You nerds are worse than women.

You misogynists are too obvious in your trolling.

Dont dismiss the fact that you nerds are worse than women by saying im trolling.

I am dismissing the accusation because "worse than women" contains a false premise.

Spero asked Quick why he was defending against Imp attacks when he should be attacking cronos their common enemy.

I don't know if spero is complete drooling imbecile or if this is the worst meta ever conceived....which also points to him being a complete drooling imbecile.

Sounds like someones a space virgin and has a man crush on Quickgloves.

Disclaimer: I am a member of Negative Feedback so there's a risk of having a pro-Kane bias.

Because I can't see where the "Kane lies" upset is coming from.

In my reading, Kane approached the discussion with a tone that betrayed a position of power. Clearly, in his assessment, there was no risk in bluntly stating that things either go his way or STB gets wiped off the map. While in such a position, the only options left available to the losing party are to surrender what the stronger party wants to lessen suffering and appease the attacking party, or gamble on being able to muster a defence.

Kane came in and very directly asked about STB's diplomatic position. The only reason not to be so blunt about such a thing is if you have any fear of your opponent or wish them not to know your objectives. Kane is very clear that his objective is to hold land on "SVER Prime". "Your planet is a gateway. Since it wasn't being used to attack it needed to change hands."

Quickgloves misjudges his position because he is totally politically incompetent and attempts to make demands. "we should meet on comms", "tell me who order the hit".
He provides no motivation for Kane to do so, so Kane does not, explaining that bad luck has simply placed STB as an obstacle between NF and its objectives.

Quickgloves continues to misunderstand his position and tries to weasel further details out of Kane, "so Imps attacked in order to try and effect Cronos". Kane has no motivation to provide this information. A clever diplomat would have understood this and avoided looking like a weasel by not asking. Kane simply replies that Quickgloves is free to draw his own conclusions.

Quickgloves tries to malign Kane by explaining that CRONOS never attacked them but IMPs did, explaining the current hostilities. "if you wanted to secure the back door you could have come talked to me", "the proper way to handle things diplomatically". What Quickgloves fails to understand is that, modesty discarded, conquest of SVER prime was inevitable from the moment NF decided they wanted it. It was more a question of time and nobody considers Quickgloves to be capable of the swift and efficient diplomacy that would have made a conversation a worthwhile way to approach.

Kane explains "Well, your options are lose SVER Prime or make war to the south with the rest of Molden Heath."
Some will attempt to frame this as bullying. It is a simple statement of fact made by someone who gains nothing from talking about that fact that if he wants SVER Prime, he can have it.

Then comes one of the major sources of upset.

Kane explains "We really only want 4 districts". "This would be an official NAP with IMP. We would also give back the districts after the campaign. Otherwise we will launch a massive attack and clear you by this weekend."

This is a very simple proposition. Surrender or die.

Quickgloves responds in proper tactless form and calls Kane annoying, says he has a terrible way of negotiating, then calls him Hitler (lol). He then leaves the conversation.

Protip: If you are in a helpless position and yoru adversary offers you a way out, but instead you say you don't like that their style involves being mean to you, that you find them annoying and compare them to a mass murderer... they may not believe that you have accepted their mercy.

Bit of background. Quickgloves then ran to SI and attempted to find a way to meet NF with military force. If the personal attack before leaving the negotiations wasn't a dismissal of the offer, plotting combat certainly was.

But lo! He comes back into the chat, surprised that "just four districts" seems to be off the table! "so what happend to only 4 distircts?", "thought u made an offer?"

SERIOUSLY?

The chat then becomes less relevant. (If there's any stuff in this bit I skip that frames Kane in a bad light, point it out, I'm not intentionally skipping it)

We return to the conversation with Kane explaining that if STB leave Meildolf, hostilities will cease. Quickgloves misunderstands his position and tries to negotiate a more favourable deal. Then he makes threats that he can force an ISK war. Kane explains very bluntly that "That's fine if you don't agree will take your planet anyways.", "The facts are you have an option to vacate that will allow us to work in the future."

Quickgloves declines this offer and makes further impotent threads to align with NF enemies. Then he tries to lecture Kane on diplomacy.

Kane asks what he wants in compensation for the districts. 50 for each district is the sum arrived at. This is agreed upon.

