very negative feedback about Uprising, Chromosome and earlier builds had much better weapon and suit balance, even with low quality visuals.

Sure what Martian Luther King jr , George Washington , Gandhi , Sun Tzu , Wilson Churchill , Rosa
Parks did didn't matter at all . Also money matters far more in "real life" than the " virtual world" if you think the "real world" doesn't matter than I feel sorry for you.


Anyway Dust does have more depth than other games but it doesn't seem to doing it any favors currently imo.

This is an entirely semantic argument and, in the game's current state, means absolutely nothing.

The game is a lobby shooter with a moderately deep perk systems with an insanely long grind for unlocks. Obfuscating that reality with a bunch of buzzwords designed to draw in those without much FPS experience doesn't change the fact that there isn't actually much of anything new happening here.

Frankly, if the PS4 version isn't, for all intents and purposes, Dust 514 2, then we might as well all delete the game now and call it a day.

Why does it matter if your stuff "carries over" if "your stuff" is just a bunch of unlocks that were artificially spread out with a ridiculous artificial grind? Who cares and why? It doesn't mean a damn thing.

All your post is really addressing is the distribution method, because in all other regards there is almost no difference between how Dust 514 works and how Battlefield, CoD, etc, works. They are all shallow lobby shooters with weapon and perk unlocks. Dust 514 just drags the process out and adds some arbitrary stepping stone perks in between the ones you start with, and the ones that you actually want.

PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.

Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.

I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.

doesnt matter how much depth the game has or how brilliant the concept is, if they cant perfect the fps mechanics the game will fail, and this game has the worst mechanics of any game known to man

Okay, first, not trolling. I just want to hear from you guys about how you think DUST will fare against its competitors (most obvious being ps2). I know a lot of people have strong feelings, but try to be objective. Look at what makes DUST better and what makes other games better.

Hopefully we can come up with ideas and suggestions that would help DUST be (at least) on par with other FPS games.

i whole heartedly agree. the only problem with chromosome was sharp shooter, and the lazer.

I just got The Last of Us, so ill take a good long break from DUST.

Who knows, if I do return DUST might be a game worth playin instead of something to pass time.

Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me.

Wow, you must looove tax season, lol. Living must be a blast for you. Perfect graphics and amazing gameplay.

MLK was from Mars?

Well can't speak for Shadowswipe but for me:
Tax Season means the wife is working so I get more time to game, and Living is pretty neat with amazing graphics. Its pretty hardcore though, with no Save/Resume, although I like how the branching storyline sometimes lets you go back and have a second crack at earlier objectives.


I just wish the developers would work more on the "Continue..." feature.

Edit: Also the MMO is pretty cool, and much like EVE, only one Shard (although I here rumors they've got others with different world rules but like to keep the communities completely isolated)

Dust has the Meta Game.

PS2 has the gun play.


It is really that simple. Not much else.

And when you say "you" you really mean a Corp but right now the only person that gets the ISK is the CEO who can then distribute as he/she pleases.

Directors do have access to the ISK but 90% of the time the CEO has said you will be kicked from the Corp if the ISK is touched.
Or there is a dummy Corp that holds all the ISK like a bank.

I like how you described the two games one is more twisted toward FPS gamers looking to kill time and buff stats wheras the other is aimed at giving a storyline other than "one time I single handedly held off an entire zerg rush I'm so 1337"

Graphic Comparison
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Planetside has many years of support with a progressive player.
Destiny has a progressive shooter with other elements.

Dust is not the only game to feature the progressive player anymore.

Planetside has many years of support with a progressive player.
Destiny has a progressive shooter with other elements.

Dust is not the only game to feature the progressive player anymore.

On a scale of 1-10, 5 being average

Smoothness/Controls = 2
Pace of Combat = 9
Match Variety = 3
Weapons = 7
Build Customization = 10

Overall = 8

The controls and aiming system are straight up bad. Everyone knows that.

The pace of combat is great. Unlike many FPS titles where a few bullets from an SMG mean death, there is plenty of time to react and fight back or run unless you get hit by something very nasty. Overall it's slightly slower than Halo PC (The original) and Reach, which IMO were the two best FPS ever in terms of combat and combat pacing.

Only two real match types. They were smart enough to make one of them a standard deathmatch, but they need to make adding a couple new modes a priority.

Even this early into the game the weapon line-up is much better than most FPS games. Some races (Everyone but Gallante) are getting seriously shafted on their racial weapons / vehicles but if you just ignore races it's still a great line up. The main downfall is that developers are catering to the demands of the AR toting masses and nerfing the holy hell out of anything that isn't a standard AR. If the mass driver, shotgun, etc. hadn't been nerfed so hard, or the AR wasn't so damn good in every scenario this category would be a 9.

10. This game has far better build customization than Planetside 2, Team Fortress 2, Gunz... or really any other FPS with customization I've ever tried. The only thing that could make it any better is weapon modifications. Like the ability to swap iron sights for a scope on a standard AR.

Overall, despite the weird controls the combat is the best I've seen in an FPS outside the Halo series. 8 in it's current form. Hopefully 10 after some more work.

Wow absolutly mind blown. You are sooo far from the truth im gagging right now.

I really think you must be related to someone devving the game and are playing some other build.

Its obvious you NEVER played any of the major shooters this gen on PS3 considering your comparing to halo, meaning you just recently bought a ps3.

I really hope ccp doesn't listen to these insane posts. But it looks like they are. Doomed.

BTW 31++5 is 6.1 at best so I have no idea where you got 8 out of those numbers on avg. Seriously do your own math.

Its not rocket science, just fix the game, duh

Then dust can compete

and the SP system is screwed up, and only attractive to eve players, and unattractive to new players.

Dust is a mediocre shooter at best. This new build has been trash IMO, chromosome was much better. Recently got The Last of Us and have been playing it online the past 2 days and wow... it's so much better than Dust. I feel the core mechanics in this game are fail, I hate SP system and I feel it doesn't mesh well with how I feel shooters should be. The combat isn't anything special, the graphics are pretty bad, and the sounds are terrible.

In The Last of Us the mechanics are awesome, amazing graphics, very good sound, the gameplay is more tactical and teamwork oriented than Dust, and it's more fun and satisfying to play.

Can't be bothered with this game until it gets significantly better.