I know your pain, but we armour tankers have to be the tough guys around here. None of that ***** ass Minmatar and Caldari **** for us. Were Amarrian badasses baby.

Amarr can hybrid tank better than Minmatar in this game....

Stop Whining about callogipro suits... Clone cost is high and my k/d is low because I do what logibro suppose to do. I don't sitsnipe like most of you. I get little annoyed...

What the hell are you talking about? Anyone see a coherent thought in that post?

If you're saying that you use the the suit as designed then that's great, but many others do not. Where do you get off calling us snipers, or even get the thought in your head that most people snipe? There are more than enough out there but last I checked most of the playerbase rolls Assault.

flux nades

As someone who has been playing this game for just under 3 weeks, one of the most depressing things I've experienced in the game was the discovery that there were players walking around with more than THREE-TIMES as much shield HP as I'm allowed to have....... and that they could move FASTER than I could..... and that we were wearing the SAME "CLASS" of suits.

However, even more depressing than that was the realization that I was, at best, months away from being able to gain access to that level of gear (proto logi + proto shields + max shield skills + max speed shield + etc.. etc...).

So I grind and grind and grind, and even do some more grinding, and I finally am able to build myself a nice little tryhard gear setup like that also. Then what?
I put on my shiny peaCOCK suit and prance around the battlefield.... rolling NEWBIES and other lesser geared players?

My choices.... be out geared by tryhards, or roll lesser geared(read: leveled) players. Really?


I used to have this rule about playing shooters that would dull my skill-based reflexes/senses if I played them for too long. I just don't see how Dust514 could maintain and cultivate any type of skilled core playerbase with such extremem progression and power gap mechanics.

I'll give it three more weeks but, as of right now, Dust falls squarly in the "skilless playerbase" shooter list for me. Wouldn't even justify it as a decen tactic shooter at this point, due to the steep and punishing power progression (wtf is with that weekly cap? it hurts the newbs way more than it helps).

. Beyond that I like the idea of making the fitting invalid unless all equipment slots are full... Although I'd imagine that you could still fit a prototype primary weapon/Grenades with all complex module's by simply filling the equip slots with basic needles or compact hives.

Your entire post is completely irrelevant to this thread, please take the QQ elsewhere. If you don't like the progression and potential gap that creates you should probably just go back to COD.

Rather than adding a mobility penalty for shields, I'd rather they just remove the penalty for armor!

Seems a bit daft for a futuristic game that armor tanking is considered just adding layers upon layers, rather than using more complex materials.
Using game logic all our real world troops should be trying to run around in steel suits of armor rather than wearing Kevlar.
Won't be long until they're all wearing graphene uniforms.

You are cute, child.

wtf is with that weekly cap? it hurts the newbs way more than it helps.

Yup. +1...

When people voted for the cap, they voted out of fear of the 'no lifers' grinding millions upon millions more sp than they would have the time to grind. No one considered the new players. =' (

Hopefully CCP will remove the cap for newbies up to around 3-5 million... to give them a fighting chance.

Also, I was wondering if you'd get around to making an appearance in Dust. I've a feeling it will be shortlived. Can't train the bluedots here as well as MAG. That's saying something BTW. = p

Yes they have a counter, However can you give one good reason why anyone would skill Caldari Assault over Caldari logi?

Arnt they comming out with an armor variant that repairs itself?

Rather than adding a mobility penalty for shields, I'd rather they just remove the penalty for armor!

Seems a bit daft for a futuristic game that armor tanking is considered just adding layers upon layers, rather than using more complex materials.
Using game logic all our real world troops should be trying to run around in steel suits of armor rather than wearing Kevlar.
Won't be long until they're all wearing graphene uniforms.

Edit: LOL misread OP. For some reason I thought you were asking for a mobility penalty for shield users. Sorry!
Either way, by opinion of our armor penalty still stands ... Just ignore my bonkers first sentence.

Yeah.... I mentioned that a bit earlier.

It's my understanding that the "repair armor" will sacrifice a lot of HP for the repair perk. I also suspect that it may have an even more punishing mobility handicap than the current armor options do/will.

Strafe speed.

And the fact tht the callogi suits looses 3 of its slots just to bring core functions close to the assaults levels.

If I don't use a proto kinetic, a cardiac regulator and a proto shield recharger the suit is uselss for me.

Its stil combat effectiveness vs the ability to carry more equipment, whatever the QQers say.

etc...

I hope it doesnt have a higher speed penalty that would just be stupid.

Rather than adding a mobility penalty for shields, I'd rather they just remove the penalty for armor!

Seems a bit daft for a futuristic game that armor tanking is considered just adding layers upon layers, rather than using more complex materials.
Using game logic all our real world troops should be trying to run around in steel suits of armor rather than wearing Kevlar.
Won't be long until they're all wearing graphene uniforms.

I've heard something about CCP introducing new types of armor that would have much less to zero of a mobility penalty, along with some armor regeneration traits. Would definitely even things up a bit..... among the top gear suits.

