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Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:14:00 -
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All the balancing for this game done around the terribad players in ambushes when the important parts of the game are PC with the elite players.
Before I go on, I must say that this is not an anti-AR thread because some of the best players in the game are AR guys; that being said, most of the terribad players are AR guys who QQ because they can't kill a tank, a heavy, a sniper, get shotgunned in the back, knifed, blown up by MD's, etc. Then you have the actual good AR players who rarely QQ on the forums because they understand their fit has inherent weaknesses against a weapon designed to work in very certain ways.
In Chromosome, mass drivers were pretty balanced. Yeah, you could get 25:0 in ashlands if you got in a high spot, but on flat ground, not so much. Then AR scrubs (i'm talking nooblets, not true AR specialists who are good at what they do) QQ on the forums about it and it gets nerfed into the ground. This same story goes for just about everything else such as draw range which affects rails, snipers, and forges, and the heavy's in many ways, lasers (**** up close but great at a distance...too bad nobody realized that). Et cetera....
CCP, please stop getting your ideas of balance from noobs who suck at what they do in ambushes and look at the good players fighting good players. If you did that, I'm pretty sure balance would be a lot better. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5136
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:16:00 -
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The funny thing is the gap between milita and proto isn't much on alot of anti-infantry gear. |
Delta 749
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
312
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:20:00 -
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Implying it was the AR scrubs QQing and not the EvE players who are just horrible no matter what they use |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1572
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:23:00 -
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Blueberries are incredibly stupid. From the map when I was respawning, I saw one of our objectives get hacked while 3 blueberries were sitting around it. They didn't make any effort to stop the hack. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
465
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:23:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Implying it was the AR scrubs QQing and not the EvE players who are just horrible no matter what they use
Look, if it wasn't the AR playerbase doing the vast majority of the QQing, then why isnt the AR nerfed into the ground, too? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2243
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:27:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The funny thing is the gap between milita and proto isn't much on alot of anti-infantry gear.
you're right...to a point.
1 proto suit next to a militia one is only a couple slots difference right?
But when you add complex modules on it, paired with proto weapons, the gap between all militia and all proto is huge.
But in response to the OP, CCP seems to have balanced the game based on public games data. Since the majority of players only pubstomp, I guess they're priority.
The competitive players are the minority. Sort of like heavies only having 1 suit to choose from. We're a minority, so who cares. |
Delta 749
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
312
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:28:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Implying it was the AR scrubs QQing and not the EvE players who are just horrible no matter what they use Look, if it wasn't the AR playerbase doing the vast majority of the QQing, then why isnt the AR nerfed into the ground, too?
Your argument is a logical fallacy Correlation does not imply causation |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
3
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:29:00 -
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The most "important" players, if you could call anyone that, are those actually spending money on the game. 1337 or not isn't even factored into the situation. Dust's main revenue is from DLC micro-transactions, that's what finances more content. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
295
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:33:00 -
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Range was probably easier to change than adding more cover.
generic solutions seem to be the key to keeping bad players happy.
someone posted buff weak weapons. i support this. adding to a game will always trump making it less of a game. |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
109
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:01:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Implying it was the AR scrubs QQing and not the EvE players who are just horrible no matter what they use Look, if it wasn't the AR playerbase doing the vast majority of the QQing, then why isnt the AR nerfed into the ground, too?
Because the AR is supposed to be the most versatile weapon, not the best at any aspect but good at everything. Most of the QQing is coming from EVE players with little to no prior FPS experience. |
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
25
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:05:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Blueberries are incredibly stupid. From the map when I was respawning, I saw one of our objectives get hacked while 3 blueberries were sitting around it. They didn't make any effort to stop the hack. Same, I did this today with a advanced shotgun lol. they just watched me kill them and even looked at me... |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1624
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:11:00 -
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Hmmm, if matchmaking was a top priority, we wouldn't be having these balancing issues.... |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
257
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:20:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Blueberries are incredibly stupid. From the map when I was respawning, I saw one of our objectives get hacked while 3 blueberries were sitting around it. They didn't make any effort to stop the hack.
