It seems to me that dispersion isn't the issue, but rather there is no increase in dispersion as you hold down the trigger. So a 3 second burst is just as accurate as a spray and pray, leading to the problems you described earlier. I think if you line up a head shot and burst fire then you deserve 4-5 consecutive head shots and the person should be dead to rights, but laying some fire into someone's chest while you make your way up to the head shooting the whole way is flawed IMO. Not sure if this is what you meant but thought I'd make he distinction.

AR's have lots of recoil .. more than any other weapon... what the kitten you talking about ? and the range is horrible..

Let me guess.. you got kill few times in a row by one of the AR gods, and you come to the forums crying about it...The AR got nerfed enough in Uprising, it doesn't need anymore nerfing.

And BTW.. i use the SMG too for close range, and is alot more effective than the AR.. for some reason the AR sucks at close range, so i have to use the SMG to finish off people if they get to close...

You guys are..... (-------- )

Nice feedback, (sarcasm). The range is horrible? What are YOU talking about? Did you read the post? Maybe you are just permabad at aiming? But of course thats probably the only weapon you use as it's probably the only weapon you can hope to compete with. (Due to its OP nature).

BTW, I used the AR and completely owned with it. It's mentioned in the post, ya know, the first one. So guessing really isn't necessary.

Take a minute. Read. Think it through. Then come back here and try to spout something that can't be picked apart in 30 seconds you @ssclown.

I actually using both the Scrambler Assault Rifle ,and The AR... SCR Assault have better range, but lest damage. The AR have better damage but shorter range... and guess what.. i can use both with very similar results, if anything the SCR Assault is better because the range, and the low recoil... SO..... go a head, nerf the AR, i will still kill you with the SCR Assault, or even with my SMG ....

Bottom line... ; Learn to play the game.

I think it makes sense for it to have a little more recoil. I'd be fine with it shifting in relation to movement and position.

For instance, crouched/not-moving minimum recoil while ADS, slowly builds if you hold down full auto.

Not crouched, but not moving either; recoil builds quicker, but first few shots of a full auto (a burst basically) are mostly on target - but not as accurate as a burst AR.

Moving, ADS; recoil should ramp up after first shot. Moving, not ADS; recoil from the get-go.

Something like that I guess. As-is, the point of using a "burst" rifle isn't quite there because you put more rounds down more accurately when ADS with a full-auto.

Yes I am sure you are super L33T. At least you actually put experiences and usable feedback with your reply this time. However, if you are soo super L33T then a little more recoil for your AR shouldn't bother you....

If you notice, I am referring to the automatic variant of AR. It's in the title as well as the posts. I honestly don't care if I get killed, not a big deal. Been playing since day one on Beta as well, so not really worried about your L33T status either. But if I get killed, I would like it to be earned...regardless of the weapon. You know what, I use RE's, and I also asked for the RE nerf that they finally added so that I cannot insta-kill you with one.

The game is more fun when its balanced. Regardless of what weapon type you use to kill. Regardless of if you are the killer or killee. Easy mode gets boring, and getting killed because they have an un-earned advantage is frustrating.

It just seems that some people like an easy mode to feel better about themselves. How you can feel accomplished by getting a kill with a weapon a monkey can kill with I have no idea. Some people are actually good with an AR, but these same people don't need it to be OP to drop you. I don't know why certain people bring skill levels into a weapon balance discussion, as balance assumes two people have the exact same skill set.

If I have lots more practice with the SG, and 3mil SP into SG's, why am I still much more proficient using an AR Starter fit with 0 SP invested and less time using the weapon personally?

BTW, you give the appearance of a troll or someone who really needs attention when you give barely relevant feedback followed by your own comments about how great you are....but you definitely fit a profile of someone who would exploit any advantage in order to feel awesome about yourself. In short, you fit the profile of someone who would defend a broken mechanic or imbalance in order to exploit it fully and tell everyone including yourself how great you are.

The dispersion is there, you really notice it on the receiving end of an AR at max range. But it's not drastic enough IMO. I doubt the people I've faced off against actually have SP invested into sharpshooter. But there's virtually no kick anymore and I've been using MLT ARs with 0 SP invested in operation. You get a bit of kick after the majority of a clip, but it's really not enough. This kind of eliminates the purpose of using burst and breach ARs since those are meant to be the more stable variants.

I don't know, I like the idea of trying to maintain that these are futuristic weapons. I mean there are already assault rifles in existence that can fire full auto with virtually no recoil. I know it's a game and all of those predictable comments. I'm just saying there are other solutions. Making all other weapons up to par would be the better solution.

I think your HMG might be a little OP, that's 1132 DPS at standard level and the range of an AR.