Got Caldari Logistics players running around with 500-600 Shields and they don't receive a mobility penalty like we armor tankers - yet you tack on 60% HP on Free LAVs? Why do we have to wait months for a new build for you to start adding balance features but you can suddenly form a unanimous decision to "fix" vehicles and turn this into Wacky Races?

Also, took a look at the fused locus grenades. Who's bright idea was it to make them Grenadier 1 and the isk variant Grenadier 5 with the CPU/PG intensiveness associated with it? Its always "we forgot to add the script" or some other BS excuse, GET IT TOGETHER CCP SHANGHAI

Amarr can hybrid tank better than Minmatar in this game....

As someone who has been playing this game for just under 3 weeks, one of the most depressing things I've experienced in the game was the discovery that there were players walking around with more than THREE-TIMES as much shield HP as I'm allowed to have....... and that they could move FASTER than I could..... and that we were wearing the SAME "CLASS" of suits.

However, even more depressing than that was the realization that I was, at best, months away from being able to gain access to that level of gear (proto logi + proto shields + max shield skills + max speed skills + etc.. etc...).

So I grind and grind and grind, and even do some more grinding, and I finally am able to build myself a nice little tryhard gear setup like that also. Then what?
I put on my shiny peaCOCK suit and prance around the battlefield.... rolling NEWBIES and other lesser geared players?

My choices.... be out geared by tryhards, or roll lesser geared(read: leveled) players. Really?


I used to have this rule about playing shooters that would dull my skill-based reflexes/senses if I played them for too long. I just don't see how Dust514 could maintain and cultivate any type of skilled core playerbase with such extremem progression and power gap mechanics.

I'll give it three more weeks but, as of right now, Dust falls squarly in the "skilless playerbase" shooter list for me. Wouldn't even justify it as a decent tactical shooter at this point, due to the steep and punishing power progression (wtf is with that weekly cap? it hurts the newbs way more than it helps).

THROW A FLUX GRENADE AND STOP CRYING

As someone who has been playing this game for just under 3 weeks, one of the most depressing things I've experienced in the game was the discovery that there were players walking around with more than THREE-TIMES as much shield HP as I'm allowed to have....... and that they could move FASTER than I could..... and that we were wearing the SAME "CLASS" of suits.

However, even more depressing than that was the realization that I was, at best, months away from being able to gain access to that level of gear (proto logi + proto shields + max shield skills + max speed skills + etc.. etc...).

So I grind and grind and grind, and even do some more grinding, and I finally am able to build myself a nice little tryhard gear setup like that also. Then what?
I put on my shiny peaCOCK suit and prance around the battlefield.... rolling NEWBIES and other lesser geared players?

My choices.... be out geared by tryhards, or roll lesser geared(read: leveled) players. Really?


I used to have this rule about playing shooters that would dull my skill-based reflexes/senses if I played them for too long. I just don't see how Dust514 could maintain and cultivate any type of skilled core playerbase with such extremem progression and power gap mechanics.

I'll give it three more weeks but, as of right now, Dust falls squarly in the "skilless playerbase" shooter list for me. Wouldn't even justify it as a decent tactical shooter at this point, due to the steep and punishing power progression (wtf is with that weekly cap? it hurts the newbs way more than it helps).

Throw a flux grenade and stop crying
Throw an AV grenade at an LAV and stop crying
Pick up a TAC and stop crying

Why is it that the only ******* response to something that is obviously broken is always changing your specialization to deal with it? Locus grenades still suck for armor tankers and we can't get out of the way of the things, beyond that Flux don't kill - locus do. Either way, still come out better off with shields because you have more HP with NO MOVEMENT PENALTY

Hotfix the new plates in or reduce movement speed penalty on armor plates. Stupid that we have to wait months for something that was an issue since the dawn of the game.

your argument is not valid, caldri logi has only 99 armor which is basically a 1 bullet kill if you hit it with flux.

The tac was fine, you guys are bad.

The caldari logi suit is fine, you guys are bad.

I don't come on forums and cry for nerfs, that's what bad players do, I don't come on the forum and ask for buffs, thats what bad players do.

Someone is always going to be better then you, someone is always going to have a better suit then you, someone is always going to have more sp then you.

How I choose to make my suit is up to me, and how you counter it, is up to you, GET BETTER.

I would never complain about grenade's I personally don't like them and think their cheap kills in all shooters.

Here's a link to my MAG stats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24oELW2zEKk

At that time I had 137,000 kills and out of all that only 3000 grenade kills(lowest of any weapon), Almost never ran with grenades.

Yes they have a counter, However can you give one good reason why anyone would skill Caldari Assault over Caldari logi?

Yup. +1...

When people voted for the cap, they voted out of fear of the 'no lifers' grinding millions upon millions more sp than they would have the time to grind. No one considered the new players. =' (

Hopefully CCP will remove the cap for newbies up to around 3-5 million... to give them a fighting chance.

