DUST Search - DUST514 vs Other FPS

soulreaper73 wrote:

Shadowswipe wrote:

soulreaper73 wrote:

Shadowswipe wrote:

PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.

Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.

I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.

You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter?

You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years.

Incorrect sir. The money you make in the real world allows you to feed your family, pay your bills and put a roof over your head. Without it, you would not be able to play dust. As far as the dying part, you need to lighten up. You are way too much of a Debbie Downer. Relax, enjoy life, shoot some red berries in the head on dust and enjoy every second of it whether its on Dust or some other game.

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Brutus Va'Khan Freedom Runners 41	Posted - 2013.06.20 15:57:00 - [1] - Quote Okay, first, not trolling. I just want to hear from you guys about how you think DUST will fare against its competitors (most obvious being ps2). I know a lot of people have strong feelings, but try to be objective. Look at what makes DUST better and what makes other games better. Hopefully we can come up with ideas and suggestions that would help DUST be (at least) on par with other FPS games.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.06.20 15:58:00 - [2] - Quote FPS? Dust can't aim... FPS pffff HAHAHAHA
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2013.06.20 15:59:00 - [3] - Quote PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 317	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:01:00 - [4] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the jest of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. jest or gist? one means to joke
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:02:00 - [5] - Quote In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache?
PonyClause Rex TRAMADOL KNIGHTS 147	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:02:00 - [6] - Quote I wouldn't even no where to be begin no troll intended
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:05:00 - [7] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache? Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:07:00 - [8] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the jest of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. And when you say "you" you really mean a Corp but right now the only person that gets the ISK is the CEO who can then distribute as he/she pleases. Directors do have access to the ISK but 90% of the time the CEO has said you will be kicked from the Corp if the ISK is touched. Or there is a dummy Corp that holds all the ISK like a bank.
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:19:00 - [9] - Quote I don't know this depth that Dust is suppose to have. I log on, I play a pub match and maybe a PC match and that's it. I don't notice a connection with EVE or other deeper creation from Dust. CCP should find a way to get Chromosome or an earlier build's weapon and suit balance and better hit detection with Uprising's visual improvements. Uprising looks much better than Chromosomes, however, Chromosome had much better gun play even though not perfect. I can't be absolutely sure but based on the very negative feedback about Uprising, Chromosome and earlier builds had much better weapon and suit balance, even with low quality visuals.
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:21:00 - [10] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the jest of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. And when you say "you" you really mean a Corp but right now the only person that gets the ISK is the CEO who can then distribute as he/she pleases. Directors do have access to the ISK but 90% of the time the CEO has said you will be kicked from the Corp if the ISK is touched. Or there is a dummy Corp that holds all the ISK like a bank. Nope, YOU can make a corp and claim it since YOU made the corp. Or had a part in the claiming of it. I'm sorry you lost districts and we are making money from them now. A good corp pays tank drivers and those that require it. The corp members get the money indirectly as long as the corp continues to wage a war somewhere.

soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 53	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:33:00 - [11] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter?
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 439	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:43:00 - [12] - Quote this game really needs a 'deploy from corporation assets' for PC to deploy vehicles.
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 149	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:50:00 - [13] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. If we could get PS2's battle size, capture system, and maybe a little bit of gameplay, then this game would be the ****.
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:51:00 - [14] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter? You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years.
BARDAS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:52:00 - [15] - Quote Never played PS2. The only other FPS game I play currently is Counter Strike which in my opinion is loads better on the FPS part than Dust 514. That said I still really enjoy Dust 514. Perhaps it is because I am still grinding out my SP. I enjoy RPG games immensely as well and I'm addicted to just about anything that has them. Borderlands 1 & 2 for instance were really fun for a while as well. What I like about Dust is that if I get bored I can wander away like a roaming FPS vagabond and still come back and my character is stronger than when I left.
Evil-Stuffed-Animal Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 39	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:59:00 - [16] - Quote Brutus Va'Khan wrote: Okay, first, not trolling. I just want to hear from you guys about how you think DUST will fare against its competitors (most obvious being ps2). I know a lot of people have strong feelings, but try to be objective. Look at what makes DUST better and what makes other games better. Hopefully we can come up with ideas and suggestions that would help DUST be (at least) on par with other FPS games. Dropsuit and skill customization makes Dust superior to other games, but the bugs and other broken mechanics make you want to look elsewhere for an fps. So, Dust is its own downfall. However, Dust>PS2 in my opinion. Next-gen has some promising line ups that'll easily capture my attention
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:03:00 - [17] - Quote The only thing i can think of if the freedom of customization,class selection and basic the RPG element of the game,if it wasnt for that i wouldnt be here.It's not a game of excitement but a game of plannng and spread sheets.
Krythor Motrec Queen ind. 17	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:09:00 - [18] - Quote Graphic Comparison https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/946487_10201384992297885_1919300407_n.jpg
Brutus Va'Khan Freedom Runners 41	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:10:00 - [19] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: The only thing i can think of if the freedom of customization,class selection and basic the RPG element of the game,if it wasnt for that i wouldnt be here.It's not a game of excitement but a game of plannng and spread sheets. Sometimes I feel like DUST requires a little too much planning and spreadsheets, compared to the amount of excitement that comes from playing. A FPS should tend to a FPS audience. I do like the RPG elements and customization available.
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:12:00 - [20] - Quote crying about aiming = you can't aim

soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 54	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:29:00 - [21] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter? You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years. Incorrect sir. The money you make in the real world allows you to feed your family, pay your bills and put a roof over your head. Without it, you would not be able to play dust. As far as the dying part, you need to lighten up. You are way too much of a Debbie Downer. Relax, enjoy life, shoot some red berries in the head on dust and enjoy every second of it whether its on Dust or some other game.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 938	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:32:00 - [22] - Quote It is being developed with a long view. Most other FPS just want you to play it for year, buy the new version for 60 bucks, have nothing carry over or matter, rinse and repeat.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 117	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:36:00 - [23] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: It is being developed with a long view. Most other FPS just want you to play it for year, buy the new version for 60 bucks, have nothing carry over or matter, rinse and repeat. This is pretty much it. There aren't many other games that step outside of that pattern.
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:37:00 - [24] - Quote Dust has loads more potential than any other FPS out there and coming out. Other FPS might have smoother controls. From my experience, it is much easier to fix controls than it is to rework the base systems to allow for the potential that DUST 514 has. Other games have matches with over 100 in the fight. Dust currently keeps it small for various reasons. PC battles are kept small on purpose for now because even getting 16 people together from a FPS crowd on a regular everyday basis is hard. If that number went to even 32+ for each side, smaller corps would be completely strapped to fill those slots most days. Other games start big and implode. Like PS2's server merges. Battlefield 1 implodes, they make BF2, it implodes, the make BF3. All the while rehashing the same mechanics and forcing you to level up through the unlocks again and again. DUST starts small and plans to explode. Free expansions for ever. Never have to relearn skills, even if they overhaul the graphics system in 5 years. This list could get pages long, so I will stop here.
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 108	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:40:00 - [25] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Shadowswipe wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter? You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years. Incorrect sir. The money you make in the real world allows you to feed your family, pay your bills and put a roof over your head. Without it, you would not be able to play dust. As far as the dying part, you need to lighten up. You are way too much of a Debbie Downer. Relax, enjoy life, shoot some red berries in the head on dust and enjoy every second of it whether its on Dust or some other game. You started the downer saying that nothing matters in a game. Games provide escape from the real world which has saved lives in the real world. I could dig up the news posts, but not going to. Games do as much for people as having real money does.
Avinash Decker BetaMax. CRONOS. 47	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:44:00 - [26] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Shadowswipe wrote: PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself. Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it. I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter? You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years. Sure what Martian Luther King jr , George Washington , Gandhi , Sun Tzu , Wilson Churchill , Rosa Parks did didn't matter at all . Also money matters far more in "real life" than the " virtual world" if you think the "real world" doesn't matter than I feel sorry for you. Anyway Dust does have more depth than other games but it doesn't seem to doing it any favors currently imo.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 324	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:53:00 - [27] - Quote Your not going to get FPS players view on this since the hard core fps gamers left. What left is eve and casual fps players that enjoy the rpg element that dust brings. If they could add dice roll to this game, they would. Battlefield 1943. I recommend everyone play this. Simple. servers STILL UP. and PEOPLE STILL ON. FPS mechanics on the dot. Yet the game is simple. Unreal tournament 3. Simple. yes it's a strafe shooter, but fps mechanics nails it. look at the game modes it has.. now don't you wish dust had a node game mode? Dust is not complicated anymore then eve is. and eve is not that far complicated than watching paint dry. the issue with these games is that they try sooooo hard not to be games but WORK. And that is done intended! lol The EVE factor matters only if you are already invested in eve. If not, then its just a shooter, and PC matches are just corp matches. BTW bring back corp matches!
PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.21 21:11:00 - [28] - Quote Great thread, planetside has a great Core, dust's core is dust. You cant build the empire state building on a swampland, or you get leaning tower of piza. Dust is the leaning tower of piza
Avallo Kantor DUST University Ivy League 85	Posted - 2013.06.21 21:23:00 - [29] - Quote PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote: Great thread, planetside has a great Core, dust's core is dust. You cant build the empire state building on a swampland, or you get leaning tower of piza. Dust is the leaning tower of piza It's funny you should say that, because I don't necessarily consider the core of a game to be simply the mechanics by which certain game features work, but instead by the motivation for the process of the game, the underlying schema behind creation and development. In that sense DUST has an extremely good core because the developers are motivated by a very, very large scale dream, that will probably take a long time for them to develop into. Games such as Planetside 2 already have their core created and finished. Fighting on a rather large map, with a few copy/pasted installations on them for some samey-shooty fun. (note the below examples are taken form the perspective of childhood, which I'm sure everyone remembers.) I would instead of making the comparison you made, make this one, Planetside 2 is a rather large one story Chucky Cheese. It's fun to play in for a while (I enjoyed it when I was a kid), but it's not something you'll stay in forever. It's also really rather complete. They might swap out or improve some of the arcade games inside, add a new slide, or change the menu, but it's still a one story Chucky Cheese. DUST 514 is going to be Disney World. Right now only a few of the rides are finished, and not all the characters are walking around, but all the other areas are under construction, new rides are being made, and it's a place you don't want to really leave. It will keep growing, adding new attractions, new areas to explore, it'll add those cool roller coasters, and more. It's not done growing, and likely never will stop expanding. [Edit:] I should also quickly throw in that I quite enjoy the rides it has so far. Which for the purposes of this example is Thunder Mountain.
Berial Bosh D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 10	Posted - 2013.06.21 22:08:00 - [30] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache? Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me. Just curious, exactly what has any of us done in Dust that has actually mattered?



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