The fact that you're blaming AR players for these changes is completely stupid. I could realistically flip that around and blame the no-skill vehicle players (heavies included, because they're walking tanks amirite?) caused the ARs to constantly get nerfed. I'm pretty sure the ARs have been changed more than any other weapons in the game, but it's clearly the fault of the AR players because they can't adapt?

Tell me, how many ARs do you see on the kill feed compared to everything else. It's the only serviceable weapon in the game.

Now don't get me wrong, there are some good FPS players out there that learned the character building aspects and stats since the majority of FPS these days go hand in hand with RPG. But there's that bad side of that player base that's in the Cult of Duty, spoiled by instant gratification through an arcade shooter that complain about anything and everything about this game or any game that isn't enough like CoD. At the same time, there's some serious neckbeards that want CCP to cater to them because of the EVE connection. You can't just sit there and blame one player base when this game is bringing both of them together. Each side has something good to offer just as much as their negative side will be the ruination of Dust if CCP appeals to them completely.

Judging by how you refer to pilots no skilled, I'm wondering what side you're in in your respective community....

I think you're seriously overestimating the impact of COD on most people's perceptions on what an FPS should be. There's a reason COD is a successful franchise; not necessarily because it's innovative but because it's consistent. I know that me, like many other FPS player look for consistency when playing FPS games. This has nothing to do with COD, just the fact that it is a desirable trait that many of us look for. The stupidest thing people do here is think that they're better because they're not some 'COD casual' and that everyone who doesn't want some convoluted mess of numbers and contingencies is looking to dumb down the game and make it like COD. All the FPS crowd ever wanted was some sort of consistently enjoyable gameplay. That combined with the lauded EVE metagame would make for an extremely fun and innovative FPS experience. The reason I blame the EVE players is from the previous builds where they wanted everything to be modeled after EVE, but in the form of an FPS. The convoluted skill trees, SP progression, grinding, etc. Even with a consistent and fun FPS experience, these kinds of things turn away new players and force them to forever be behind people who started before them, which is not at all in the spirit of an FPS game. The greater problem arose when the game could not deliver a consistent and fun FPS experience and new players wouldn't even want to jump through all the hopes to enter into a competent stage in the game. From my point of view, the metagame will develop on its own, but it's completely up to the game developer to create a fun and meaningful environment for that metagame to be carried out. In the end I guess most of the blame falls to CCP for being dogshit fps developers.

Your argument is a logical fallacy
Correlation does not imply causation

Not anymore because some whiny little brat couldn't respect someone else's play style and cried on the forums until that heavy got neutered. Back in the day, that description that said heavies could take focused fire meant they took focused fire. But those days are gone since CCP wanted to appeal to the lowest common denominator...

They might as well just go the extra mile and make the game turn based.

Final Fantasy 514?

You're missing the point, it's not either side's fault. It's CCP's issue because even to this day, I can't tell what they hell kind of FPS this game is supposed to be. They've gone from strafe and track to twitch, back to strafe, full twitch, and now we're in the middle of the road and both sides aren't happy.

I was just using CoD as an example of what's wrong with this game because you decided to, like everyone else blame EVE players like they got the devs by the balls. If they wanted this to be some EVE only thing, why the hell even make Dust for console and F2P? And in case if you didn't know, if it wasn't for Microsoft wanting the game to run on their servers, Dust 514 would've been on Xbox.

In the end I guess most of the blame falls to CCP for being dogshit fps developers.

Other then stating the obvious, it is incredibly rude to say the only people who should have a say are the people paying.

I've been playing FPS since Doom 95 and regularly play Quake 2 arena, try again. My jimmies remain unrustled.

I hate to break it to you but FPS games have moved on since then, something I think a lot of the EVE players havent realized
Its a damn shame they dont follow their own words when they tell people to adapt or die

All depends on what you play, if you want to keep up the whole eyes shut fingers in your ears the good old days were better no matter what anyone says then be my guest

No, this game needs to be on console if it's going to be F2P. I'd rather play against skilled players instead of hackers and aim-bots.

All the balancing for this game done around the terribad players in ambushes when the important parts of the game are PC with the elite players.

Before I go on, I must say that this is not an anti-AR thread because some of the best players in the game are AR guys; that being said, most of the terribad players are AR guys who QQ because they can't kill a tank, a heavy, a sniper, get shotgunned in the back, knifed, blown up by MD's, etc. Then you have the actual good AR players who rarely QQ on the forums because they understand their fit has inherent weaknesses against a weapon designed to work in very certain ways.

In Chromosome, mass drivers were pretty balanced. Yeah, you could get 25:0 in ashlands if you got in a high spot, but on flat ground, not so much. Then AR scrubs (i'm talking nooblets, not true AR specialists who are good at what they do) QQ on the forums about it and it gets nerfed into the ground. This same story goes for just about everything else such as draw range which affects rails, snipers, and forges, and the heavy's in many ways, lasers (**** up close but great at a distance...too bad nobody realized that). Et cetera....


CCP, please stop getting your ideas of balance from noobs who suck at what they do in ambushes and look at the good players fighting good players. If you did that, I'm pretty sure balance would be a lot better.

1 proto suit next to a militia one is only a couple slots difference right?
But when you add complex modules on it, paired with proto weapons, the gap between all militia and all proto is huge.

Hmmm, if matchmaking was a top priority, we wouldn't be having these balancing issues....

....All the FPS crowd ever wanted was some sort of consistently enjoyable gameplay. That combined with the lauded EVE metagame would make for an extremely fun and innovative FPS experience. The reason I blame the EVE players is from the previous builds where they wanted everything to be modeled after EVE, but in the form of an FPS. The convoluted skill trees, SP progression, grinding, etc. Even with a consistent and fun FPS experience, these kinds of things turn away new players and force them to forever be behind people who started before them, which is not at all in the spirit of an FPS game. The greater problem arose when the game could not deliver a consistent and fun FPS experience and new players wouldn't even want to jump through all the hopes to enter into a competent stage in the game. From my point of view, the metagame will develop on its own, but it's completely up to the game developer to create a fun and meaningful environment for that metagame to be carried out.....

You're missing the point, it's not either side's fault. It's CCP's issue because even to this day, I can't tell what they hell kind of FPS this game is supposed to be. They've gone from strafe and track to twitch, back to strafe, full twitch, and now we're in the middle of the road and both sides aren't happy.

I was just using CoD as an example of what's wrong with this game because you decided to, like everyone else blame EVE players like they got the devs by the balls. If they wanted this to be some EVE only thing, why the hell even make Dust for console and F2P? And in case if you didn't know, if it wasn't for Microsoft wanting the game to run on their servers, Dust 514 would've been on Xbox.

*cough* Uncharted *cough*

Though I do think they are some of the best games ever made. Just linear as all hell. In regards to this game I like it and continue to support it regardless. Too many people complaining over a game. This isn't life or death. If it bothers you guys go *gasp* outside and catch some rays.

The funny thing is the gap between milita and proto isn't much on alot of anti-infantry gear.

The funny thing is the gap between milita and proto isn't much on alot of anti-infantry gear.

*cough* Uncharted *cough*

Though I do think they are some of the best games ever made. Just linear as all hell. In regards to this game I like it and continue to support it regardless. Too many people complaining over a game. This isn't life or death. If it bothers you guys go *gasp* outside and catch some rays.

Seriously, everything was so much more fun when combat was fast paced and everyone had tons of HP. Scouts were speed demons that could dance circles around heavies, flanking had more of an impact, and a heavy was a goddamned heavy. What happened to that Dust 514? I want to play it again instead of this watered down mess...