Also, I was wondering if you'd get around to making an appearance in Dust. I've a feeling it will be shortlived. Can't train the bluedots here as well as MAG. That's saying something BTW. = p

P.S. Scramblers are designed to flatten CalLogis. = )

Amarr can hybrid tank better than Minmatar in this game....

There is a armor vs shield thread my friend is writing.
I had an idea we quite like, and you will see it once CCP releases 1.2 update.
This is from the same guy who wrote the last shield vs armor thread that got CCP's attention.

So hang in there, just a little while longer.

Even still the argument here is that CCP can 'hotfix' all of the the HP values on vehicles but they stall whenever there's a very obvious imbalance like Caldari Logis rolling with 600+ shields or Fused Locus grenades having no ISK equivalent. I just find this amazing.

Even still the argument here is that CCP can 'hotfix' all of the the HP values on vehicles but they stall whenever there's a very obvious imbalance like Caldari Logis rolling with 600+ shields or Fused Locus grenades having no ISK equivalent. I just find this amazing.

scrambler rifle says hi

It is not even the shields and health.... 5 highs 4 lows...that alone shoulg throw a red flag up. I like the Caldari Logi, but demanded a respec due to knowing it would be buffed. I tried to choose a class and race that would not be buffed for a long time due to it having 5 highs 2 lows minni assault. and to top it of i said screw it and Im stick with proto smg.


When picking what you spend SP into, thry to make sure that it is NOT the Flavoe of the month.....or you will regret it......known fact.

they all have equal slots, every single logi just about.

If none of the top players used this suit, would we even be talking about it? probably not...

Shield's need their own detriment to balance with armor plating's movement penalty.

I would say having each module tack on a % increase in a player's hitbox would be a start. None of this skin tight super shield stuff. Stronger armor makes you a larger target by slowing you down so stronger shields make you a larger target by literally making you a larger target.

I'm pretty sure they increase profile scan radius...

I'm pretty sure they increase profile scan radius...

Nah, it's only balanced if I can role 600+ armor with 22HP/s repair rate on a Gallente Logistics without movement penalty.otherwise, still an imbalance in favor shields.

Exaggerating but come on, this should have been seen by internal QA at some point.

Nah.
We got a nice idea that allows armor users to rep at a decent speed, but still take longer to lick their wounds outside of combat.
The idea revolves around that:
Shield = Skirmishers
They dictate range and when to engage, can get in and out of combat quickly and regenerate

Armor = Brawlers
They're tanky, they're slow and if you're caught near one, you better run.
Can't get in and out of combat quickly, and regenerate very slowly outside of combat.

You will see Soon(TM)

I keep seeing "flux" and "scrambler" but I have yet to see someone explain how there's balance in having 600 shields without penalty when you can't perform the same with armor. If it was armor with 600 HP with 22HP/s repair, with no movement penalty, you wouldn't have much of an argument would you?

So, next build. Gotcha.

Got Caldari Logistics players running around with 500-600 Shields and they don't receive a mobility penalty like we armor tankers - yet you tack on 60% HP on Free LAVs? Why do we have to wait months for a new build for you to start adding balance features but you can suddenly form a unanimous decision to "fix" vehicles and turn this into Wacky Races?

Also, took a look at the fused locus grenades. Who's bright idea was it to make them Grenadier 1 and the isk variant Grenadier 5 with the CPU/PG intensiveness associated with it? Its always "we forgot to add the script" or some other BS excuse, GET IT TOGETHER CCP SHANGHAI

I'm a caldari logi (aka a bumblebee) and I agree we have a certain advantage to a degree. Honestly, it's hard to feel badass when even a militia flux grenades reduces us to wet cardboard. Six hundred shields mean nothing when even the freshest of noobs can effectively take us out of the game. Same thing can be said for the scrambler rifle.

I'd say rather than call for a nerf, you might do better just changing up your playstyle a little.

I'm a caldari logi (aka a bumblebee) and I agree we have a certain advantage to a degree. Honestly, it's hard to feel badass when even a militia flux grenades reduces us to wet cardboard. Six hundred shields mean nothing when even the freshest of noobs can effectively take us out of the game. Same thing can be said for the scrambler rifle.

I'd say rather than call for a nerf, you might do better just changing up your playstyle a little.

Haven't you got the memo? it's beyond their mental capacity to find a counter on their own, so they need the dev's to hold their hand...

A. Militia flux doesn't exist so I know you're BSing.

lol



Good catch. I was wrong, I meant entry level flux and AV. Seeing as death by flux blast is what kills me most often, I think it's a perfectly valid argument.

So you want me to react to your complaining about locus grenades? I don't see the point. Locus for armor, flux for shields. I see balance, but since you're an armor user, I don't expect to sway you.

Then why should I react to your advocating the use of flux grenades? You're a shield tanker, I don't expect to sway you.

But I don't see a bunch of threads on how armor tanking (infantry) is OP.

So you want me to react to your complaining about locus grenades? I don't see the point. Locus for armor, flux for shields. I see balance, but since you're an armor user, I don't expect to sway you.