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Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:17:00 - [1] - Quote What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 452	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:22:00 - [2] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. It depends on what resources are needed to produce them. I have to assume they will introduce new materials into New Eden to produce Dust-specific items. Hopefully, those materials will be harvested Dust-side and manufactured EVE-side.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 676	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:23:00 - [3] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. It depends on what resources are needed to produce them. I have to assume they will introduce new materials into New Eden to produce Dust-specific items. Hopefully, those materials will be harvested Dust-side and manufactured EVE-side. They probably will be manufactured Dust side as well. Maybe not exclusively though.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 453	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:29:00 - [4] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. It depends on what resources are needed to produce them. I have to assume they will introduce new materials into New Eden to produce Dust-specific items. Hopefully, those materials will be harvested Dust-side and manufactured EVE-side. They probably will be manufactured Dust side as well. Maybe not exclusively though. I'm also wondering if they're going to follow the PI manufacturing approach. Raw resources would be harvested and refined into more and more advanced materials and components to be shipped off-planet to be combined in factories in EVE for final products.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2105	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:36:00 - [5] - Quote Stuff would either be dirt cheap or annoyingly expensive, depending on how many eve players can be bothered to produce dust goods and how valuable the Market is too them.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 453	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:45:00 - [6] - Quote gbghg wrote: Stuff would either be dirt cheap or annoyingly expensive, depending on how many eve players can be bothered to produce dust goods and how valuable the Market is too them. Expect many EVE players to produce items. Many items in EVE actually destroy value as they're produced because, surprisingly for a game that loves spreadsheets, many players apparently don't know how to actually read one. Some people just like to manufacture.
M3DIC 2U Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 66	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:45:00 - [7] - Quote My understanding when first joining the beta was that this would eventually be how top tier items could be obtained, by buying in a market or refining and subsequently built through your EVE alliances. This tie would thus make it important to make a corps presence in both games and not just one or the other. Things like officer weapons and suits would then be available for restock in limited quantities, EVE players could expand their consumer base and Dust players gain more reason to keep real estate through Planetary Conquest AND seek out new planets for added/unique resources. I see this as something coming SOONtm but that has been thought out and planned for.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 208	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:53:00 - [8] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. Depends how they are being made, are they being mass produced or made 1 by 1.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 677	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:56:00 - [9] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. It depends on what resources are needed to produce them. I have to assume they will introduce new materials into New Eden to produce Dust-specific items. Hopefully, those materials will be harvested Dust-side and manufactured EVE-side. They probably will be manufactured Dust side as well. Maybe not exclusively though. I'm also wondering if they're going to follow the PI manufacturing approach. Raw resources would be harvested and refined into more and more advanced materials and components to be shipped off-planet to be combined in factories in EVE for final products. Most likely a simplified version of this that can be executed on the console.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 454	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:59:00 - [10] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. It depends on what resources are needed to produce them. I have to assume they will introduce new materials into New Eden to produce Dust-specific items. Hopefully, those materials will be harvested Dust-side and manufactured EVE-side. They probably will be manufactured Dust side as well. Maybe not exclusively though. I'm also wondering if they're going to follow the PI manufacturing approach. Raw resources would be harvested and refined into more and more advanced materials and components to be shipped off-planet to be combined in factories in EVE for final products. Most likely a simplified version of this that can be executed on the console. Hopefully they port that out to EVE... I despise setting up PI colonies.

Buster Friently Rosen Association 677	Posted - 2013.06.12 21:04:00 - [11] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Abron Garr wrote: It depends on what resources are needed to produce them. I have to assume they will introduce new materials into New Eden to produce Dust-specific items. Hopefully, those materials will be harvested Dust-side and manufactured EVE-side. They probably will be manufactured Dust side as well. Maybe not exclusively though. I'm also wondering if they're going to follow the PI manufacturing approach. Raw resources would be harvested and refined into more and more advanced materials and components to be shipped off-planet to be combined in factories in EVE for final products. Most likely a simplified version of this that can be executed on the console. Hopefully they port that out to EVE... I despise setting up PI colonies. You aren't everyone. I make most of my ISK that way. Hopefully, like Eve, Dust has lots of opportunities for people with different concepts of fun.
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 349	Posted - 2013.06.12 21:06:00 - [12] - Quote DEVS said DUST is an isk sink for EVE. They have too much money, and we have little. Economically, DUST is supposed to expand opportunitiex for EVE to profit but it is voluntary so EVE players must entice us with candy. I assume gear will be the most common form of enticement.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 677	Posted - 2013.06.12 21:12:00 - [13] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: DEVS said DUST is an isk sink for EVE. They have too much money, and we have little. Economically, DUST is supposed to expand opportunitiex for EVE to profit but it is voluntary so EVE players must entice us with candy. I assume gear will be the most common form of enticement. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. It's my understanding that both games would be able to, in a pinch, stand on their own. I've never seen a dev statement claiming that Dust was to be an Isk sink for Eve. Also, what do you mean by gear? Dusties will not be manufacturing gear to be used in Eve. Probably ever.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 454	Posted - 2013.06.12 21:14:00 - [14] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: You aren't everyone. I make most of my ISK that way. Hopefully, like Eve, Dust has lots of opportunities for people with different concepts of fun. Calm down Shlomo, you misread. I make a ton from PI, but that does not mean setting up the colony is fun. The UI interface for PI needs some work.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 677	Posted - 2013.06.12 21:18:00 - [15] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Buster Friently wrote: You aren't everyone. I make most of my ISK that way. Hopefully, like Eve, Dust has lots of opportunities for people with different concepts of fun. Calm down Shlomo, you misread. I make a ton from PI, but that does not mean setting up the colony is fun. The UI interface for PI needs some work. It was a calm disagreement of what you wrote. I'm not sure what made you think it wasn't calm. Or to throw an insult, I guess?
