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Lady Sovreign Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:40:00 - [1] - Quote What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already?
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 405	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:42:00 - [2] - Quote Well the sp got reset after closed beta. The six months of beta Sp and isk I have is from open beta, which you could have joined and played but you didn't. So yeah, there ya go. 6 months from now my alt is gonna cry about all the people at launch have more sp. For fun ofcourse.
Lady Sovreign Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:43:00 - [3] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Well the sp got reset after closed beta. All the Sp and isk I have is from open beta, which you couldnhave joined and played but you didn't. So yeah, there ya go. Open or closed Beta is still Beta, it's not the official release is it? Ergo, you're points should have been reset before release no?
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 405	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:45:00 - [4] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Well the sp got reset after closed beta. All the Sp and isk I have is from open beta, which you couldnhave joined and played but you didn't. So yeah, there ya go. Open or closed Beta is still Beta, it's not the official release is it? Ergo, you're points should have been reset before release no? Open betas traditionally let you keep your stuff. This is probably good to know for future reference.
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo 127	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:47:00 - [5] - Quote They let us keep our SP to give new players even more inventive to buy boosters.
Skipper Jones ZionTCD 146	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:47:00 - [6] - Quote Correction when the game released to the public ( open beta) Everyone's character got reset. So anybody could've started playing at open beta
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 407	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:49:00 - [7] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Well the sp got reset after closed beta. The six months of beta Sp and isk I have is from open beta, which you could have joined and played but you didn't. So yeah, there ya go. 6 months from now my alt is gonna cry about all the people at launch have more sp. For fun ofcourse. I have decided to make it appear as though I have multiple personalities and my alts represent them. There will be an amusing public disagreement.
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves RUST415 210	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:50:00 - [8] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? This again facepalm. Beta testers were already wiped. Open beta was pretty much full release. Dont blame low sp on your failures.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 312	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:51:00 - [9] - Quote Why? We were working for our stuff as soon as it was available, you could have been too. Should you get reset when I create an alt in six months and cry about you?
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 407	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:52:00 - [10] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? This again facepalm. Beta testers were already wiped. Open beta was pretty much full release. Dont blame low sp on your failures. Now now, be nice. She didn't know.

Peoples Champs Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:53:00 - [11] - Quote HTFU Welcome to new eden Get gud Adapt or die
hooc order Deep Space Republic 422	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:53:00 - [12] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? There was a reset when beta opened up so it is only since january. 6 months not a year. note: i realize everyone and their sister have probably already posted the same thing i did.....but i like to pile on.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1187	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:53:00 - [13] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? All assets were reset with open Jan 22, 2013 Dust was released May 14, 2013 That's far from years worth of anything, further maps have been added and removed as well as changed and many pieces of gear, including dropsuits and weapons, have been fundamentally altered (just check out the feedback forums or ask a closed beta vet about bumbfire swarm launchers for killing infantry ). So while I in no way deny that there was some advantage gained through playing open beta it is neither as extreme nor as pervasive as your OP seems to suggest. If I had to guess the reason behind it, I would say it's likely due to it being open beta so anyone could choose to participate, combined with a hat tip to all the beta vets that did indeed spend months or more testing in support of Dust 514 with a final nod to dust being a long term game in which a handful of weeks worth of progression won't be drastically signifigant 3-5 years in (or really even 1 year in for the most part). 0.02 ISK Cross
Lady Sovreign Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:54:00 - [14] - Quote This again. If something seems to keep coming to you're attention, you either read the forums way to much and/or a lot of people share my frustration and the easy mode start some of you got. Come on, you can't deny it's a joke. How many corps play poxy PC? How many of them are beta vets? How many people have left because they have been farmed by someone who can easily kill you because SP trumps skill almost every time.
Lady Sovreign Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:55:00 - [15] - Quote Welcome to New Eden, right. The Eve Online realm that you can't really do anything with?
