It means tanks are broken, simply put. tank skills use to effect dropsuits which helped a lot with cost management but now they don't and they aren't profitable.

I find that surviving matches is a key to earning profits in an HAV. Also knowing when to call one down or not or when to recall them.

You certainly know you're doing your job when you have half a team go after you with anti-vehicle.

tankers know ccp isnt doing their job, tanks and av are unbalanced, only way to balance them is to nerf av nades... and make all av more expensive so the Sver knows that he is taking a risk coming after me....

only way to balance them is to nerf av nades...

If had to balance it would buff AV grenade damage much more, but limit them to one throw and buff the other AV options to compensate and make them all very slow to restock from any source.

Increase Vehicle HP but lower their ability to self repair.

If had to balance it would buff AV grenade damage much more, but limit them to one throw and buff the other AV options to compensate and make them all very slow to restock from any source.

Increase Vehicle HP but lower their ability to self repair.

tankers know ccp isnt doing their job, tanks and av are unbalanced, only way to balance them is to nerf av nades... and make all av more expensive so the Sver knows that he is taking a risk coming after me....

there is an old strip joint just two miles from here. a lot of amarr old priests go there... but if you want the cash, you know what you must do.

Every match I either have to call in a tank, or run MLT suits with 0 sp in any dropsuit skills. Just waiting is obnoxious when there is no timeline or "in the works now". During chromosome I could look, see who we were fighting, get a feel for the match, then call in a tank or keep on logi'ing. Not a viable option now

Honestly, having been a tanker from way back in august (close to the start of closed beta) and seeing the ups and downs of CCP's decisions on tanks, i find that there are only minor adjustments to this kind of thing that would help. You could make tanks cheaper, that's probably not gonna happen. You could make Av nades less of a problem by dropping the damage. One guy with Av nades and nanohives can blow up most tanks by himself, yeah so he uses 100,000 Isk worth of Equipment and blows up a 3 million isk tank. That's absolutely brilliant, but a good tanker wont just stand there. Its occasionally you get the not so bright guys who go running in like manics. You could buff shield tanks a bit, seeing how they have less PG now, they're repair modules are and always have been slower than armor tanks, and they are slower or equal speed wise making them completely inferior tank on tank. You could balance AV weapons, Proto swarms and Proto Forges doing more damage than any Tank weapon or installation in the game with a couple damage mods, yes because that's not broken? lol I know CCP will fix some things, because in the past they have. Last build tanks and AV stuff was pretty balanced in my eyes. But now we are back to after the days of Bad Furry, when tanks were getting owned by one man in an LAV with a Forge. Or on top of a building with Forge guns that shoot dead straight and with incredible distance. That odd graphics bug really is making snipers and rail-gun tanks life hard when you cant see people 300 meters away who are literally wide in the open. Come on now. But patience is a virtue. In due time. Because hell i'm still waiting for artillery turrets. Who remembers when those had a space on the market? So CCP make every tankers life better. Re-balance the AV stuff just a bit, give us the option to Lock are doors, because noobs love to run off with 2.5 million dollar tanks, and while your at it look at the proto forge gun that does more than any rail gun in the game? Or hey re-install our proficiency skills? Everything else has them why not us? What about the Sagaris and Surya? Whats the new thing with them? Gonna make them 1.2 million for an extra low or high slot? yeah.. because that's worth skilling into. :D

That..... is a wall..... of words..... I can't..... my eyes....

Muscle through, it's a reasonable summary from an old tanker.

Why thank you good sir.

the only way that HAV s get balanced and more viable is to:

A: temporarily remove AV ADV and protos(this means that all AV weapons are stuck to standart like tanks are) and remove the 60 percent HP buff to LAV s and give 20 percent HP buff to dropships

or

B: give HAV s ADV and prototipe variants

simple

Tanks are not meant to be cost effective, they're meant to kill stuff that otherwise doesn't get killed fast enough or cause a threat that has to be dealt with in order for the other side to win.

If you really want to ride around all day in your tank, ask your corp for some of that PC income.

So as a tanker I run only tanks. The cheapest one I can run without losing to an AV sneeze is 600k. Most matches average about 200k, so does that mean that CCP thinks that you should be able to go at least 3 matches without losing a tank? Or that tankers shouldn't only run tanks despite their high sp cost?

i didnt know tankers could only use tanks?

Man if only you guys could run around as an infantry and get kills that way...too bad

CCP seriously needs to fix that

Tanks are not meant to be cost effective, they're meant to kill stuff that otherwise doesn't get killed fast enough or cause a threat that has to be dealt with in order for the other side to win.

If you really want to ride around all day in your tank, ask your corp for some of that PC income.

My 'expensive' AV setup is a suit worth about 14k with a medium tier swarm launcher. 3 HAV in one match

Thanks.

P.S.actually felt sorry for the poor guy with the tanks, 2-14 for the match. Normally he would have done ok on that map, but my team just had a decent amount of AV. Having been on the receiving end of players dropping a nano hive and spamming Hacked AV (ex-o or whatever they are) it really isn't funny.

WTF did CCP make the Logi LAV harder to kill than a medium level tank. Even a basic LAV that keeps moving is going to last longer and get more kills. Seriously, what?

that's when you say you'll post nude for ISK like a now certain CCP member not to be named, and get all the ISK you'll need for months.

So as a tanker I run only tanks. The cheapest one I can run without losing to an AV sneeze is 600k. Most matches average about 200k, so does that mean that CCP thinks that you should be able to go at least 3 matches without losing a tank? Or that tankers shouldn't only run tanks despite their high sp cost?

