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Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1974
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:59:00 -
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Disclaimer: I am a member of Negative Feedback so there's a risk of having a pro-Kane bias.
Because I can't see where the "Kane lies" upset is coming from.
In my reading, Kane approached the discussion with a tone that betrayed a position of power. Clearly, in his assessment, there was no risk in bluntly stating that things either go his way or STB gets wiped off the map. While in such a position, the only options left available to the losing party are to surrender what the stronger party wants to lessen suffering and appease the attacking party, or gamble on being able to muster a defence.
Kane came in and very directly asked about STB's diplomatic position. The only reason not to be so blunt about such a thing is if you have any fear of your opponent or wish them not to know your objectives. Kane is very clear that his objective is to hold land on "SVER Prime". "Your planet is a gateway. Since it wasn't being used to attack it needed to change hands."
Quickgloves misjudges his position because he is totally politically incompetent and attempts to make demands. "we should meet on comms", "tell me who order the hit".
He provides no motivation for Kane to do so, so Kane does not, explaining that bad luck has simply placed STB as an obstacle between NF and its objectives.
Quickgloves continues to misunderstand his position and tries to weasel further details out of Kane, "so Imps attacked in order to try and effect Cronos". Kane has no motivation to provide this information. A clever diplomat would have understood this and avoided looking like a weasel by not asking. Kane simply replies that Quickgloves is free to draw his own conclusions.
Quickgloves tries to malign Kane by explaining that CRONOS never attacked them but IMPs did, explaining the current hostilities. "if you wanted to secure the back door you could have come talked to me", "the proper way to handle things diplomatically". What Quickgloves fails to understand is that, modesty discarded, conquest of SVER prime was inevitable from the moment NF decided they wanted it. It was more a question of time and nobody considers Quickgloves to be capable of the swift and efficient diplomacy that would have made a conversation a worthwhile way to approach.
Kane explains "Well, your options are lose SVER Prime or make war to the south with the rest of Molden Heath."
Some will attempt to frame this as bullying. It is a simple statement of fact made by someone who gains nothing from talking about that fact that if he wants SVER Prime, he can have it.
Then comes one of the major sources of upset.
Kane explains "We really only want 4 districts". "This would be an official NAP with IMP. We would also give back the districts after the campaign. Otherwise we will launch a massive attack and clear you by this weekend."
This is a very simple proposition. Surrender or die.
Quickgloves responds in proper tactless form and calls Kane annoying, says he has a terrible way of negotiating, then calls him Hitler (lol). He then leaves the conversation.
Protip: If you are in a helpless position and yoru adversary offers you a way out, but instead you say you don't like that their style involves being mean to you, that you find them annoying and compare them to a mass murderer... they may not believe that you have accepted their mercy.
Bit of background. Quickgloves then ran to SI and attempted to find a way to meet NF with military force. If the personal attack before leaving the negotiations wasn't a dismissal of the offer, plotting combat certainly was.
But lo! He comes back into the chat, surprised that "just four districts" seems to be off the table! "so what happend to only 4 distircts?", "thought u made an offer?"
SERIOUSLY?
The chat then becomes less relevant. (If there's any stuff in this bit I skip that frames Kane in a bad light, point it out, I'm not intentionally skipping it)
We return to the conversation with Kane explaining that if STB leave Meildolf, hostilities will cease. Quickgloves misunderstands his position and tries to negotiate a more favourable deal. Then he makes threats that he can force an ISK war. Kane explains very bluntly that "That's fine if you don't agree will take your planet anyways.", "The facts are you have an option to vacate that will allow us to work in the future."
Quickgloves declines this offer and makes further impotent threads to align with NF enemies. Then he tries to lecture Kane on diplomacy.
Kane asks what he wants in compensation for the districts. 50 for each district is the sum arrived at. This is agreed upon.
Quickgloves then maintained his "third party attacks my districts to lock them from IMPs" strategy. He logged out of Skype and returned to Enjin and DUST to talk **** about NF. None of this "slow walk NF" strategy appeared to be his commitment to the arrangement. Sometimes negotiations fall apart. Neither party believed the other was fulfilling their side of the deal.
Then the chat ends with Quickgloves sending a leading, accusation-heavy message, failing to provide any response that occurred, and then following up his "Quickgloves gets the last word" post with a "Quickgloves gets the last word twice" editorial. Stay classy, DustersBlog. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1974
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:02:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:You nerds are worse than women.
You misogynists are too obvious in your trolling. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1974
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:05:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:You nerds are worse than women. You misogynists are too obvious in your trolling. Dont dismiss the fact that you nerds are worse than women by saying im trolling.
I am dismissing the accusation because "worse than women" contains a false premise. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1974
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:14:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Spero asked Quick why he was defending against Imp attacks when he should be attacking cronos their common enemy.
I don't know if spero is complete drooling imbecile or if this is the worst meta ever conceived....which also points to him being a complete drooling imbecile.
Where did he ask Quickgloves why he was defending against IMP attacks? |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1974
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:36:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:You nerds are worse than women. You misogynists are too obvious in your trolling. Dont dismiss the fact that you nerds are worse than women by saying im trolling. I am dismissing the accusation because "worse than women" contains a false premise. Sounds like someones a space virgin and has a man crush on Quickgloves.
Confirmed. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1976
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:49:00 -
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ZE DUKE wrote:so many imps rushing to defend Kane I guess this ne really got your panties in a bunch. You guys are like scrambling right now. lol enjoy the newly renamed Regnums toilet hopefully one day I can stage a massive reinvasion an reclaim it other wise wish my personal life had not detained me as much could have gotten more fights for you but GF an GN see you on the next district!