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1049	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:57:00 - [16] - Quote Post with your main.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1187	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:00:00 - [17] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: This again. If something seems to keep coming to you're attention, you either read the forums way to much and/or a lot of people share my frustration and the easy mode start some of you got. Come on, you can't deny it's a joke. How many corps play poxy PC? How many of them are beta vets? How many people have left because they have been farmed by someone who can easily kill you because SP trumps skill almost every time. SP doesn't trump skill, I'm far from the best FPS player. Before Dust the last FPS I played seriously was Unreal 2004 so I have years of rust on me and wasn't the best of the best even before the rust. I run support logi, fits geared for healing and supply not killing. Having stated those facts I'll state another, during one of the promo events CCP seeded characters into the game with proto or better gear and essentially max skills. I was able to use free fits go up against groups of 3-5 of these players and come out heady consistently. If it was a group of 5 "ahead" would usually mean that I died with one of them left. This wasn't while using a vehicle of any kind nor was it while running with a squad. (yep, solo support logi did this). So not only does skill trump SP but the level of skill required to do it isn't even top 100, in fact it doesn't even require a 3.0 KDR. 0.02 ISK Cross
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 407	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:07:00 - [18] - Quote Things are gonna be turbulent for noobs, but I hear matchmaking is coming and merc battles are a great alternative to PC endgame. I have my own complaints, which are the bugs that are lingering since launch.
Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:20:00 - [19] - Quote My eve toon has 20mil sp, there's people in eve that have 150mil sp, I should go on the eve forums and ask for a reset cause I'm a loser
BMSTUBBYxx Algintal Core Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:24:00 - [20] - Quote Truth of the matter is all the beta vets would have stopped playing this game if they took our stuff again. And this game would have failed faster than it is now.

Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:27:00 - [21] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Well the sp got reset after closed beta. All the Sp and isk I have is from open beta, which you couldnhave joined and played but you didn't. So yeah, there ya go. Open or closed Beta is still Beta, it's not the official release is it? Ergo, you're points should have been reset before release no? No, they didn't reset the SP upon release.
Lady Sovreign Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:27:00 - [22] - Quote BMSTUBBYxx wrote: Truth of the matter is all the beta vets would have stopped playing this game if they took our stuff again. And this game would have failed faster than it is now. Probably the most honest answer so far. To Vin Vicious, I can't comment on you being a loser but you do sound like an idiot. Months of open beta testing before the official launch is not quite the same as ten years of being live. Either way, I don't suppose CCP will give an answer so the rest is just supposition
JonnyAugust Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 261	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:47:00 - [23] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Well the sp got reset after closed beta. All the Sp and isk I have is from open beta, which you couldnhave joined and played but you didn't. So yeah, there ya go. Open or closed Beta is still Beta, it's not the official release is it? Ergo, you're points should have been reset before release no? This game is still a beta, they gave the turd a new name. its the same game except they call it full release now.
Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:52:00 - [24] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: BMSTUBBYxx wrote: Truth of the matter is all the beta vets would have stopped playing this game if they took our stuff again. And this game would have failed faster than it is now. Probably the most honest answer so far. To Vin Vicious, I can't comment on you being a loser but you do sound like an idiot. Months of open beta testing before the official launch is not quite the same as ten years of being live. Either way, I don't suppose CCP will give an answer so the rest is just supposition Oh that's cute, dont get upset because you didn't start the game during open beta. ima sum this thread for you from a reader perceptive, "I didn't start playing when the vets did, and that's not fair" this games been live since the beginning of open beta you moron, saying "open beta" is a companies way of saying, "don't review this until we feel its ready to be reviewed" Was the game downloadable by anyone during open beta? YEP that's LIVE. Good day sir! /thread