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 454	Posted - 2013.06.12 21:20:00 - [16] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Buster Friently wrote: You aren't everyone. I make most of my ISK that way. Hopefully, like Eve, Dust has lots of opportunities for people with different concepts of fun. Calm down Shlomo, you misread. I make a ton from PI, but that does not mean setting up the colony is fun. The UI interface for PI needs some work. It was a calm disagreement of what you wrote. I'm not sure what made you think it wasn't calm. Or to throw an insult, I guess? My apologies, I meant that more as a salute from one of EVE's sons of Abraham to another. Edit: And yeah, port out the interface that is so simple a DS controller can set up a colony. Too many clicks.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 677	Posted - 2013.06.12 21:22:00 - [17] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Buster Friently wrote: You aren't everyone. I make most of my ISK that way. Hopefully, like Eve, Dust has lots of opportunities for people with different concepts of fun. Calm down Shlomo, you misread. I make a ton from PI, but that does not mean setting up the colony is fun. The UI interface for PI needs some work. It was a calm disagreement of what you wrote. I'm not sure what made you think it wasn't calm. Or to throw an insult, I guess? My apologies, I meant that more as a salute from one of EVE's sons of Abraham to another. Edit: And yeah, port out the interface that is so simple a DS controller can set up a colony. Too many clicks. I agree that PI involves a lot of useless clicking as it stands now. Still, it's a useful, if clunky, addition to Eve. That's kinda what I meant. Hopefully we have useful, though less clunky, additions to Dust.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 273	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:00:00 - [18] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. It depends on what resources are needed to produce them. I have to assume they will introduce new materials into New Eden to produce Dust-specific items. Hopefully, those materials will be harvested Dust-side and manufactured EVE-side. it be funny making a gun out of tritanium and send it to some clueless Dust mercs. for those who dont know everything in EVE is made out of the super hard metal, tritanium and this super hard metal explodes in atmoshperes, where we live.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1540	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:09:00 - [19] - Quote Stuff would be ridiculously expensive, and it would be impossible to try somethings because it would be too unpopular to be worth selling.
Somin Krais Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 83	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:22:00 - [20] - Quote I honestly don't think it would be a problem. Would the market have issues at first? Of course it would. Would it take a while for EVE players to figure out what it is that Dust players really care about? Sure. But when your EVE-side corp picks up a dropship, HAV, or MTAC BPOs, researches the hell out of it, and starts pumping out T2/T3 vehicular slaughterboxes.. you'll both be happy.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 142	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:37:00 - [21] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. It also depends on how contracts work, ISK is worth more in DUST, and how much we ask for operations.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 312	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:51:00 - [22] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. Some stupid metabation would cause all EvE players to stop production and we would play with only our starter gear...then a Dust player with an EvE character would get super rich selling AV nades.
M3DIC 2U Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 67	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:35:00 - [23] - Quote I still look forward to how this whole thing works out. For me, this concept combined with the 10 year dedication to making EVE a success and interesting compared to games like WoW, Everquest that have fizzled out on entertainment factor is what drew me in and has kept me through the beta issues. I like that the players drive the direction and not just, here's another quest to get fancier gear and nothing else. I don't want to always be rushing to reach end game but instead develop something. Also, imagine if the Dust world develops so that ISK can be traded for real world cash... true mercenary virtual world and one could make a living playing games. (Pie in the sky idea folks, I know it sounds crazy). Plus imagine a huge Dust faction generating a total war for a planet. Want to take over a capital? Why not make a full blown war campaign through a system requiring months/years and new recruits and resources just like a true war. Best part, no one really dies (except on the inside when pwnd by a newb).
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 649	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:46:00 - [24] - Quote I wish we'd stop restricting the "good stuff" to corps and alliances. There is no reason not to let these things dribble down to single accounts linked across both games. Of course, the impact of such a single account would be small -- but if you want the game to be fun make it fun... and incentivize cooperative action.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 327	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:47:00 - [25] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. Day one after eve players get the ability to build our gear: All prices Skyrocket. After a month: Prices are lower than now thanks to the "mineral i mine are free" crowd.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1840	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:48:00 - [26] - Quote Hope you enjoy 10,000,000 isk GEK-38s
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1971	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:49:00 - [27] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. I would imagine the resources would be different from what we use in space, and that the quantities needed for each asset would be fairly small to make mass producing them easier and more efficient. Dust 514 being fully integrated with EVE Online will be the best thing ever to hit the EVE economy.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2719	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:50:00 - [28] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Princeps Marcellus wrote: What would happen to the economy? Assuming that the main source of income for Dust bunnies is instant battles. It depends on what resources are needed to produce them. I have to assume they will introduce new materials into New Eden to produce Dust-specific items. Hopefully, those materials will be harvested Dust-side and manufactured EVE-side. CCP did hint at the idea of letting Eve players manufacture our gear. This makes sense because there is already a complex production chain established by the Eve players. We DUST players would simply provide the resources.


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