Ohh youre so cute, complaining because you cant recover the cost of your tank.
You have never tried to make profit with Dropships ONLY havent you?

yes and I make a great taxi. just wish I would get wp for the MCRU.

Terrible, Terrible, terrible.

Leave armor alone, buff shield rep and exp resistance more, make it as fast if not faster than armor. .. seriously my armor tank drives faster backwards.

Reduce av nade range tracking and dmg or increase cost to 80k for proto. Also make them have their own skill tree.

Swarms...... reduce available ammo and locking range. I should not be sniped from across the map by invisible swarms that do 3000 dmg to my 58% dmg res tank.

Forge, reduce rof on assault variants or lower dmg a bit. It should not shoot as fast and hit as hard as a railgun.

Increase all av prices to balance the cost of losing a tank.

The tank in dust is no longer a rolling death machine to be feared by all. It is an annoyance and easily handled by 1 person with advanced av.

So as a tanker I run only tanks. The cheapest one I can run without losing to an AV sneeze is 600k. Most matches average about 200k, so does that mean that CCP thinks that you should be able to go at least 3 matches without losing a tank? Or that tankers shouldn't only run tanks despite their high sp cost?

If had to balance it would buff AV grenade damage much more, but limit them to one throw and buff the other AV options to compensate and make them all very slow to restock from any source.

Increase Vehicle HP but lower their ability to self repair.

Terrible, Terrible, terrible.

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Forge, reduce rof on assault variants or lower dmg a bit. It should not shoot as fast and hit as hard as a railgun.

Increase all av prices to balance the cost of losing a tank.

The tank in dust is no longer a rolling death machine to be feared by all. It is an annoyance and easily handled by 1 person with advanced av.

One guy with Av nades and nanohives can blow up most tanks by himself, yeah so he uses 100,000 Isk worth of Equipment and blows up a 3 million isk tank. That's absolutely brilliant, but a good tanker wont just stand there

If had to balance it would buff AV grenade damage much more, but limit them to one throw and buff the other AV options to compensate and make them all very slow to restock from any source.

Increase Vehicle HP but lower their ability to self repair.

So as a tanker I run only tanks. The cheapest one I can run without losing to an AV sneeze is 600k. Most matches average about 200k, so does that mean that CCP thinks that you should be able to go at least 3 matches without losing a tank? Or that tankers shouldn't only run tanks despite their high sp cost?

The charge-to-fire-time on my Assault Forge is over nine times longer than a large rail cannon. It has a range limit, sixteen shots (make 'em count), weapon shake, no zoom (much less an aiming mode), and best of all I get to rely on my sub-machine gun when some shot-gunner scout with the crazy eyes comes hunting.

I dont want to beleive this dude still calls for Av buff. 4Dmg mod swarms hit 3500 to armor, you must be , I don't know any words to describe you.

Get this dude off CPM, please for the love of god

rails have RoF limiter that forge don't have btw thats 1.8 seconds till the next shot so go HTFU with your nine times BS. you can fire just as fast with maxed skills.

I find that surviving matches is a key to earning profits in an HAV. Also knowing when to call one down or not or when to recall them.

You certainly know you're doing your job when you have half a team go after you with anti-vehicle.

all the while your two other turrets are unloading on us. i have to reload....... well sometimes. that takes time.

most tanks die running. i fought one guy who had a mean blaster turret, took me about 800k worth of gear to pop him. i would guess it was because he stayed and played. my buddy madru ghanza rocks a MLT with 2300 sheilds and less armor. havnt seen it popped yet. theres good tankers out there.

rails have RoF limiter that forge don't have btw thats 1.8 seconds till the next shot so go HTFU with your nine times BS. you can fire just as fast with maxed skills.

You don't get tanking. They are unsupportable in equal skill and SP contests. You have to choose between being a pansy and being useful. And pray there is no rain (OBs).

all the while your two other turrets are unloading on us. i have to reload....... well sometimes. that takes time.

most tanks die running. i fought one guy who had a mean blaster turret, took me about 800k worth of gear to pop him. i would guess it was because he stayed and played. my buddy madru ghanza rocks a MLT with 2300 sheilds and less armor. havnt seen it popped yet. theres good tankers out there.

Who are you to say what tanks are "meant for". I can say infantry are meant for being targets fory blaster but that doesn'take me right.

and what exactly might you propose tankers do when not in their tanks? their skills don't transfer to dropsuits and tanks are rather SP intensive so they can't be infantry, dropships suck and are a bigger isk sink that tanks, and lavs require 2 people... unless your a murder taxi ________.

Actually tanks in dust are tougher than thier real counterparts. There are no "disabled" tanks in dust, this happens in real warfare you can guess that a "destroyed tank' in Dust is representative of a whole range of things that can happen to a tank in the real world that takes it out of the fight.

The common sense assumption that tanks are somehow totally bad ass. But the reality of it is tanks havn't been bad ass since they first appeared in WW1 then people learned to deal with them.

I think the balance on tanks is okay. And fiddling with it, might ruin the equilibrium we have.



You should read this. And tell me if they made "tanks" more "realistic" (not as they stand now) would you still want to call one.

Anti Tank Warfare

Im sure snipers and heavies would love to have this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_97_20_mm_anti-tank_rifle

Im sure the dust equivilent of this weapon would pentrate armour and shields and kill the crew. Or simple penetrate the reactor and cause a catacrophic explosion.

The truth is most actual anti-tank weapons can disable a tank with a single to a handful of direct hits.

While I know dust 514 isn't the real world it is meant to simulate a world of advanced technology. If you use today as an analog its suggestes offensive technology has fallen way behind defensive.

yet they do rain down like skittles, more so in PC matches.