Funny thing is that It became even wider with the strafe nerf and the introduction of Caldari Logistics and their racial bonus.

Now the gap in suits matters because the ability to move and aim doesn't.

They might as well just go the extra mile and make the game turn based.

You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell.

No one gets shredded going toe to toe with heavies...

Ladies and gentlemen I present to you an angry EVE player that has not accepted his inability to point and shoot and speeds FPS players are used to

Are you seriously bitching about the playstation exclusivity? Also this game has little meta aspects as of now.

The fact that you're blaming AR players for these changes is completely stupid. I could realistically flip that around and blame the no-skill vehicle players (heavies included, because they're walking tanks amirite?) caused the ARs to constantly get nerfed. I'm pretty sure the ARs have been changed more than any other weapons in the game, but it's clearly the fault of the AR players because they can't adapt?

I think you're seriously overestimating the impact of COD on most people's perceptions on what an FPS should be. There's a reason COD is a successful franchise; not necessarily because it's innovative but because it's consistent. I know that me, like many other FPS player look for consistency when playing FPS games. This has nothing to do with COD, just the fact that it is a desirable trait that many of us look for. The stupidest thing people do here is think that they're better because they're not some 'COD casual' and that everyone who doesn't want some convoluted mess of numbers and contingencies is looking to dumb down the game and make it like COD. All the FPS crowd ever wanted was some sort of consistently enjoyable gameplay. That combined with the lauded EVE metagame would make for an extremely fun and innovative FPS experience. The reason I blame the EVE players is from the previous builds where they wanted everything to be modeled after EVE, but in the form of an FPS. The convoluted skill trees, SP progression, grinding, etc. Even with a consistent and fun FPS experience, these kinds of things turn away new players and force them to forever be behind people who started before them, which is not at all in the spirit of an FPS game. The greater problem arose when the game could not deliver a consistent and fun FPS experience and new players wouldn't even want to jump through all the hopes to enter into a competent stage in the game. From my point of view, the metagame will develop on its own, but it's completely up to the game developer to create a fun and meaningful environment for that metagame to be carried out. In the end I guess most of the blame falls to CCP for being dogshit fps developers.

Final Fantasy 514?

I hate to break it to you but FPS games have moved on since then, something I think a lot of the EVE players havent realized
Its a damn shame they dont follow their own words when they tell people to adapt or die

All depends on what you play, if you want to keep up the whole eyes shut fingers in your ears the good old days were better no matter what anyone says then be my guest

*cough* Uncharted *cough*

Though I do think they are some of the best games ever made. Just linear as all hell. In regards to this game I like it and continue to support it regardless. Too many people complaining over a game. This isn't life or death. If it bothers you guys go *gasp* outside and catch some rays.

Oh and to the ppl who think the mass driver was balanced in the last build ROFL....your hilarious. Yes its balanced that you can 2 shot an advanced heavy with splash dmg only.....and 1 shot them if you hit them directly...yes thats a balanced weapon. Watching tiel in imperfects playing with the MD while laughing at its OPdness was fun but made me question ppl who thought the weapon was balanced. He could clear an entire enemy team in the bowl with a single magazine from his mass driver. (i watched him to it to...2 shots in and he started only getting double....triple....and quadruple kills with his last few shots.

So let me guess.......the Tac rifle was OP in this build but the mass driver in the last build wasnt right?

So 2 shotting with AOE adv heavies who ran tanking fits is reasonable to you? Heck Tiel 1 shot militia fits with the AOE only. If you ran a MD and couldnt do this then you obviously built it incorrectly. Mass drivers needed 1 of 2 things to happen. It either needed it mag size reduced or it needed its AOE reduced. MAG size was not changed and AOE was reduced to what 3 meters ish? I still dont understand how mass driver can have problems hitting within 3 meters of their target. Our mass driver users in imperfects have no problems with the changes.....in fact every one I have talked to noted that they like the changes because before the mass driver did such large AOE you really didnt have to be good to hit ppl with it. I am sorry if you disagree with this but the fact remains. Just like the laser was OP in the last build (which CCP has now overnerfed )

Um yea ......the way you are talking proves that you have no idea what my lvl of skill is in this game. When I am saying something was OP you can almost guarantee it was OP because I took my time in studying that weapon. MD needed a change was it perhaps changed too much honestly that I dont know....but the AOE is where it should be.

I agree the changes CCP made in uprising was huge with all the range changes.....which honestly is why the TAC and other longer range weapons were used more. If they actually balanced the laser rifle properly you would have seen some of the nooby tac users complaining about the OP laser rifle roflstomping them. Also the TAC was ok in CQC but truthfully the reg AR definitely beat out the TAC in CQC...but I dont bother with the AR anymore. I just use the scrambler and laugh at the ppl who said the imperial scrambler is not good. OHKs and 0 recoil with massive dmg FTW!

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).