Quickgloves then maintained his "third party attacks my districts to lock them from IMPs" strategy. He logged out of Skype and returned to Enjin and DUST to talk **** about NF. None of this "slow walk NF" strategy appeared to be his commitment to the arrangement. Sometimes negotiations fall apart. Neither party believed the other was fulfilling their side of the deal.

Then the chat ends with Quickgloves sending a leading, accusation-heavy message, failing to provide any response that occurred, and then following up his "Quickgloves gets the last word" post with a "Quickgloves gets the last word twice" editorial. Stay classy, DustersBlog.

so many imps rushing to defend Kane I guess this ne really got your panties in a bunch. You guys are like scrambling right now. lol enjoy the newly renamed Regnums toilet hopefully one day I can stage a massive reinvasion an reclaim it other wise wish my personal life had not detained me as much could have gotten more fights for you but GF an GN see you on the next district!

considering i have a Poli Sci degree; QG through this affair thought he had a "choice", he didnt. IT was either leave or be destroyed. Kane listened, and gave him his option (though ultimatum would be better word choice); QG kept trying for have a deal to "benefit" him. The problem is, in politics/war when you have the weak hand, there isn't much you can do to negoicaite, as if you are losing, the stronger person can just take what they want.

I'll be nice to Kane and say he was diplomatic; if it was me; QG would of been offered a much different type of deal. Ill leave it at that

Dont dismiss the fact that you nerds are worse than women by saying im trolling.

so many imps rushing to defend Kane I guess this ne really got your panties in a bunch. You guys are like scrambling right now. lol enjoy the newly renamed Regnums toilet hopefully one day I can stage a massive reinvasion an reclaim it other wise wish my personal life had not detained me as much could have gotten more fights for you but GF an GN see you on the next district!

Calling people virgins in a gaming forum is classic

Make sure to spam that in every thread or else you just seem like a Imp hater.

Nerds?

Clearly it was a pride issue that kept quickgloves from folding his hand and cutting his losses. There are numerous battles throughout this war, and sometimes it is better to know when to subside and regroup rather than fight a battle that is untimely going to result in far greater losses than those initially imposed.

If it were me..I would have taken the initial offer. The ISK plus not having the loss of moral among members would have been a far greater payout than the inevitable defeat that "SVER Prime" along with its players encountered.

BUT..evidently QG isn't the brightest crayon in the box when it comes to diplomacy.

You nerds are worse than women.

lol, yeah; QG should be thankful it was Kane he was dealing w/ and not me; as he would never of gotten a deal like that from me

tbh, nothing's worse than women...

I like Spacenerds to be exact, their cute.

I like Spacenerds to be exact, their cute.

Where did he ask Quickgloves why he was defending against IMP attacks?

shouldn't this be in your own private forums? This is just spam.

You must be new kane is awesome and one of the few imps who is nice and I've yet to see him troll though I'd like to see him troll he has done more for this community than anyone else

You nerds are worse than women.

Haven't you heard?

This is the legendary META!

You misogynists are too obvious in your trolling.

Nothing like writing an essay for an hour on the forums.

You nerds are worse than women.

Hey! That's like saying you women are worse than nerds! Oh wait...

It's a discussion of a leading DustersBlog post which was posted on these forums.

Dusters might not believe in right of reply but it's going to happen anyway.

Nothing like writing an essay for an hour on the forums.

no one cares about your dork fight

Those who don't can avoid the thread. Those who do are posting in it.

That's how forums work, brah.

You have, what I like to call: The Wookie calling the Klingon a nerd syndrome.


The story goes "a man walks into a star trek convention dressed as a wookie and says to his friend "would you look at all these nerds". Kevin Smith came up with that. Its so true.

Normally nerds call each other nerds all the time and thats fine.

But you seem to be under the impression that somehow you are not a nerd.

When you are infact posting on this internet space soldier forum. Moralising about inferior we are for taking an interest.

I say to you good sir, its okay, you can let out your inner nerd. Embrace the drama, embrace the politics, embrace the game enforce roleplaying.

The game is 1000 times better if you do.

Thats the great thing about CCP, they make the drama meaningful. Unlike other games, were the drama is the result of some off the cuff remark about having sex with someones disabled sister.

90% of the replies are people making fun of this thread. The other 10% are people from the corps involved.

Spam thread is spam. At best, it belongs in the war room.

It's getting so old reading about this every day. Stop this stupid war already.

