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Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:23:00 -
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Berial Bosh wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache? Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me. Just curious, exactly what has any of us done in Dust that has actually mattered?
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R F Gyro
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
376
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:44:00 -
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Berial Bosh wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache? Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me. Just curious, exactly what has any of us done in Dust that has actually mattered? Define "mattered".
I once had to leave a battle because one of my children was having a nightmare. My squad then lacked the support I had been giving them, and as it had been finely balanced at that point they lost the battle. I felt bad. Did it matter?
Did my child having a nightmare matter? He didn't remember anything about it in the morning.
I suspect it is a spectrum, with "my KDR might drop by 0.1" towards one end, and "there's a massive meteor heading straight for earth and no, Bruce Willis can't save us" towards the other. |
R F Gyro
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
376
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:46:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote: My squad then lacked the support I had been giving them, and as it had been finely balanced at that point they lost the battle Just to be clear, I have no idea if me dropping from the game was actually a significant contributor to the loss of the battle. I still felt like I had let my corp-mates down though.
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Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
154
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:00:00 -
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After having played Dust for over a year I have come to love and hate various aspects of the game. The fact that I feel strongly about it at all is something that is remarkable because I can play any number of games in similar genres from COD to Gran Turismo 5 and Armored Core and I still come back and play this game with more fervor and desire to succeed than any other. Dust combines the social aspects of some of my favorite games (Eve, COD, NFS the Run) and blends them into an enjoyable synergy of metagaming and blowing stuff up. Few other games will last as long as this one provided CCP continues their quest to build the perfect game. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
548
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:09:00 -
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TBH the core mechanics suck. THey need to be fixed before they bother adding additional features. However they are placating the masses by adding additional features rather than fix the core mechanics. As such it will be years before Dust becomes a truly viable FPS game (unless CCP gets the act together faster and fixes the core FPS mechanics). I enjoy the potential that Dust has.....that being said.....they still have a long way to go before it becomes an AAA shooter if they ever actually reach that point. |
Ech0 0ne
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:13:00 -
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Its not rocket science, just fix the game, duh
Then dust can compete
and the SP system is screwed up, and only attractive to eve players, and unattractive to new players. |
Brutus Va'Khan
Freedom Runners
47
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:04:00 -
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One thing I hear from a lot of people is the whole "I want my actions to matter." To me, at least in video games, I feel like I don't want them to. Sure I could conquer every single planet out there, but after its all mine, it just turns into back-breaking work defending it all. In a game like planetside, I can conquer a whole world, go eat lunch, and then grab my friends again for another run through and just have fun.
What im getting at is that I prefer gameplay over the whole bigger picture thing. And in DUST, I'm a merc. Why should I care about any bigger picture? I thought mercs just shot people in the face for money. Owning planets is silly. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1685
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:11:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:It is being developed with a long view. Most other FPS just want you to play it for year, buy the new version for 60 bucks, have nothing carry over or matter, rinse and repeat.
This is an entirely semantic argument and, in the game's current state, means absolutely nothing.
The game is a lobby shooter with a moderately deep perk systems with an insanely long grind for unlocks. Obfuscating that reality with a bunch of buzzwords designed to draw in those without much FPS experience doesn't change the fact that there isn't actually much of anything new happening here.
Frankly, if the PS4 version isn't, for all intents and purposes, Dust 514 2, then we might as well all delete the game now and call it a day.
Why does it matter if your stuff "carries over" if "your stuff" is just a bunch of unlocks that were artificially spread out with a ridiculous artificial grind? Who cares and why? It doesn't mean a damn thing.
All your post is really addressing is the distribution method, because in all other regards there is almost no difference between how Dust 514 works and how Battlefield, CoD, etc, works. They are all shallow lobby shooters with weapon and perk unlocks. Dust 514 just drags the process out and adds some arbitrary stepping stone perks in between the ones you start with, and the ones that you actually want. |
Zahle Undt
the tritan industries RISE of LEGION
229
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:37:00 -
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My belief hasn't changed, what Dust needs is the connection to Eve that we've been promised and we also need a player market. Those sort of things, along with the metagame, are what will make this game stand out from the crowd and make it worth playing while they try to get the gameplay aspect working better.
I think CCP is too scared to deliver on their promises now though because of Eve players who for some reason will get upset if they actually had to hire mercs to do things for them and because of those amongst us who will cry how it would be unfair if they couldn't get orbitals without an Eve pilot in orbit above the battle. |
Planetside2onPS4
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 08:31:00 -
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My concerns with the OP
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Faquira Bleuetta
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
13
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Posted - 2013.06.22 09:02:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache?
Planetside 2 is for balls of Marshmallow DUST 514 is for Balls of steel |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
60
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:04:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache? Planetside 2 is for balls of Marshmallow DUST 514 is for Balls of steel
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:08:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.
Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.
I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2.
You can hold a "Spot" in a "Star Map". |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
319
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:17:00 -
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No competition from Dust 514 whatsoever; the devs of these games get **** done fast, and right. Our devs still cant fix aiming after a year. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits
219
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:46:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:FPS?