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 412	Posted - 2013.06.20 00:11:00 - [25] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: My eve toon has 20mil sp, there's people in eve that have 150mil sp, I should go on the eve forums and ask for a reset cause I'm a loser You should. What's the worst thing that could happen? You might get 1k likes for the best troll of the month.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 551	Posted - 2013.06.20 00:59:00 - [26] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Lady Sovreign wrote: BMSTUBBYxx wrote: Truth of the matter is all the beta vets would have stopped playing this game if they took our stuff again. And this game would have failed faster than it is now. Probably the most honest answer so far. To Vin Vicious, I can't comment on you being a loser but you do sound like an idiot. Months of open beta testing before the official launch is not quite the same as ten years of being live. Either way, I don't suppose CCP will give an answer so the rest is just supposition Oh that's cute, dont get upset because you didn't start the game during open beta. ima sum this thread for you from a reader perceptive, "I didn't start playing when the vets did, and that's not fair" this games been live since the beginning of open beta you moron, saying "open beta" is a companies way of saying, "don't review this until we feel its ready to be reviewed" Was the game downloadable by anyone during open beta? YEP that's LIVE. Good day sir! /thread I was with you until "/thread", which is almost as bad "tl;dr". I'm going to continue to add to the conversation even though you feel nothing more needs to said. With all due respect I don't give a **. Words like "BETA" and "Commercial Release" have been thrown around these forums more than ** a monkey whorehouse even though they're just as meaningless as "all natural" or "clinically proven". Doesn't matter what they called it, the game is free to play and it was available to every PS3 owner with an internet connection. Everybody had the same chance to start at the same time on a level field. Not my fault if someone didn't start when I did. And I'm getting really, really sick of people whining about SP being the only reason I won/you died. When I die that's nobody's fault by my own. I can't blame SP because odds are I have more than they do. But you know what? It's not as important as you think it is. I've always bought boosters and I'm currently "between jobs" so I can play much more than most. But I've always put a little SP in to everything. I've been playing this game since around August/September of last year. I unlocked officer weapons for the very first time two weeks before open BETA. Trained 2 levels of sharpshooter proficiency the next week (that was back when that skill was...kind of a big deal). My Minmitar Assault is the first proto suit I've ever unlocked, ever. I had proto AR's and proto forges, every other weapon was only advanced. Sure I had my core skills maxed but do you really think my extra 20 shields made me a god? I only had to miss twice and you'd have the upper hand. My point is I've had both a ton of SP and very few skills maxed out so I can tell you that once you get past a few basic skills that should take at the most a few weeks to a month you're lying to yourself if you think SP was the only reason you died. Was I the best player in the game back then? Nope. And even with all my proto gear there are several players that are leaps and bounds above me skill wise. But even my 'inferior' advanced suits and non proficiency skill having ass any of those better players that ran up on me thinking I'd be an easy kill either wound up dead or looking for a place to hide and recharge. My point is, aside from brand new players in militia fits vs. veterans with full proto gear, the SP gap can always be overcome with smart gameplay, quick thinking, teamwork and the ability to run very, very fast.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 289	Posted - 2013.06.20 01:07:00 - [27] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: I was with you until "/thread", which is almost as bad "tl;dr". I'm going to continue to add to the conversation even though you feel nothing more needs to said. With all due respect I don't give a ****. Confirming that you cannot [/thread] yourself. It's bad Internets. It's like declaring that you're cool or authentic. Did you know that I'm cool? Well I am. I'm pretty cool. You might not have known that I was cool unless I told you, so I'm telling you now: I'm cool. I'm authentic, too.
Taurion Bruni Nightingale Logistics Pty Ltd 55	Posted - 2013.06.20 01:09:00 - [28] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? I would be in the same situation if I would finally start Eve today, except that they would be ten years ahead, and I would never be able to compete on their level, but that is the fact of live on an online RPG
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 289	Posted - 2013.06.20 01:26:00 - [29] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: I would be in the same situation if I would finally start Eve today, except that they would be ten years ahead, and I would never be able to compete on their level Except yes you can compete on their level. There is a maximum amount of SP you can field at any given time in EVE, and there's a maximum amount of SP you can field at any given time in DUST. After you hit that point, you are equal. It seems people's problem is that they want it take less time for them to hit that point than it took for anyone who started playing before them. For DUST it takes 6.5 months to hit that point without boosters if you're hitting your SP caps. With boosters, it takes 4.4 months. Is that really so ridiculously long to reach max efficiency for an online game? (No offense to Taurio Bruni intended, you just hit a point in your post that sent me off on a tangent.)
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 75	Posted - 2013.06.20 03:50:00 - [30] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? I would be in the same situation if I would finally start Eve today, except that they would be ten years ahead, and I would never be able to compete on their level, but that is the fact of live on an online RPG Except EVE is actually an open world MMO, and like every other open world MMO it has content for new starters that lets them develop apart from the vets then graduate up the chain at their own pace. In Dust there is no other content other than that next match filled with proto-stompers. Imagine if all of WoW's content was endgame raid zones and you just got spawned in there at L1 and told to HTFU. I'm guessing they wouldn't have hit 11mil subs. Anyone who relates Dust to an actual MMO, let alone EVE is a raging spastic.

