I've always believed in a strict hard cap on SP, because in theory, your reward for playing should ideally be new loot, more ISK, killing baddies, scamming people, manipulating markets, exploring, etc etc

The reality is that there is no incentive other than SP, and this is strongly pushed by CCP via boosters.

Plus, people like to feel like special snowflakes, and oodles of SP is how to do that easily

I think your on to something. Instead of increasing SP i believe once you hit your cap you should be given a buff to loot and isk.

i vote no SP

FPS B4 the MMO

I've always been against it but it's not going away. And frankly I'd prefer CCP to be selling boosters as their primary products than more P2W gear. So I've made my peace with it.

Edit: The argument about "hardcore" players farming tons of SP is often made, although it's a bad one. The SP gap that's the biggest detriment to the game is the one between new players and old ones. Hardcore SP farmers can only put so much SP into making any given build stronger, after that they're just gaining more options in playstyles; frankly, the ones that have been at it a while are already there. No, the only SP gap the cap really enforces is making sure newer players are basically permanently behind older ones.

People are so worried about "falling behind" that they support a system that ensures the people who haven't been playing since Open Beta stay permanently behind.

You want people to log on more? Don't have a mechanic that tells them to stop playing at a given time.

I agree

100% passive SP for everyone (+50% for you AUR hounds), plus add things to the game that actually have meaning. Aka, give us the MMO part of this MMOFPS

That's fine and dandy in theory. But in practice that's even worse.

Not if the game was actually interesting.

Turn WP into something meaningful and people can measure their E peens that way, and get rewarded for it to boot.

Won't work unless the game is actually meaningful and fun to play, aka, not a lobby shooter. We're getting there, slowly. Allowing boosters to simply give you 50% extra SP would mean they'd still sell great, if not better, so no money lost there.

Right now the quest to attain max SP is what keeps most people coming back, though PC is a nod in the right direction at least. If the game were actually interesting and immersive, you wouldn't need active SP at all.

Can't force the game to be interesting first. At least let people enjoy the toys while the game lasts. Might at least get some good fights and with the revenue generate, a good game may emerge after all.

Are you For or Against having a weekly/daily/monthly/whatever SP cap or against it and why?

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Definitely for the cap because if we had no cap the gap between casual and hardcore players would be even greater than it already is. I have a job but I still get to play Dust most evenings and at the weekends and I can usually cap out on a Monday or Tuesday evening which is fine for me.

Now take a guy with no job and all they do is play Dust, with no SP cap they could earn an almost unlimited amount of SP every week. So suddenly the guys like me who just about manage to cap out each week are falling seriously behind the guys who cap oit after 2 days.

I'm not just saying this for my own good either, I think the current SP is as fair as it can be across the board and it seems to work pretty well. And besides, it was put to a vote before and that is how we ended up with the current system. If it isn't broken don't try to fix it IMO.

Pity the same couldn't be said about the nanite injectors

But instead of opening the doors to no-lifers or AFKers grinding away SP like mad, I would propose to just make SP 100% passive. Add the weekly active cap to the passive gain rate and that way we get the same SP no matter what, whether we play on the regular or not. The current way SP is set up punishes you for not playing and makes grinding an unnecessary motivation to play instead of having fun with existing content, no matter how minimalistic.

I completely agree, but the game has to actually be interesting on it's own merit in order for this to work; so many people would just not play and soak up the SP because why not.

Fukk the sp cap it dumb its just a way to make you play for an extended period of time

RELEASE THE CAAAAAAP

End of discussion.

There are hardcore players who are maxing everything - or in unlimited scenario, grinding 20/7 or account sharing to gain the maximum power.

Eventually boosters will be on the market for ISK so even those players who either don't want to or can't spend real money on the game can still get them.

As much as the cap annoys the hell out of me it's not going anywhere. While I'm all for discussion purely for the sake of discovering new ways to think about a problem this one is honestly pointless. I'm not saying it's a bad idea from a gameplay/enjoyment standpoint but it would be a terrible business decision and isn't going to happen.

Selling boosters for I$K would be the terrible business decision. Just throwing that out there. = )

I'd say there's a much higher chance of them removing the sp cap than there is there revenue stream. Orders of magnitude higher. I'd still use boosters even without a cap.

I would not, however spend money on Dust if I could buy boosters with I$K.

CCP said that to max out a character it would take 7 years, so the SP should be:

282/7= 40 <---40M exp a year (282M exp to max all skills)
40/53=0.75 <--750K exp a week, rounded to 53 since 1 year is 52.11 weeks
The SP cap should be 750K exp a week.

Building a decent fit takes about 7M SP

7 / .75= 9.3 or 2 months and 4 days,it would take a hardcore new player 2 months and 4 days to catch up to a veteran, this is rather fair even if the veteran is also hardcore playing. Mostly because after you can build 1 proto build you can't really go above that, you go for tanks or LAVs but after 7M SP, or the SP to build 1 proto suit, SP becomes a luxury. Also if we account for passive SP then it would take a newbie 7.62 weeks or 1 month 23 days.

Lets use the current SP cap of 190K a week:

190 x 52.11= 9.9M SP a year
282/9.9 = 28.48 years to max out a character
This is... I don't even think I will be alive by them, I will be 50 years old before I max my character out! I think my ps3 would have died 7 times over before I max out. If I account for passive SP, which is 8M a year, it would take a weekly capper with no boosters 15.7 years to cap. If we account for passive SP using a 750K SP Cap a week, it would take a VERY hardcore player 6.4 years to max out his character, but most people cant even get 100K SP in a day, so on average it would take most people 7 years to max just like CCP intended.

Are you For or Against having a weekly/daily/monthly/whatever SP cap or against it and why?

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