Dust can't aim... FPS pffff HAHAHAHA
he's got a point there |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits
219
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Posted - 2013.06.22 10:49:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:I don't know this depth that Dust is suppose to have. I log on, I play a pub match and maybe a PC match and that's it. I don't notice a connection with EVE or other deeper creation from Dust.
CCP should find a way to get Chromosome or an earlier build's weapon and suit balance and better hit detection with Uprising's visual improvements. Uprising looks much better than Chromosomes, however, Chromosome had much better gun play even though not perfect.
I can't be absolutely sure but based on the very negative feedback about Uprising, Chromosome and earlier builds had much better weapon and suit balance, even with low quality visuals.
i whole heartedly agree. the only problem with chromosome was sharp shooter, and the lazer. |
SmileB4Death
Sugar Plum Fairies
120
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Posted - 2013.06.22 12:55:00 -
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Avinash Decker wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.
Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.
I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter? You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years. Sure what Martian Luther King jr , George Washington , Gandhi , Sun Tzu , Wilson Churchill , Rosa Parks did didn't matter at all . Also money matters far more in "real life" than the " virtual world" if you think the "real world" doesn't matter than I feel sorry for you. Anyway Dust does have more depth than other games but it doesn't seem to doing it any favors currently imo.
MLK was from Mars? |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:33:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Jin Robot wrote:It is being developed with a long view. Most other FPS just want you to play it for year, buy the new version for 60 bucks, have nothing carry over or matter, rinse and repeat. This is an entirely semantic argument and, in the game's current state, means absolutely nothing. The game is a lobby shooter with a moderately deep perk systems with an insanely long grind for unlocks. Obfuscating that reality with a bunch of buzzwords designed to draw in those without much FPS experience doesn't change the fact that there isn't actually much of anything new happening here. Frankly, if the PS4 version isn't, for all intents and purposes, Dust 514 2, then we might as well all delete the game now and call it a day. Why does it matter if your stuff "carries over" if "your stuff" is just a bunch of unlocks that were artificially spread out with a ridiculous artificial grind? Who cares and why? It doesn't mean a damn thing. All your post is really addressing is the distribution method, because in all other regards there is almost no difference between how Dust 514 works and how Battlefield, CoD, etc, works. They are all shallow lobby shooters with weapon and perk unlocks. Dust 514 just drags the process out and adds some arbitrary stepping stone perks in between the ones you start with, and the ones that you actually want.
^^ Pretty much what he said.
CoD has "loadouts", however, they just call them classes, perks and deliveries. |
Brutus Va'Khan
Freedom Runners
47
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:27:00 -
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I just got The Last of Us, so ill take a good long break from DUST.
Who knows, if I do return DUST might be a game worth playin instead of something to pass time. |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
42
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:46:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.
Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.
I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. doesnt matter how much depth the game has or how brilliant the concept is, if they cant perfect the fps mechanics the game will fail, and this game has the worst mechanics of any game known to man |
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Avallo Kantor
DUST University Ivy League
91
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Posted - 2013.06.22 22:04:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.
Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.
I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. doesnt matter how much depth the game has or how brilliant the concept is, if they cant perfect the fps mechanics the game will fail, and this game has the worst mechanics of any game known to man
It's clear you haven't played many games in that case. Or you are trying to give a massive exaggeration for the purpose of making a point.
This game does have a large number of bugs, but I can at least get through a match just fine. I've played games that have had much, much worse bugs.
There was a time in WoW when a zeppelin crossed over to the other continent and forgot to load the zepphlin, letting us all plummet to a rather comical death. There was a situation in PS2 in beta that would literally kill your modem, and you'd have to hard reset it to get it to work again. EVE had a patch that literally destroyed the boot.ini file of some users. Killing their machine. I've played games that gave fatal errors on start up, blue screens, and worse. I've played games where somebody "accidentally" permabanned the entire player population for a few hours. (it got fixed)
To claim this game has the worst mechanics of any game clearly shows you are rather new to the whole gaming experience. Trust me, there is FAR worse out there. |
Bobby Alikar
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 20:33:00 -
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Brutus Va'Khan wrote:Okay, first, not trolling. I just want to hear from you guys about how you think DUST will fare against its competitors (most obvious being ps2). I know a lot of people have strong feelings, but try to be objective. Look at what makes DUST better and what makes other games better.
Hopefully we can come up with ideas and suggestions that would help DUST be (at least) on par with other FPS games.
Great thread, alot of fanbois here. Anyhow Dust needs to take note and learn from other games, in the form of developing a good game. Successfull games are that because they all do "something" good.
Planetside 2= huge battles COD= Intimate cqc BF4= replication of real world war
They all do something great. At this point dust really doesnt do anything great, so lets not fool ourselves, PC is not a "Something" great that sells dust. CCP needs to do something to bring those Fhuk yeah moments back that its currently lacking.