2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 141	Posted - 2013.06.20 04:03:00 - [31] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: This again. If something seems to keep coming to you're attention, you either read the forums way to much and/or a lot of people share my frustration and the easy mode start some of you got. Come on, you can't deny it's a joke. How many corps play poxy PC? How many of them are beta vets? How many people have left because they have been farmed by someone who can easily kill you because SP trumps skill almost every time. You're describing a situation which applies to almost any new player at any point of joining the game. An open beta wipe would not have solved this; the only difference would be is that the same argument would be made by players joining 4-5 months further down the track instead of today. Therefore I do deny it is a joke. I will also assert that in my corp, we have plenty of "new" players (not "beta vets") playing PC matches. I would also suggest that SP does not trump skill every time. Sure, it obviously gives an advantage, but having just created a new character myself, I've found that it takes a surprisingly small amount of SP to remain competitive. I've maintained a higher than 2.0 K/D with a 1 mil character (this takes ~1 week to get to). Provided that you specialise in a role (which the system is geared towards forcing you to do), and play to the strengths of your role to mitigate its limitations, you can be very competitive. If you cannot do this, please don't come and whine about it on the forums - As you can see this topic has been hashed and rehashed a number of times, so addressing it again at the whims of someone who hasn't bothered to explore the search function can be very frustrating.
Aliakin Koreck Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 05:22:00 - [32] - Quote Its just like new eden, only without security levels. HTFU Welcome to New Eden
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2014	Posted - 2013.06.20 05:24:00 - [33] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: My eve toon has 20mil sp, there's people in eve that have 150mil sp, I should go on the eve forums and ask for a reset cause I'm a loser +1
Mikael Murray Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:05:00 - [34] - Quote op is the name of the game here

CCP Mintchip C C P C C P Alliance 348	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:12:00 - [35] - Quote There was a full reset when Open Beta opened, and DUST 514 was momved to Tranquility, which connected it directly to EVE Online. :D CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F 719	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:17:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: There was a full reset when Open Beta opened, and DUST 514 was momved to Tranquility, which connected it directly to EVE Online. :D CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep momved?
Kiro Justice the tritan industries RISE of LEGION 118	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:45:00 - [37] - Quote Well, you could've been grinding with us in Open Beta, but you didn't. You had the option, why would we have to lose our hard earned SP because you decided not to. If it was the Closed Beta SP I'd understand, but you could have been doing Open Beta, you just chose not to.
PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.21 21:08:00 - [38] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? Never answered by ccp. Ill keep bumping
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2040	Posted - 2013.06.21 21:13:00 - [39] - Quote PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote: Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? Never answered by ccp. Ill keep bumping I've run Open Beta in several games now that let you keep whatever you earn. Open Beta means that anyone can join and play, just like if it was released. If you don't play during that period, that's all on you.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 700	Posted - 2013.06.21 21:30:00 - [40] - Quote PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote: Never answered by ccp. Ill keep bumping It was answered... you were just too much in a rush bumping everything on page 3 or so onto the front page to notice... idiot.

Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals 257	Posted - 2013.06.21 21:34:00 - [41] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? well we all lost our SP when open beta came out including our ISK so when open beta came we were pretty much on the same page as all the new players except we know which skills to go for and such. so technically we didnt keep any of our SP. and what you see now is pretty much months of SP gain after our SP reset to open beta
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 477	Posted - 2013.06.21 22:20:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: There was a full reset when Open Beta opened, and DUST 514 was momved to Tranquility, which connected it directly to EVE Online. :D CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep Sorry, not true. Timeline: Final reset and migration to Tranquility (still in closed beta): about January 6th (+/- 1 day can't remember) Open Beta (anyone with PS3 can join): January 22nd Commercial release (no effect on anything...): May 14th
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 700	Posted - 2013.06.21 22:59:00 - [43] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Sorry, not true. Timeline: Final reset and migration to Tranquility (still in closed beta): about January 6th (+/- 1 day can't remember) Open Beta (anyone with PS3 can join): January 22nd Commercial release (no effect on anything...): May 14th It really wouldn't kill you to be a little forgiving would it... I know, I know, slight error in time there.
