Logis... force em to fit either side arms or MD and all is well

No, you would still suck.
And my Flaylock would still be "OP", because you suck

Actually everything is subject to the nerf bat, its all in the question as to 'when'

I would like to inform you that you are in the list of the NERF hammer. That is likely to include most if not all races into the equation yes I am looking at you Caldari Logi, Gallente Logi and Minmatar Logi.

My magic eyes can already perceive threads of respecs, QQs and /sobs.

Based on what should those be nerfed?

Seriously, you had written 3 lines and those tells me nothing more then 0.

Please more details why you want them to be nerfed and how.

Im playing galente logistic and i want to undestand what is wrong with them?!

If they nerf logis they should give assaults the 2nd equipment slot back.

How the fuq does that make sense to you?

I'm guessing you meant "if they don't nerf logis"

The other day a player said I was rare. :,D....
not very many Amarr Logi's out there.

How the fuq does that make sense to you?

I'm guessing you meant "if they don't nerf logis"

Calogis are fine, a single std flux makes us 100% vulnerable.

We can stack all the shields in the world, but just ONE std flux puts us on our knees.

Stacking (or simply using) armor plates is mostly worthless, as we already have gimped movement speed which means assaults can out-strafe us easily. And when it comes to 1v1 gun-game, strafe speed is king. So adding more armor is just going to slow us down to a snails pace and really isn't a viable option.

Oh and did I forget to mention that I had to put something like 700-800k SP into catalyzers (advanced, not even proto) just so I can sprint as fast as the default speed of a assault? I can't even fit a single enhanced catalyzer on my proto suit without two PG boosters and one CPU. 3/4 of my low-power slots are taken up by PG/CPU enhancements, and I am level 4 on both electronics and engineering with plenty of other CPU/PG reducing core skills upgraded.

Calogis are fine, CCP just needs to give assaults back their second equipment slot on their proto suits.

No, I used to use the assault suit and I would revive teammates and provide ammo now, now using the assault suit I can only bring nanohives. The assault suits should have 2 equipment and logis 4, at least for the proto versions.

CCP Remnant is a logibro IIRC. I think we're safe. :P

Nope you caldari logis give all logis a bad name. Not sure why people would want the minmatar logi nerfed.

Hey I actually play a support role now, providing hives and uplinks for the team. Loading the objectives with remotes, laying down proxys for annoying LAV's, and I even have a setup for proto injectors and will have active scanners back soon too.

Yes I may kill stuff too, but I am playing more of a logi role than an assault slayer role, that's for darn sure. My KD has gone all to hell since I got this suit. Only way I top the leaderboards now, is with WP.

I would like to inform you that you are in the list of the NERF hammer. That is likely to include most if not all races into the equation yes I am looking at you Caldari Logi, Gallente Logi and Minmatar Logi.

My magic eyes can already perceive threads of respecs, QQs and /sobs.

Lets make the support class easier to fit and a better combat class then our combat classes

But, wouldn't everyone see how OP that is?

Nah man, just lower the base stats a little bit and no one will ever know

::evil CCP laughter::

Logi = low base stats, no sidearm, more CPU/PG, more slots

Assault = good base stats, sidearm, less CPU/PG, less slots

Logis aren't better assaults. If you think that, you don't know how to fit a suit.

I love how people bring up the lack of side arm as a "balancing" factor for the logi, when sidearms are really only good if you can't aim (need to finish off the enemy you failed to kill) or if you run out of ammo (lol hives?)

Really, all you have to do is look to the "top" players here, and you'll see many of them rolling logistics because they're statistically superior to Assaults in almost every way.

Actually everything is subject to the nerf bat, its all in the question as to 'when'

In that case, CCP should return suits and weapons relatively close to how they were in Chromosome. Suits and weapons weren't as imbalanced as they are now. The suit slot configurations and weapons all seemed fairly balanced.

Side arms are there to cover your main weapons weakness, but of course, you don't actually need one if you have an AR

I actually only just switched to ARs after a year of using every other weapon platform under DUSTs "many" suns



If you can't kill with your primary, you're doing it wrong :/

And a scrambler rifle user is supposed to kill an armor tanking heavy how exactly?

SMG, Flaylock, Grenade, none of those are primaries

Ever think that maybe a SR isn't supposed to kill an armor tanked heavy without stopping to reload once or twice?