Because this game doesn't reward stopping hacks. You get a better payout for letting someone hack it, waiting until it changes sides and hacking it all over again.
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
285
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:26:00 -
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The most important thing to look at in terms of real balancing is what imbalances the high level players exploit vs other high level players.
Everything else is superfluous data. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
286
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The funny thing is the gap between milita and proto isn't much on alot of anti-infantry gear.
Funny thing is that It became even wider with the strafe nerf and the introduction of Caldari Logistics and their racial bonus.
Now the gap in suits matters because the ability to move and aim doesn't.
They might as well just go the extra mile and make the game turn based. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1626
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:37:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The funny thing is the gap between milita and proto isn't much on alot of anti-infantry gear. Funny thing is that It became even wider with the strafe nerf and the introduction of Caldari Logistics and their racial bonus. Now the gap in suits matters because the ability to move and aim doesn't. They might as well just go the extra mile and make the game turn based. Seriously, everything was so much more fun when combat was fast paced and everyone had tons of HP. Scouts were speed demons that could dance circles around heavies, flanking had more of an impact, and a heavy was a goddamned heavy. What happened to that Dust 514? I want to play it again instead of this watered down mess... |
McFurious
BetaMax. CRONOS.
101
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:45:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:In Chromosome, mass drivers were pretty balanced. Yeah, you could get 25:0 in ashlands if you got in a high spot, but on flat ground, not so much. Then AR scrubs (i'm talking nooblets, not true AR specialists who are good at what they do) QQ on the forums about it and it gets nerfed into the ground.
Every time I hear someone say the Mass Driver was OP my question to them is, "Did you use it?" and, big surprise, the answer is a big fat, "No." They got killed by it so they assumed it's easy mode. As if AR's aren't the easiest dam weapon in the game.
However, according to CCP, the decision came about because so many people in their internal test games were using mass drivers. So they decided to nerf it. I'm burnt out thinking about how bad that is. |
lllIIIlI IIIlIl
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:46:00 -
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You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1626
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:56:00 -
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lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. I'm calling bull **** on this. Most of the nerf threads come from people that don't take the time to learn the metagaming aspects of the game, get shedded trying to go toe-to-toe with heavies, engage scouts in CQC, and try to kill tanks with ARs and cry on the forums when things go sour. There's this stupid double standard that EVE players are ruining this game but to be honest, it's these cryhard FPSers with their super 1337 skills that think a rifle should be the end all be all. CCP CoDdles them and with every patch this game gets watered down a little more and Dust 514 winds up getting closer and closer to just another generic twitch arcade FPS with a shade of future on it. At this rate, CCP might as well bring in Ben Chichoski as a consultant just to speed the process up.
Oh and FYI, people tend to forget that the FPS genre started on the goddamned PC. But I guess you're so busy bending over backwards to Activision and EA, you can't see through their gouch. |
Ignatius Crumwald
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
566
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Posted - 2013.06.14 02:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. I'm calling bull **** on this. Most of the nerf threads come from people that don't take the time to learn the metagaming aspects of the game, get shedded trying to go toe-to-toe with heavies, engage scouts in CQC, and try to kill tanks with ARs and cry on the forums when things go sour. There's this stupid double standard that EVE players are ruining this game but to be honest, it's these cryhard FPSers with their super 1337 skills that think a rifle should be the end all be all. CCP CoDdles them and with every patch this game gets watered down a little more and Dust 514 winds up getting closer and closer to just another generic twitch arcade FPS with a shade of future on it. At this rate, CCP might as well bring in Ben Chichoski as a consultant just to speed the process up. Oh and FYI, people tend to forget that the FPS genre started on the goddamned PC. But I guess you're so busy bending over backwards to Activision and EA, you can't see through their gouch.