R F Gyro Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 376	Posted - 2013.06.21 23:00:00 - [44] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? Older players have more stuff than newer players. That's just the way Dust is designed. There have been a number of events during that time the game has been available: closed beta, Chromosome release, TQ migration, open beta, Uprising release, launch. The one that had the least impact out of all of those was launch. All potential players have been in exactly the same boat since the end of closed beta, which was when we were all reset.
Planetside2onPS4 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.22 08:17:00 - [45] - Quote My issues with the OP explained in under 2 min.
Guilbert 515 United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2013.06.22 08:29:00 - [46] - Quote Dont worry vets already lost most of the ISK on "testing" PCQ for you guys and spend ISK in billions. ;)
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 479	Posted - 2013.06.22 15:05:00 - [47] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Sorry, not true. Timeline: Final reset and migration to Tranquility (still in closed beta): about January 6th (+/- 1 day can't remember) Open Beta (anyone with PS3 can join): January 22nd Commercial release (no effect on anything...): May 14th It really wouldn't kill you to be a little forgiving would it... I know, I know, slight error in time there. Sorry if the very brief post written in short time appeared harsh and going to details. Details were important this time as the very subject of OP is: "Do the beta veterans have SP advantage over others" The answer is: "yes, a minimal advantage of two weeks" Minimal in the way that in the first month or so the personal experience (weps, gungame, maps etc) was the bigger advantage in pwning the juniors.
Ray Poe Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:46:00 - [48] - Quote I have a kdr 5:1 because I run protogear and have been in for nearly a year. I been smokin noobs for months straight.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 207	Posted - 2013.06.22 19:04:00 - [49] - Quote My first thought was that they were selling boosters for real money, via Aurum, and if they just deleted all our SP it would have been real annoying. I would have given up at that point as I really wouldn't want to have to grind to make up all that SP. The first time was fun but having to do it again would have been a grind.
Greg FREESEr Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 04:06:00 - [50] - Quote 2 examples of what the OP is talking about Issues Solutions Thx

Kiro Justice The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 127	Posted - 2013.06.23 04:39:00 - [51] - Quote Again, they shoulda joined during OB. They had the option, if they didn't, that's no ones fault but theirs.
Davey Newcome Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 06:26:00 - [52] - Quote Ray Poe wrote: I have a kdr 5:1 because I run protogear and have been in for nearly a year. I been smokin noobs for months straight. So whats up point? Your killing the game? Wow
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 66	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:21:00 - [53] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? Good question. What is the reason? Who knows..... Maybe as incentive for the open Beta testers, who provided tons of feedback (most of which seems to have disappeared into the black hole of uselessness)? Maybe because CCP wanted to buck the trend? Maybe because they were afraid people would quit instead of grinding again? I have all my SP and ISK from the open Beta. I would have been fine with a reset personally. And yes, I can attest that knowing the maps, techniques and weapons is a huge advantage. I'm not god's gift to FPS games but I do fine with my low SP alt's.....
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 768	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:42:00 - [54] - Quote These type of threads rarely plague the EVE forums, from what I gather. But personally, I think they're going to pop up at least once a month for DUST. And the specialisation argument, whilst it does initially appear foolproof, I feel won't cut it in the long run. For EVE, aggressive specialisation ensures you can take on the best in that field in a matter of months. In DUST? Since we're always in close proximity with other players, since we're always involved in PvP with other players, balancing items is even more crucial than in EVE. Which means it'll take years to find that balance, especially since new gear and weapons and game mechanics are being added all the time. And in that time, there'll be one 'specialisation' that outshines the rest, ourperforms the rest. Now, I suppose it's the AR. That assumption is based on my games in PC, in the Academy with an alt, with my corp in our local server, in every other server (except Europe, haven't bothered with Europe yet :P) and in mercenary battles. Now, I don't know if there's one class in EVE which can outperform every other specialisation the majority of the time. Is there a set of skills that allows one to be a better miner, trader, hauler, PvPer, explorer, ship builder than anyone else? The very diversity of those examples makes the question rhetorical. In DUST, all specialisations are centered around PvP FPS combat. As such, trying to piggyback EVE and borrow its successful system of SP which capitalises on specialisation may not be successful for DUST. Currently, we see many people taking a very pessimistic mood towards the game. Is this because of the SP system? I won't presume to know the minds of everyone else, but I daresay it's a factor. Should we change it? I've made possible suggestions, but they were rebuked. Perhaps I was too extreme, but I don't see anyone else suggesting their own modifications to the SP system. Perhaps this is because the current system is okay? I have my reasons to believe it isn't, but there you go. I personally support the OP because it highlights one of the flaws in the current system.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 334	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:51:00 - [55] - Quote CCP I have to ask, of how many your developers are women? And can you tell them "Hi" for me?