Ever think that's what sidearms are for?

Oh FFS, fine, go use a swarm launcher without a sidearm and tell us they aren't useful.

I'm sure you're good enough to melee everyone to death.

Nope, I just roll with a squad, and don't spec into a suit that doesn't have a sidearm and is theoretically "designed for team support" when I want to go AV with a weapon that doesn't provide a use against enemy infantry.

So logis cant use swarms BECAUSE THEY LACK SIDE ARMS? Interesting, I thought they didn't give anything up

If your argument has to fall back on swarm launchers as to why logi's are balanced without a sidearm, and you think that's even serious enough to warrant being called an "argument", then I'm not particularly sure what to tell you

:/

You could switch it out with a sniper if you want

RE say what?

Good snipers don't need side arms because they coordinate with their squad and are usually placed in hard to reach spots with militia dropships before combat really gets under way

Too bad the drop ship will be rail/forge/swarmed before it arrives at its destination, and snipers trying to mountain climb will get picked off my anyone with an active scanner.

Your entire argument relies on "good players", such as yourself, who are so l33t that they don't need side-arms, cause y'know **** versatility, it's just a crutch

Amarr suits.

Many advantages? Their only perks are equipment and fitting versatility, because they have more slots, at the cost of base stats.

The Cal logi for instance: Without it's bonus, it needs 1 shield extender just to tie in EHP with a Cal Assault, they then both have 4 extenders left. The Cal logi is still slower and it still has less stamina.

So aside from it's equipment, and 1 extra low slot, what many advantages does it have?
This is of course ignoring their bonus.

Stamina and speed are very minor balancing factors

So... Scout suits... *shrug, walks away*

Updated OP for those players with weak minds, faulty brain processes or some disability and are not able to understand.

:)

If we look at High-Power the Logistics class is capable of stacking the same amount of damage mods or more than the Assault class while maintaining versatility.

Stacking penalties make anything past 3 pointless.

Updated OP for those players with weak minds, faulty brain processes or some disability and are not able to understand.

:)

You better be talking buff here

I made a summary because I thought that those players with weak minds, faulty brain processes or some disability are not able to read the whole text.

Fact GÇ£AGÇ¥ (Class Bonus)
The assault bonus is useless so I think logis should be nerfed and then I'm talking about something that should be in 'Fact "C" Slots'.

Fact GÇ£BGÇ¥ (CPU/PG)
CPU/PG stuff needs to change so logis can carry equipment but can't be a killer machine, but I'm not actually making a suggestion so instead I decided to troll everyone with a NERF.

Fact GÇ£CGÇ¥ Slots
Says logis can fit up like an assault because of more slots. Suddenly we can fit more damage mods than assaults and for some magical reason still have those slots to fit up like an assault.

Fact GÇ£DGÇ¥ (Equipment vs Sidearm)
Just some shaming of people that use sidearm. He fails to make a point.

Fact GÇ£EGÇ¥(Racial Bonuses)
Fails to mention Amar. No issues with Gallente and Minmatar. Some numbers on the Caldari suits. Still thinks it's cool to troll by saying all logis are going to be nerfed.

Summary of the summary:
This is a troll thread or just another Caldari logi is OP but I want to see all logis burn to hell.

So because the CaLogi is OP you want all of the logistics to suffer? That makes... a lot of sense? Your "trolling" just makes you look like another malinformed kiddie throwing the word OP around to anything and everything they see.

He's mocking the OP lol

So because the CaLogi is OP you want all of the logistics to suffer? That makes... a lot of sense? Your "trolling" just makes you look like another malinformed kiddie throwing the word OP around to anything and everything they see.

I think you missed the point...I was making a summary of GVGISDEADs post...unless this post was directed to him

Some people can't use their neurons... to actually read correctly who was posting it.

And some people can't do research before posting a nerf thread ::)

And some people can't do research before posting a nerf thread ::)

ead lasted when it was clearly a troll.

I didn't posted a nerf thread it is just an opinion and something likely to happen as it was stated to be under "monitoring" by the staff. If you cannot distinguish between a constructive suggestion and a biased opinion then I am amazed.

Although I am amazed the thread lasted when it was clearly a troll.

LOL

I blame Fiend

LetGÇÖs be honest there are three reasons to for a player to use a sidearm:
a)You fail at killing your target with your primary weapon. (you should feel bad and quit playing FPS)