No one gets shredded going toe to toe with heavies... |
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Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:00:00 -
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dday3six wrote:The most "important" players, if you could call anyone that, are those actually spending money on the game. 1337 or not isn't even factored into the situation. Dust's main revenue is from DLC micro-transactions, that's what finances more content. Other then stating the obvious, it is incredibly rude to say the only people who should have a say are the people paying. |
Delta 749
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
315
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:00:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. I'm calling bull **** on this. Most of the nerf threads come from people that don't take the time to learn the metagaming aspects of the game, get shedded trying to go toe-to-toe with heavies, engage scouts in CQC, and try to kill tanks with ARs and cry on the forums when things go sour. There's this stupid double standard that EVE players are ruining this game but to be honest, it's these cryhard FPSers with their super 1337 skills that think a rifle should be the end all be all. CCP CoDdles them and with every patch this game gets watered down a little more and Dust 514 winds up getting closer and closer to just another generic twitch arcade FPS with a shade of future on it. At this rate, CCP might as well bring in Ben Chichoski as a consultant just to speed the process up. Oh and FYI, people tend to forget that the FPS genre started on the goddamned PC. But I guess you're so busy bending over backwards to Activision and EA, you can't see through their gouch.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you an angry EVE player that has not accepted his inability to point and shoot and speeds FPS players are used to |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1626
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:01:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Cosgar wrote:lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. I'm calling bull **** on this. Most of the nerf threads come from people that don't take the time to learn the metagaming aspects of the game, get shedded trying to go toe-to-toe with heavies, engage scouts in CQC, and try to kill tanks with ARs and cry on the forums when things go sour. There's this stupid double standard that EVE players are ruining this game but to be honest, it's these cryhard FPSers with their super 1337 skills that think a rifle should be the end all be all. CCP CoDdles them and with every patch this game gets watered down a little more and Dust 514 winds up getting closer and closer to just another generic twitch arcade FPS with a shade of future on it. At this rate, CCP might as well bring in Ben Chichoski as a consultant just to speed the process up. Oh and FYI, people tend to forget that the FPS genre started on the goddamned PC. But I guess you're so busy bending over backwards to Activision and EA, you can't see through their gouch. No one gets shredded going toe to toe with heavies... Not anymore because some whiny little brat couldn't respect someone else's play style and cried on the forums until that heavy got neutered. Back in the day, that description that said heavies could take focused fire meant they took focused fire. But those days are gone since CCP wanted to appeal to the lowest common denominator... |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:02:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. I'm calling bull **** on this. Most of the nerf threads come from people that don't take the time to learn the metagaming aspects of the game, get shedded trying to go toe-to-toe with heavies, engage scouts in CQC, and try to kill tanks with ARs and cry on the forums when things go sour. There's this stupid double standard that EVE players are ruining this game but to be honest, it's these cryhard FPSers with their super 1337 skills that think a rifle should be the end all be all. CCP CoDdles them and with every patch this game gets watered down a little more and Dust 514 winds up getting closer and closer to just another generic twitch arcade FPS with a shade of future on it. At this rate, CCP might as well bring in Ben Chichoski as a consultant just to speed the process up. Oh and FYI, people tend to forget that the FPS genre started on the goddamned PC. But I guess you're so busy bending over backwards to Activision and EA, you can't see through their gouch. Ladies and gentlemen I present to you an angry EVE player that has not accepted his inability to point and shoot and speeds FPS players are used to Cause no one in Eve has FPS experience right? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1626