Shrapnels The Order 1886 129	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:53:00 - [56] - Quote your also forgetting the PS+ promo they had for 2 weeks shortly after the Jan 22nd. I really cant remember the exact dates. I do know Dust saw a spike in player numbers which soon fell 3days later. real reason is Money. Players stopped buying $20 Merc Packs or spending cash altogether on Dust514. if you refunded everything on May 6th/14th all the Beta players most likely Not buy any of the 3 New Merc Packs or buy any AUR at all. They would be sitting on massive amounts of AUR and would have no intent to spend more cash for such promotions as the 3xSP week(think this was last week of April), the OMEGA 30 day Passive boosters, the 4,200 weekly booster or 21k 30day booster either.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 732	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:53:00 - [57] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: CCP I have to ask, of how many your developers are women? And can you tell them "Hi" for me? How many restraining orders do you have on you?
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 334	Posted - 2013.06.23 13:06:00 - [58] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Surt gods end wrote: CCP I have to ask, of how many your developers are women? And can you tell them "Hi" for me? How many restraining orders do you have on you? Hey! A restraining order is just cupids way of saying "Your not a quitter" (and it's best now to move on) ** what?
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 70	Posted - 2013.06.23 13:26:00 - [59] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Surt gods end wrote: CCP I have to ask, of how many your developers are women? And can you tell them "Hi" for me? How many restraining orders do you have on you? Hey! A restraining order is just cupids way of saying "Your not a quitter" (and it's best now to move on) ** what? LOL! It's Surt.... it's his thing. I always get a good laugh out of his posts.... he's not a quitter, that's for sure. Even when his posts are probably seen by mostly males (even the 'female' characters I'm sure are mostly guys), he keeps on truckin'.... +1 to you, sir. I like your style!
BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS 1NC 75	Posted - 2013.06.23 13:35:00 - [60] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? +1 dead straight why! ****,ed if i know

J3f3r20n Gh057 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 12	Posted - 2013.06.23 14:39:00 - [61] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: What was the reasoning behind letting the beta players keep all of the skill points and wealth from a years worth of "testing"? Normally upon release the beta players start over, just like everyone else. Instead you've given a group of players a massive head start. Surely knowing the weapons and maps was advantage enough already? Dust will aways be a beta game.....It wa Sony's fault to push Dust to a Official Release, and it's they are guilty for thos bad reviews....
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 84	Posted - 2013.06.23 14:42:00 - [62] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Well the sp got reset after closed beta. All the Sp and isk I have is from open beta, which you couldnhave joined and played but you didn't. So yeah, there ya go. Open or closed Beta is still Beta, it's not the official release is it? Ergo, you're points should have been reset before release no? Good that you tried but this time you need to use "your"
Mikey The Chub D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 7	Posted - 2013.06.23 14:50:00 - [63] - Quote Lady Sovreign wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Well the sp got reset after closed beta. All the Sp and isk I have is from open beta, which you couldnhave joined and played but you didn't. So yeah, there ya go. Open or closed Beta is still Beta, it's not the official release is it? Ergo, you're points should have been reset before release no? No because unlike closed beta everyone had the chance to play the open beta and acquire skill points. So I have to disagree.
Vitoka79 from SVK ZionTCD 48	Posted - 2013.06.23 16:32:00 - [64] - Quote BMSTUBBYxx wrote: Truth of the matter is all the beta vets would have stopped playing this game if they took our stuff again. And this game would have failed faster than it is now. Sorry,but thats horsecrap.I played the closed beta to help the game,not to get some extra sp and items.But i still think that we deserved it and i want my Beta Veteran Dropsuit delivered ASAP
Kenny Robertson Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:35:00 - [65] - Quote Ray Poe wrote: I have a kdr 5:1 because I run protogear and have been in for nearly a year. I been smokin noobs for months straight. Seems to be status quo around here. No security levels for players with 15mil and 500,000 sp. Major issue still not addressed. How long can it last like this?


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