Rate of fire needs to be increased to 500 or so. The 400 cap is too low, and causes the gun to stutter if you press R1 too fast.

Also, if the reasoning behind the RoF nerf was to prohibit "modded" controllers, why leave the scrambler rifle as it is? Apparently, the heat build-up is based on time fired, not shots fired, so "modded" controllers can abuse this easily.

I've adapted to the GLU-5, it's not what it once was but it can still get you kills as long as you keep the enemy at arms reach.

The Duvolle TAR needs something though. It's identical to the GLU-5 but does 4 HP more damage per shot for a price tag that's 4 times as large.

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Spam auto fire on a controller, you're not getting off more than 11-14 rounds before you overheat.
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And have you seen anyone with a modded controller and a SCR? From what I've heard as recently as a couple days ago the overheat function is glitched allowing almost 1 1/2 clips to be unloaded without overheating.

The problem with the RoF cap is that while 400rpm is really hard to achieve consistently for the strain alone (i say impossible even), it is perfectly possible to dish out 10rps for one or two seconds. This leads to the perceived slowliness of the current tac although the RoF sounds reasonable on paper.

My take for a solution is a system akin to the overheat mechanic of the SCR wich allows for four or five shots at max before the weapon starts to limit the firerate in order to break modded controllers. That way people can fire as fast as they can for realisticly short bursts, allowing for the weapon to behave like it's namesake without giving modded controllers as much of a function.

I gotta say TAC AR nerf was okay on the whole. Not perfect, but okay.
And it is still definately usable.

The greatest thing about the nerf was that it affected the biggest issue - short to med range machinegunning while hipfiring.
Now, even tho the effect is working, the way it was done was a bit silly: just added random spread.
Extreme kick would've been better solution for a few reasons.

Not that current spread allows point blank machinegunning still, but in that situation TAC ARs don't trump like they used to other ranges. This is isn't that terrible..



The RoF nerf has a interesting effect few realised:
It makes autofiring TAC ARs very stable. At long range it is quite easy to hold reticle on target while shooting which wasn't the case before (ofc you could've tuned your autofire ROF to 400 but hey who does that...)
Scoping while autofiring now takes far less skill as you don't have to struggle to control the reticle (which was cool)

BTW, because of that, has anyone noticed how post-nerf TAC AR feels a bit like Breach AR of last summer? =P


TLDR;
@Those who say TAC AR is still OP: most important short to mid range nerf worked. at ranges15-40m TAC AR is at disadvantage.
@Those who say TAC AR is unusable: at mediumLong and Long range TAC AR is still beast. Autofiring now takes less skill while scoped. CQC point blank still works.

and it settles that "it kills me too fast" complaint.

It shouldn't be set as fast as you can push the button. It should be set as fast as someone could pull the trigger of a semi-auto rifle with a cycle of operations and recoil, while trying to keep it on target, which is closer to where it's at now.

I'm sorry but the TAC update is still depressing me. Why can't CCP handle this single fire AR like other games handle their single fire ARs. Never have I not been able to fire as quick as my finger desires. Why is CCP taking the easy way out on their fight against modded controllers? Hip fire nerf is completely understandable. Clip nerf is highly questionable. ROF nerf is still way too heavy. Why is this futuristic, space age single fire AR the slowest Single fire I've ever used in any game?

First of all how many years in the future is this weapon supposed to be? And we're still so limited by cycling weapon mechanics?
While at the same time, other fps games replicating real life weapons aren't held back by these mechanics? AND they seem to manage just fine. There's nothing wrong with wanting a single fire AR to fire as fast as you can personally push R1. That's how every single fire AR ive ever used has always worked. Why should dust be different?

I would like to see some rational discussion as to how a semi auto weapon should somehow be able to cycle so fast. For a balance standpoint explain why a semi auto weapon with very high damadge should also have a very high rate of fire and be usable on even entry level dropsuits and suffer no movement minus.
Before the nerf my biggest problem with a TAC AR is that it out damages the proto HMG which has several down points. The balance points to a heavy proto HMG are that you have to run a heavy dropsuit so your movement is slow and so is your turning. You dont get an equipment slot as a heavy.

I wonder how many people consider the clip size reduction is part of a CQC nerf.?

I would like to see some rational discussion as to how a semi auto weapon should somehow be able to cycle so fast. For a balance standpoint explain why a semi auto weapon with very high damadge should also have a very high rate of fire and be usable on even entry level dropsuits and suffer no movement minus.
Before the nerf my biggest problem with a TAC AR is that it out damages the proto HMG which has several down points. The balance points to a heavy proto HMG are that you have to run a heavy dropsuit so your movement is slow and so is your turning. You dont get an equipment slot as a heavy.

This is why the Breach AR is the last AR that needs to be properly balanced.
Pretty much ALL weapons with the "Breach" moniker are not CQC dominant, as their name implies they should be.

Breach Shotguns suck compared to standards.
Breach Scrambler Pistols are too slow compared to standards.
Breach Forge Guns stop you from moving... you won't breach anything if you can't move.
Breach SMGs are just suckier standard ARs.
Breach ARs are no different than the rest of the Breach family... they fail at their intended goal. Why? Because their RoF sucks donkey balls.