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Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
224
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Posted - 2013.06.23 23:10:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Chinduko wrote:I don't know this depth that Dust is suppose to have. I log on, I play a pub match and maybe a PC match and that's it. I don't notice a connection with EVE or other deeper creation from Dust.
CCP should find a way to get Chromosome or an earlier build's weapon and suit balance and better hit detection with Uprising's visual improvements. Uprising looks much better than Chromosomes, however, Chromosome had much better gun play even though not perfect.
I can't be absolutely sure but based on the very negative feedback about Uprising, Chromosome and earlier builds had much better weapon and suit balance, even with low quality visuals. i whole heartedly agree. the only problem with chromosome was sharp shooter, and the lazer.
I enjoyed sharpshooter but I can see how it may have had a negative effect. Unfortunately, the only gun I used that actually needed sharpshooter had a range nerf on its already horrible range. I couldn't hit much with the HMG in chromosome without sharpshooter. The HMG was actually able to suppress with sharpshooter but I did enjoy it on the laser too. It was the only way to truly keep AR users in check, unless they got too close and the laser was as useless as it is now. |
ALAINAgg
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.06.24 03:52:00 -
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I think Planetside poses the largest threat to dust considering its alot like mag, and we all know mag clans dominate dust.
So something has tomget gud or its dust. |
GinnyHub
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.24 19:18:00 -
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Brutus Va'Khan wrote:I just got The Last of Us, so ill take a good long break from DUST.
Who knows, if I do return DUST might be a game worth playin instead of something to pass time.
Seems to be the theme here lately, taking a break at least till 1.2.
Im gunna play for another week or two.
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Asher Night
187. League of Infamy
138
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:27:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache? Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me.
Wow, you must looove tax season, lol. Living must be a blast for you. Perfect graphics and amazing gameplay. |
Dao Ferret
BetaMax. CRONOS.
100
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:35:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache? Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me. Wow, you must looove tax season, lol. Living must be a blast for you. Perfect graphics and amazing gameplay.
Well can't speak for Shadowswipe but for me: Tax Season means the wife is working so I get more time to game, and Living is pretty neat with amazing graphics. Its pretty hardcore though, with no Save/Resume, although I like how the branching storyline sometimes lets you go back and have a second crack at earlier objectives.
I just wish the developers would work more on the "Continue..." feature.
Edit: Also the MMO is pretty cool, and much like EVE, only one Shard (although I here rumors they've got others with different world rules but like to keep the communities completely isolated) |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc
547
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:40:00 -
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Dust has the Meta Game.
PS2 has the gun play.
It is really that simple. Not much else. |
Avinash Decker
BetaMax. CRONOS.
49
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:48:00 -
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SmileB4Death wrote:Avinash Decker wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:PS2 doesn't have the depth Dust currently has. In PS2 if you take the entire game world as your faction, you could go eat for 2 hours and the whole damn planet will be flipped to a different faction. It is a giant waste of time as nothing you do matters for longer than 30 minutes. You can't claim anything for yourself.
Dust on the other hand, you can claim a planet and hold it for weeks and GET money from it.
I could go on for hours about that, but that is the gist of it. Dust has more depth than Planetside 2. You do realize that nothing we do in this game really matters? The money you are referring to is fictional so at the end of the day, does it really matter? You do realize, nothing in the "real world" matters either. The money we make doesn't stop us from dying in 100-150 years. Sure what Martian Luther King jr , George Washington , Gandhi , Sun Tzu , Wilson Churchill , Rosa Parks did didn't matter at all . Also money matters far more in "real life" than the " virtual world" if you think the "real world" doesn't matter than I feel sorry for you. Anyway Dust does have more depth than other games but it doesn't seem to doing it any favors currently imo. MLK was from Mars?
You never know.
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Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
121
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:49:00 -
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Dao Ferret wrote:Asher Night wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:In other words, Planetside 2 is for fun, Dust 514 is for headache? Fun is a subjective term. To me fun is having my actions matter. PS2 is a headache for me. Wow, you must looove tax season, lol. Living must be a blast for you. Perfect graphics and amazing gameplay. Well can't speak for Shadowswipe but for me: Tax Season means the wife is working so I get more time to game, and Living is pretty neat with amazing graphics. Its pretty hardcore though, with no Save/Resume, although I like how the branching storyline sometimes lets you go back and have a second crack at earlier objectives. I just wish the developers would work more on the "Continue..." feature. Edit: Also the MMO is pretty cool, and much like EVE, only one Shard (although I here rumors they've got others with different world rules but like to keep the communities completely isolated) Living is a blast for me. I love my wife. Have a kid on the way.
As for tax season, I am a bit cynical and think taxes do nothing, so thus is not fun as my actions don't matter. I wish I could feel the usefulness of taxes, but the United States is trillions of dollars in debt. Once I see that go away, I just might find taxes fun...
As for the graphics, I recently got a nice graphics engine upgrade. The world looks much sharper now. Glasses for the win! I had no idea I was not seeing in HD either. Getting old sometimes sucks. |
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