Im getting tired and bored of running and hiding with my tank from simple infantry AV. And especially railgun snipers. Yet Railgun sniping is the the only way to sustain positive -áisk and it gets horribly boring sitting on a mountain 24/7. I have all Proto versions of all sizes of all turrets, so I have tried every kind of tank of method. The little HP and high damage tanks have is just a run n gun game, just with vehicles. AV wise we simply don't have our adv/proto HAVs yet so we can't compete with it. All this glass cannon crap is getting old and boring. No new fittings or strategies. The PG nerf was a stupid move and further limited the variety in tank fittings.Full Passive or full actice tanking is a joke with shield tanks because shield reps are inefficient, shield hardeners just don't give quite enough resistance, and shield regen modules are worthless. Enforcers are hardly worth it, some extra dmg and range with an extra slot at the expense of less CPU/PG, less acceleration and speed, and less HP. this is only a glorified glass cannon. Were are the real tanks?! I don't fragile crap I want giant science fiction tanks with all sorts of weaponry and modules that helps support teammates with cover and munitions while breaking through frontlines with unrivaled firepower and HP.

Logi Lav is your Proto HAV... duh!!

I've run out of fitting ideas for dropships too, honestly I've tried numerous sit-ups and have settled on the one that I think is best, but I'm still paper thin and ridiculously easy to kill.

glass cannon crap LOL.

wtf tanks are op as **** how do you even die in one?

OP? You're an idiot. My turret costs at least more than 10x your suit. And I can die from things the size of rats in 3 seconds. (AV grenades)-á

OP? You're an idiot. My turret costs at least more than 10x your suit. And I can die from things the size of rats in 3 seconds. (AV grenades)-á

It costs 10x, but you're in a tank and you should never die, so it doesn't really matter. Idk how you can get killed by nades when all you have to do is look at people and they die.

It costs 10x, but you're in a tank and you should never die, so it doesn't really matter. Idk how you can get killed by nades when all you have to do is look at people and they die.

Lai Dai says " Hello "

Lai Dai says " Hello "

says the guy who has never driven a tank.

The OP needs lessons in HAV piloting it seems. No amount of SP can compensate for skill, and I only bring this up because there are HAV pilots out there that cause me untold grief. Chief amongst them is a Sir Moede or something like that. He is always in the middle of the action in his tank, always getting tactical positions yet rarely not in a position to be immune from return AV fire himself.

Current good shield tanks can shrug off swarm missles like they are nothing, I don't know how they fare against FG because I don't use them.

OP gets a +1 for his desire to get into the action and tear **** up. He gets a -10 for the nonsense about shields being worthless.

The OP needs lessons in HAV piloting it seems. No amount of SP can compensate for skill, and I only bring this up because there are HAV pilots out there that cause me untold grief. Chief amongst them is a Sir Moede or something like that. He is always in the middle of the action in his tank, always getting tactical positions yet rarely not in a position to be immune from return AV fire himself.

Current good shield tanks can shrug off swarm missles like they are nothing, I don't know how they fare against FG because I don't use them.

OP gets a +1 for his desire to get into the action and tear **** up. He gets a -10 for the nonsense about shields being worthless.

Why would I need to drive a tank? I'm not a bad player I don't need to abuse broken mechanics in order to do well.

Did you know the most powerful weapon is a forge gun? More powerful than a compressed particle cannon railgun turret? Yeah they can look at you and kill you instantly. And me in many cases.Look at the numbers if you don't believe me.

you gotta keep in mind that having a brick tank that can 1shot infantry is going to raise a fit... though i do feel that the tanks have been severely neutered... i do feel a new balance needs to be achieved... but how... more hp means that you will HAVE to switch to a dedicated AV fit every time you see a tank, and then make the switch back to running infantry... which to a degree makes sense, but to spend 10 minutes as AV trying to take down a brick tank, even with a bad driver, the infantry are going to QQ HARD!

Why would I need to drive a tank? I'm not a bad player I don't need to abuse broken mechanics in order to do well.

Ya the fact that an AV weapon can 1 shot infantry is stupid. Too bad it's useless against tanks because tanks are OP and never die.

Quoting as a infantry man who QQs hard.

I now play as a dedicated AV player, it started off as an attempt to stem the tide of mlt lavs, and its great taking those mooks down. But after putting in serious time and SP in the field of AV to me it feels like HAV drivers feel they have the **** end of the stick. Sadly the dynamic is very different! Running AV means I have a pistol against the hoards of MG/Rifle maniacs out there while my primary weapon can mostly only force a HAV off the field instead of taking him out.

Sure mlt tanks go down, I would like to think its because I now know what am doing, getting tank kills can be very easy and satisfying when I do it solo. Against 1 good man in his HAV the story is different, am calling in squad members away from their duties for assistance, in certain circumstances am asking them to suicide weaker tanks to pull these guys into the open so I can finish them off. I ask other players to play the game differently in order to help me deal with 1 other guy. That isn't fair but its the way it is.

Its a strange dilemma where AV runners and HAV pilots both ask for more without taking into consideration the feelings and expectations of the other player. I truly feel that we do not have big enough servers to justify HAV in this current iteration of Dust. I enjoy fighting HAV pilots but I cant stand their tears. I have 500 ehp compared to their thousands, I have a meagre side arm to fight against the hoardes while I simultaneously take on my primary foe. How do we make this game so we all have what we want?

sort of what im thinking is something akin to a mobile wall rolling up providing cover for infantry to cross a killing field, while being able to provide 'effective' damage to opponents to deter other vehicles, primarily jeeps and close air support dropships

I think my biggest complaint as a HAV pilot is the lack of variety. You go shield or armor, then you spend the rest of your SP trying to lvl 5 in a handful of skills.

Going after a 700k SP lvl 5 skill for an extra 3% pg reduction to one specific module is boring as hell at a 3k-6kSP per match rate.

Give us some more diversity in skills. There are hardly any skills at all for turrets. Hell, nerf the turrets so that a full load of lvl 5 skills in rate of fire, overheating, tracking speed, and such bring their stats to current levels. Then buff the pg/hp of tanks and you've fixed 90% of the whining on both sides of the AV table.

Stop using the rank of the skill as an arbitrary SP sink, it just makes the progression rate slow and dull.

Stop using the rank of the skill as an arbitrary SP sink, it just makes the progression rate slow and dull.

I think what you are asking for will be delievered with the introduction of MAV. A hardenered APC that will be able to roll into fortified areas, perhaps it will be only equipped with 1 small turret but having high resistance and EHP so I can get to where it needs to go and deliever its payload then egress out of the hot zone. Whatever the specifics of its design am sure it will be much more than a LAV capable of ferrying more than 3 people.

As for HAV, I honestly hope they don't get more ehp. I would be in favour of them having more attack potential rather more defensive. I have seen them work, seen pilots go 25-0 and beyond with a blaster, the pilots know what they are doing and credit to their skill. They pose the proper threat level and warrant the proper response from the opposing team.

Imagine HAV getting a mlt lav boost? Just damn right aweful sounding.