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:03:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. I'm calling bull **** on this. Most of the nerf threads come from people that don't take the time to learn the metagaming aspects of the game, get shedded trying to go toe-to-toe with heavies, engage scouts in CQC, and try to kill tanks with ARs and cry on the forums when things go sour. There's this stupid double standard that EVE players are ruining this game but to be honest, it's these cryhard FPSers with their super 1337 skills that think a rifle should be the end all be all. CCP CoDdles them and with every patch this game gets watered down a little more and Dust 514 winds up getting closer and closer to just another generic twitch arcade FPS with a shade of future on it. At this rate, CCP might as well bring in Ben Chichoski as a consultant just to speed the process up. Oh and FYI, people tend to forget that the FPS genre started on the goddamned PC. But I guess you're so busy bending over backwards to Activision and EA, you can't see through their gouch. Ladies and gentlemen I present to you an angry EVE player that has not accepted his inability to point and shoot and speeds FPS players are used to I've been playing FPS since Doom 95 and regularly play Quake 2 arena, try again. My jimmies remain unrustled. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
369
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:04:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Implying it was the AR scrubs QQing and not the EvE players who are just horrible no matter what they use Look, if it wasn't the AR playerbase doing the vast majority of the QQing, then why isnt the AR nerfed into the ground, too? Your argument is a logical fallacy Correlation does not imply causation
Nor does it exclude it. He asked an "if then" question, and you didn't answer it. If you have reason to doubt his assertion, he seemed wide open for it. |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:05:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. I'm calling bull **** on this. Most of the nerf threads come from people that don't take the time to learn the metagaming aspects of the game, get shedded trying to go toe-to-toe with heavies, engage scouts in CQC, and try to kill tanks with ARs and cry on the forums when things go sour. There's this stupid double standard that EVE players are ruining this game but to be honest, it's these cryhard FPSers with their super 1337 skills that think a rifle should be the end all be all. CCP CoDdles them and with every patch this game gets watered down a little more and Dust 514 winds up getting closer and closer to just another generic twitch arcade FPS with a shade of future on it. At this rate, CCP might as well bring in Ben Chichoski as a consultant just to speed the process up. Oh and FYI, people tend to forget that the FPS genre started on the goddamned PC. But I guess you're so busy bending over backwards to Activision and EA, you can't see through their gouch. Are you seriously bitching about the playstation exclusivity? Also this game has little meta aspects as of now. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
210
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:07:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The funny thing is the gap between milita and proto isn't much on alot of anti-infantry gear. I know the gap between MLT heavy suit and the Pr[url]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqSaijKVYHXpC0wzVPifD5tqPmCPOV4yt91qLleSJ3JSPhw0zwJrjhAVwdvA[/url]oto Amarr Heavy Frame is...well its more like this |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1626
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:07:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Are you seriously bitching about the playstation exclusivity? Also this game has little meta aspects as of now. No, this game needs to be on console if it's going to be F2P. I'd rather play against skilled players instead of hackers and aim-bots. |
lllIIIlI IIIlIl
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2013.06.14 03:12:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:lllIIIlI IIIlIl wrote:You mean EVE players. Most are in fact indistinguishable from bad players, but there are subtle differences. For one bad players generally know they're bad while EVE players have their heads too far up CCP's ass to tell. I'm calling bull **** on this. Most of the nerf threads come from people that don't take the time to learn the metagaming aspects of the game, get shedded trying to go toe-to-toe with heavies, engage scouts in CQC, and try to kill tanks with ARs and cry on the forums when things go sour. There's this stupid double standard that EVE players are ruining this game but to be honest, it's these cryhard FPSers with their super 1337 skills that think a rifle should be the end all be all. CCP CoDdles them and with every patch this game gets watered down a little more and Dust 514 winds up getting closer and closer to just another generic twitch arcade FPS with a shade of future on it. At this rate, CCP might as well bring in Ben Chichoski as a consultant just to speed the process up. Oh and FYI, people tend to forget that the FPS genre started on the goddamned PC. But I guess you're so busy bending over backwards to Activision and EA, you can't see through their gouch. The fact that you're blaming AR players for these changes is completely stupid. I could realistically flip that around and blame the no-skill vehicle players (heavies included, because they're walking tanks amirite?) caused the ARs to constantly get nerfed. I'm pretty sure the ARs have been changed more than any other weapons in the game, but it's clearly the fault of the AR players because they can't adapt? |
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