It's getting so old reading about this every day.

We tried and got our faces spat on.

Yeah this...and reading the OP makes me think otherwise.

If imps are "in a position of power" then they don't need to reach out. They could simply stop attacking.

...

And yes with two sentences I just shredded the OPs wall of text into tiny squares for the trash.

I don't know if Spero is lying but the OP definitely is.

We tried and got our faces spat on.

collectively? Thats a lot of individual spitting otherwise.

O wow - you're quickgloves. Bro - you should of just came forward - your main banned or what? No wonder you only post on these kinds of threads.

YES!!!

I am quickglove!!!

It is I ruler of sver and i command my troops to disband and stop giving money to CCP and to send your password info for any PSN alt accounts with 8 million or more SP to me!!!!....me hooc order not quickglove i hate that account and never read my mail on it.

Also i am a terrible writer and should never try to motivate anyone using words ever.

Furthermore MAG sucks and i should never have wasted those 3 years playing it.

Yeah this...and reading the OP makes me think otherwise.

If imps are "in a position of power" then they don't need to reach out. They could simply stop attacking.

...

And yes with two sentences I just shredded the OPs wall of text into tiny squares for the trash.

I don't know if Spero is lying but the OP definitely is.

collectively? Thats a lot of individual spitting otherwise.

I can confirm that Quickgloves found each of us specifically for the purpose of spitting in our faces.

While upsetting, I cannot deny that it was logistically impressive.

You do realise there's a button that lets you tell the people who have that power your opinion on the matter?

Posting it in the thread is off topic and trolling, plain and simple.

You're lashing out at me because you tried and failed to find the reference that would solidify your argument.

Incorrect. I am lashing out because it is somewhat entertaining, your corp leader is nauseating, I am frustrated i can't kill you all but CCPs lame SP/leveling grind bars me from it, IMPS and Sver's and whole crap load of farmville in space fairies are being carried by that same SP/leveling system despite being sub-par FPS players, DUST is a broken game, and I am what I am.

I like how most of your troubles are based on your blatant DunningGÇôKruger syndrome.

Impossible to tell. We shall see.

How good are you with an alt with 1 to 2 million SP against players with 10 million?

Erm, that's pretty much how I play all the time. Most of the bugginess is to be found in the skill progression between those lower level and I'm still all about beta testing.

I pretty much only play as Mith for PC.

Also, it's a lot easier to infiltrate a corp as a new character if you're playing as that noob every day.

EDIT: As for how good, I'm considering making a game out of writing words down the KDR leaderboards. Most DUST players are bad.

Not to mention the leaderboards are bad.

Firstly thank you for posting this in an articulate and well reasoned manner.

while I don't think negotiations were perfect on either side, I will say that neither person is a diplomat by trade and these things happen.

idle and not so idle threats aside

Kane coming from a position on high isn't necessarily a good thing in this case. though he may very well have earned it. starting off negotiations from a position of superiority is unsavory. it's the sort of thing that makes the other person just wanna spite you which is naturally not the goal of a negotiation.

for me at least the negotiation boiled down to this: give us you districts and future channels might open or we will take your districts

well what is the value of the proposed future channels? is good (is it good?) footing with the imps worth it? STB loses the districts either way why wouldn't STB fight it out? also there is the question of the safety of future STB districts which Kane not-so-tactfully avoids, that was a major point of the negotiations, vaugeries like "there is a cool down" wont cut it, specifics were required. why would STB give up it's districts if the new ones earned were subject to the same fate a week later?

then there was the contract set at 50 mill a district, an answer was needed here. a polite no would have been fine really but some answer or written decline of the propose terms was necessary.

mistakes were made on both sides of the table. putting yourself in your enemies shoes might make their motives clear.


I'm no expert and i might have missed something if so please point it out,
ko6

Firstly thank you for posting this in an articulate and well reasoned manner.

while I don't think negotiations were perfect on either side, I will say that neither person is a diplomat by trade and these things happen.

idle and not so idle threats aside

Kane coming from a position on high isn't necessarily a good thing in this case. though he may very well have earned it. starting off negotiations from a position of superiority is unsavory. it's the sort of thing that makes the other person just wanna spite you which is naturally not the goal of a negotiation.

for me at least the negotiation boiled down to this: give us you districts and future channels might open or we will take your districts

well what is the value of the proposed future channels? is good (is it good?) footing with the imps worth it? STB loses the districts either way why wouldn't STB fight it out? also there is the question of the safety of future STB districts which Kane not-so-tactfully avoids, that was a major point of the negotiations, vaugeries like "there is a cool down" wont cut it, specifics were required. why would STB give up it's districts if the new ones earned were subject to the same fate a week later?

then there was the contract set at 50 mill a district, an answer was needed here. a polite no would have been fine really but some answer or written decline of the propose terms was necessary.

mistakes were made on both sides of the table. putting yourself in your enemies shoes might make their motives clear.