Are you new to the forums? IMPs swarm over every thread ever and our panties are always bunch-free and comfortable. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1976
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:20:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:shouldn't this be in your own private forums? This is just spam.
It's a discussion of a leading DustersBlog post which was posted on these forums.
Dusters might not believe in right of reply but it's going to happen anyway. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1976
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:21:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:hooc order wrote:Spero asked Quick why he was defending against Imp attacks when he should be attacking cronos their common enemy.
I don't know if spero is complete drooling imbecile or if this is the worst meta ever conceived....which also points to him being a complete drooling imbecile. Where did he ask Quickgloves why he was defending against IMP attacks? http://dustmercs.blogspot.com/2013/06/gnn-acquires-secret-stb-imps-transcripts.html
Thanks. Quote the exact line, though. I didn't see any criticism of the fact that Quickgloves was responding to IMP attacks with a defence. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1977
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:38:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:You nerds are worse than women. You misogynists are too obvious in your trolling. Nothing like writing an essay for an hour on the forums.
I'm going to make a conscious effort not to judge you for thinking an hour is a reasonable length of time to type out a single post within the character limit on these forums. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1979
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:47:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Baal Roo wrote:shouldn't this be in your own private forums? This is just spam. It's a discussion of a leading DustersBlog post which was posted on these forums. Dusters might not believe in right of reply but it's going to happen anyway. no one cares about your dork fight
Those who don't can avoid the thread. Those who do are posting in it.
That's how forums work, brah. |
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Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1979
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Posted - 2013.06.07 00:16:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Baal Roo wrote:shouldn't this be in your own private forums? This is just spam. It's a discussion of a leading DustersBlog post which was posted on these forums. Dusters might not believe in right of reply but it's going to happen anyway. no one cares about your dork fight Those who don't can avoid the thread. Those who do are posting in it. That's how forums work, brah. 90% of the replies are people making fun of this thread. The other 10% are people from the corps involved. Spam thread is spam. At best, it belongs in the war room.
You do realise there's a button that lets you tell the people who have that power your opinion on the matter?
Posting it in the thread is off topic and trolling, plain and simple. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1979
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Posted - 2013.06.07 00:21:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:It's getting so old reading about this every day.
You understand that Quickgloves decided to give DustersBlog a doctored chat log to fuel his agenda against the IMPs.
It's a shame that his corp is getting carried along for the ride. You guys could have been something awesome. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1979
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Posted - 2013.06.07 00:50:00 -
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hooc order wrote:
Yeah this...and reading the OP makes me think otherwise.
If imps are "in a position of power" then they don't need to reach out. They could simply stop attacking.
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And yes with two sentences I just shredded the OPs wall of text into tiny squares for the trash.
I don't know if Spero is lying but the OP definitely is.
You're lashing out at me because you tried and failed to find the reference that would solidify your argument. That's okay, I forgive you.
Why would IMPs stop attacking while in a position of power? I think you misunderstand the terms being used here. Explain what motivation we have to stop attacking? We reached out to bring a swifter resolution to the war than our defeating STB in combat provided. Both STB and IMPs had aims that could be met by this conversation. STB, presumably, would like to not suffer from crippling morale issues because they lose at DUST every day. IMPs interests were to secure the districts as soon as possible.
So a conversation was had about whether a deal could be made. In any bargain, one side holds more power. Kane was that part in the discussion we're looking at here. When Quickgloves failed to appreciate that fact, the position of power was proven by soundly thrashing his members until they just totally stopped playing.
Why are you so dishonest? If the truth doesn't support your argument, just give up. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1979
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Posted - 2013.06.07 00:52:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:We tried and got our faces spat on.  collectively? Thats a lot of individual spitting otherwise.
I can confirm that Quickgloves found each of us specifically for the purpose of spitting in our faces.
While upsetting, I cannot deny that it was logistically impressive. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1980
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:21:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Quote:You're lashing out at me because you tried and failed to find the reference that would solidify your argument. Incorrect. I am lashing out because it is somewhat entertaining, your corp leader is nauseating, I am frustrated i can't kill you all but CCPs lame SP/leveling grind bars me from it, IMPS and Sver's and whole crap load of farmville in space fairies are being carried by that same SP/leveling system despite being sub-par FPS players, DUST is a broken game, and I am what I am.
You forgot to add "I tried and failed to find the reference that would solidify my argument".
I like how most of your troubles are based on your blatant DunningGÇôKruger syndrome. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1980
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:47:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:
I like how most of your troubles are based on your blatant DunningGÇôKruger syndrome.
Impossible to tell. We shall see. How good are you with an alt with 1 to 2 million SP against players with 10 million?
Erm, that's pretty much how I play all the time. Most of the bugginess is to be found in the skill progression between those lower level and I'm still all about beta testing.
I pretty much only play as Mith for PC.
Also, it's a lot easier to infiltrate a corp as a new character if you're playing as that noob every day. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1981
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:54:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Not to mention the leaderboards are bad.
They are so bad.
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Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1992
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Posted - 2013.06.07 21:00:00 -
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[quote=knight of 6I'm simply working off the transcripts, your internal plans aren't up for debate as they can't be proven unless you have timestamped chat logs verified by 2 or more independent sources.[/quote]
In that case, those transcripts are not evidence and can be dismissed unless you have them verified by 2 or more independent sources.
Good luck, because if I was one of those sources I would take issue with the parts I know to be doctored.
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