I'm a firm believer that high RoF weapons do, and always should dominate CQC (the Shotgun and Nova Knives being the only exceptions to this rule).

In fact, the entire "Breach" concept in Dust proves this. No one uses anything Breach in it's niche with total success. Higher RoF weapons always come out on top in CQC.
Don't get me wrong. This is NOT a bad thing. RoF should rule CQC, always.

That said, I really think Dust's Breach principle should be reviewed... Should Breach variants keep damage, and simply get superior RoF?

Should a Breach HMG with 5000 RPM RoF be introduced?
Should the Breach SMG be bumped up to 1200 RPM?
Should the Breach Scrambler be bumped up 700 RPM?
Should the Breach AR receive the old TAR's 789.5 RPM?

Before you say No, bare in mind, these weapons have significantly smaller magazine size. So a higher RoF means they kill faster, BUT their persistence is also reduced.
Before you say Yes, you have to think about the potential fallout to the other variants within that class. (e.g. ALL SMGs are CQC weapons. So if you just give the Breach SMG a huge RPM jump, the other ones are automatically obsolete.)

Breach is a touchy subject.... but the Breach weapons, especially the Breach AR need some review.

The Duvolle Tactical is a proto weapon and should be treated as such by its stats. There is no logical reason for the clip size to be the same as the GLU-5 TAC. Every other AR has a clip size increase from the base to proto levels and this should be carried down the line.

If the ROF is the main issue that Devs/players are seeing then consider how a real gun fires, pull the trigger fire a shot. This isn't doing 50 caliber style damage where we are getting one shot one kill deaths but rather a modded controller issue. 500 rpm would be an acceptable amount but 400rpm is easy to misfire while ADS or from hip fire as it is necessary to rapidly depress your trigger if you want to get a kill. If you either increased the damage by 40-60 or increased the ROF to 500 where it is possible to use a modded controller at the exact same speed a person can pull the trigger the balance would be fine.

As it is the Duvolle Tactical is now a pricey addition to my gun collection and won't be seeing a battlefield any time soon. It jamms too often for me to consider it as my weapon of choice any longer.

Also... you want game-breaking? How about the free murder taxis driving around? Where's the fix for that?

First of all how many years in the future is this weapon supposed to be? And we're still so limited by cycling weapon mechanics?
While at the same time, other fps games replicating real life weapons aren't held back by these mechanics? AND they seem to manage just fine. There's nothing wrong with wanting a single fire AR to fire as fast as you can personally push R1. That's how every single fire AR ive ever used has always worked. Why should dust be different?

Remove Free LAV's. Kinda simple....


Peace, Godin

Instead of crying over this why not look at THE SCRAMBLER RIFLE. This is the most balance i have seen in this game. Lazer's were OP in last build The TAC AR were OP I say GREAT JOB CCP :) Im not getting by the same gun over and over because a full squad of 6 use OP guns now. QQ that they nerfed ur OP as hell gun.

People like this are why this game is going lose a lot of its best players and soon you'll see nothing but heavies with ARs, caldari logi (super assaults), and death taxis. I bet he even uses nothing but a mass driver and a flaylock. The SCR takes way too much PG and F*** over heating and F*** sinking sp into another soon to be nerfed class.

I shouldn't have to change up my gaming style every time some noob wants to cry about dying too much and blame it on what ever weapon kills them the most. people crying "OP" WILL ruin this game. Before anyone can claim "OP" on Dust, they should be required to first familiarize themselves with the cut throat world of eve. There's always going to be someone with 5x your sp that's going to come along and destroy you no madder how much you cry "OP"

And people that justify the TAR nerf by saying the ROF emulates real gun mechanics. Go shoot real guns. This is a fantasy fps set in the FUTURE. So stop trying to apply the restraints of modern technology to Dust. it just makes you look silly.

and has nobody ever used a single fire AR in any other game? because every one ive ever used has pretty much worked the same way. THEY ALL FIRE AS FAST AS YOU CAN SHOOT. yet nobody cries about it there so why are dust players such babies about it? yeah the hip fire was way too accurate and it had a little too much power in each shot, but these problems could've been dealt with a lot more intelligently. plus, why is this the gun everyone wanted to attack? There are so many more important aspects of the game that need balancing. Because while everyone sits and QQs the TAR to death, there are people out there in full proto losing millions of ISK to death taxis and entry level mass drivers fresh out of the academy.

And people that justify the TAR nerf by saying the ROF emulates real gun mechanics. Go shoot real guns. This is a fantasy fps set in the FUTURE. So stop trying to apply the restraints of modern technology to Dust. it just makes you look silly.

and has nobody ever used a single fire AR in any other game? because every one ive ever used has pretty much worked the same way. THEY ALL FIRE AS FAST AS YOU CAN SHOOT.

I've adapted to the GLU-5, it's not what it once was but it can still get you kills as long as you keep the enemy at arms reach.

The Duvolle TAR needs something though. It's identical to the GLU-5 but does 4 HP more damage per shot for a price tag that's 4 times as large.