I'm no expert and i might have missed something if so please point it out,
ko6

By tom cruises hairline dude, quit this already. "STB"
"STB blah"
"blah blah STB"
"Imperfects"
"blah imperfects blah"

"YOUR MOTHER IS A CANCEROUS *****" ~STB and Imperfects.

It's getting so old reading about this every day. Stop this stupid war already.

Firstly thank you for posting this in an articulate and well reasoned manner.

while I don't think negotiations were perfect on either side, I will say that neither person is a diplomat by trade and these things happen.

idle and not so idle threats aside

Kane coming from a position on high isn't necessarily a good thing in this case. though he may very well have earned it. starting off negotiations from a position of superiority is unsavory. it's the sort of thing that makes the other person just wanna spite you which is naturally not the goal of a negotiation.

for me at least the negotiation boiled down to this: give us you districts and future channels might open or we will take your districts

well what is the value of the proposed future channels? is good (is it good?) footing with the imps worth it? STB loses the districts either way why wouldn't STB fight it out? also there is the question of the safety of future STB districts which Kane not-so-tactfully avoids, that was a major point of the negotiations, vaugeries like "there is a cool down" wont cut it, specifics were required. why would STB give up it's districts if the new ones earned were subject to the same fate a week later?

then there was the contract set at 50 mill a district, an answer was needed here. a polite no would have been fine really but some answer or written decline of the propose terms was necessary.

mistakes were made on both sides of the table. putting yourself in your enemies shoes might make their motives clear.


I'm no expert and i might have missed something if so please point it out,
ko6

The districts were to be given back once our uses for them were over if I'm reading the script right - it wasn't about setting up a proper relationship with STB - both sides knew that to be impossible from the level of egos involved. The point was so to quicken things - but QG stalled and insulted. At worst we would of given the districts contractors wanted and left - where you guys would have to deal with the new-comers by diplomacy or strong-arming them.

So there would of been no threat of re-imp invasion. But you guys forget we're a merc group first - if someone paid us enough you would be in jeopardy again - but so would any corp in PC. That's just how it is. You asking for a perma-defense from Imps is simply not possible. A grace period is the best that can be offered. And it would of been of pretty good length of time period too.

Everything would of been fine if QG hadn't opened his big mouth and insulted us where he thought we weren't looking. The Rap song didn't help much either. Imps are reasonable - until you "Spit" in there face as QG so elegantly puts it.

Who doesn't love a little nerd drama.

Wouldn't this be what everyone calls 'metagaming'?

I'm simply working off the transcripts, your internal plans aren't up for debate as they can't be proven unless you have timestamped chat logs verified by 2 or more independent sources. If you have that feel free to bring them forward. the negotiations open with kane stating he only wants 4 districts... holy sh*t this is like the opening of WWII with you playing the part of gremany... historical parallels aside. no proof has been brought to validate your claim and it will be dismissed.

[7:58:26 PM] Kane Spero: The facts are you have an option to vacate that will allow us to work in the future.

leaving my previous statement intact.

What you fail to see in all this is that it wasn't negotiations and it wasn't diplomatic. What mistakes? It was simply kain telling QG he had 2 options which were: Get out or Get out.

We all know QG persona and intelligence level do you really think kain went into that discussion with any expectations? We planned to attack and never changed course. Kain used the small window between our districts unlocking and us attacking to offer QG a way out. QG didn't take him up on it and that as they say is history

So on a brighter note, What are the IMP's thinking of naming SVER PRIME after they wipe STB off of it?

So why did you guys even bother having this 'discussion' with QG?

If you want it take it! Diplomacy is for pussies! Enjoy tea and a chat, sure beats playing an FPS.

Who doesn't love a little nerd drama.

Wouldn't this be what everyone calls 'metagaming'?