I can confirm that Quickgloves found each of us specifically for the purpose of spitting in our faces.

While upsetting, I cannot deny that it was logistically impressive.

You do realise there's a button that lets you tell the people who have that power your opinion on the matter?

Posting it in the thread is off topic and trolling, plain and simple.

You're lashing out at me because you tried and failed to find the reference that would solidify your argument.

Incorrect. I am lashing out because it is somewhat entertaining, your corp leader is nauseating, I am frustrated i can't kill you all but CCPs lame SP/leveling grind bars me from it, IMPS and Sver's and whole crap load of farmville in space fairies are being carried by that same SP/leveling system despite being sub-par FPS players, DUST is a broken game, and I am what I am.

I like how most of your troubles are based on your blatant DunningGÇôKruger syndrome.

Impossible to tell. We shall see.

How good are you with an alt with 1 to 2 million SP against players with 10 million?

Erm, that's pretty much how I play all the time. Most of the bugginess is to be found in the skill progression between those lower level and I'm still all about beta testing.

I pretty much only play as Mith for PC.

Also, it's a lot easier to infiltrate a corp as a new character if you're playing as that noob every day.

EDIT: As for how good, I'm considering making a game out of writing words down the KDR leaderboards. Most DUST players are bad.

Not to mention the leaderboards are bad.

Firstly thank you for posting this in an articulate and well reasoned manner.

while I don't think negotiations were perfect on either side, I will say that neither person is a diplomat by trade and these things happen.

idle and not so idle threats aside

Kane coming from a position on high isn't necessarily a good thing in this case. though he may very well have earned it. starting off negotiations from a position of superiority is unsavory. it's the sort of thing that makes the other person just wanna spite you which is naturally not the goal of a negotiation.

for me at least the negotiation boiled down to this: give us you districts and future channels might open or we will take your districts

well what is the value of the proposed future channels? is good (is it good?) footing with the imps worth it? STB loses the districts either way why wouldn't STB fight it out? also there is the question of the safety of future STB districts which Kane not-so-tactfully avoids, that was a major point of the negotiations, vaugeries like "there is a cool down" wont cut it, specifics were required. why would STB give up it's districts if the new ones earned were subject to the same fate a week later?

then there was the contract set at 50 mill a district, an answer was needed here. a polite no would have been fine really but some answer or written decline of the propose terms was necessary.

mistakes were made on both sides of the table. putting yourself in your enemies shoes might make their motives clear.


I'm no expert and i might have missed something if so please point it out,
ko6

Firstly thank you for posting this in an articulate and well reasoned manner.

while I don't think negotiations were perfect on either side, I will say that neither person is a diplomat by trade and these things happen.

idle and not so idle threats aside

Kane coming from a position on high isn't necessarily a good thing in this case. though he may very well have earned it. starting off negotiations from a position of superiority is unsavory. it's the sort of thing that makes the other person just wanna spite you which is naturally not the goal of a negotiation.

for me at least the negotiation boiled down to this: give us you districts and future channels might open or we will take your districts

well what is the value of the proposed future channels? is good (is it good?) footing with the imps worth it? STB loses the districts either way why wouldn't STB fight it out? also there is the question of the safety of future STB districts which Kane not-so-tactfully avoids, that was a major point of the negotiations, vaugeries like "there is a cool down" wont cut it, specifics were required. why would STB give up it's districts if the new ones earned were subject to the same fate a week later?

then there was the contract set at 50 mill a district, an answer was needed here. a polite no would have been fine really but some answer or written decline of the propose terms was necessary.

mistakes were made on both sides of the table. putting yourself in your enemies shoes might make their motives clear.


I'm no expert and i might have missed something if so please point it out,
ko6

By tom cruises hairline dude, quit this already. "STB"
"STB blah"
"blah blah STB"
"Imperfects"
"blah imperfects blah"

"YOUR MOTHER IS A CANCEROUS *****" ~STB and Imperfects.

It's getting so old reading about this every day. Stop this stupid war already.

Firstly thank you for posting this in an articulate and well reasoned manner.

while I don't think negotiations were perfect on either side, I will say that neither person is a diplomat by trade and these things happen.

idle and not so idle threats aside

Kane coming from a position on high isn't necessarily a good thing in this case. though he may very well have earned it. starting off negotiations from a position of superiority is unsavory. it's the sort of thing that makes the other person just wanna spite you which is naturally not the goal of a negotiation.

for me at least the negotiation boiled down to this: give us you districts and future channels might open or we will take your districts

well what is the value of the proposed future channels? is good (is it good?) footing with the imps worth it? STB loses the districts either way why wouldn't STB fight it out? also there is the question of the safety of future STB districts which Kane not-so-tactfully avoids, that was a major point of the negotiations, vaugeries like "there is a cool down" wont cut it, specifics were required. why would STB give up it's districts if the new ones earned were subject to the same fate a week later?

then there was the contract set at 50 mill a district, an answer was needed here. a polite no would have been fine really but some answer or written decline of the propose terms was necessary.

mistakes were made on both sides of the table. putting yourself in your enemies shoes might make their motives clear.


I'm no expert and i might have missed something if so please point it out,
ko6

The districts were to be given back once our uses for them were over if I'm reading the script right - it wasn't about setting up a proper relationship with STB - both sides knew that to be impossible from the level of egos involved. The point was so to quicken things - but QG stalled and insulted. At worst we would of given the districts contractors wanted and left - where you guys would have to deal with the new-comers by diplomacy or strong-arming them.

So there would of been no threat of re-imp invasion. But you guys forget we're a merc group first - if someone paid us enough you would be in jeopardy again - but so would any corp in PC. That's just how it is. You asking for a perma-defense from Imps is simply not possible. A grace period is the best that can be offered. And it would of been of pretty good length of time period too.

Everything would of been fine if QG hadn't opened his big mouth and insulted us where he thought we weren't looking. The Rap song didn't help much either. Imps are reasonable - until you "Spit" in there face as QG so elegantly puts it.

Who doesn't love a little nerd drama.

Wouldn't this be what everyone calls 'metagaming'?

I'm simply working off the transcripts, your internal plans aren't up for debate as they can't be proven unless you have timestamped chat logs verified by 2 or more independent sources. If you have that feel free to bring them forward. the negotiations open with kane stating he only wants 4 districts... holy sh*t this is like the opening of WWII with you playing the part of gremany... historical parallels aside. no proof has been brought to validate your claim and it will be dismissed.

[7:58:26 PM] Kane Spero: The facts are you have an option to vacate that will allow us to work in the future.

leaving my previous statement intact.

What you fail to see in all this is that it wasn't negotiations and it wasn't diplomatic. What mistakes? It was simply kain telling QG he had 2 options which were: Get out or Get out.

We all know QG persona and intelligence level do you really think kain went into that discussion with any expectations? We planned to attack and never changed course. Kain used the small window between our districts unlocking and us attacking to offer QG a way out. QG didn't take him up on it and that as they say is history

So on a brighter note, What are the IMP's thinking of naming SVER PRIME after they wipe STB off of it?

So why did you guys even bother having this 'discussion' with QG?

If you want it take it! Diplomacy is for pussies! Enjoy tea and a chat, sure beats playing an FPS.

Who doesn't love a little nerd drama.

Wouldn't this be what everyone calls 'metagaming'?