Nobody seems to want to look at facts and whiners want to keep whining while trolls collect their tears. So coming from a long time lover of semi auto assault rifles even before dust, ihave to say. Yes the TAR was over powered but it was still handled the wrong way. Single fire ARs are meant to have high accuracy high range and regardless of modded controllers should still fire as fast as you pull the trigger. That's how they've always worked and yes people complain but they get over it. The whining could've easily been suppressed by lowering the damage and making a much wider hip fire dispersion. That would limit it to med/ long ranges while retaining its effectiveness. Instead they've made the prototype and advanced level TARs identical in every way except a slight increase in damage while keeping the proto almost 4x the price of the advanced. The ROF barely effects a modded controllers advantage while crippling legit players, and even if every bullet hits, the clip size limits you to a couple kills per clip. This is not a "fix" and only humors the casuals screaming "OP" everytime they get killed. CCP has never catered to these people before why should they start now?

Yes the TAR was over powered but it was still handled the wrong way. Single fire ARs are meant to have high accuracy high range and regardless of modded controllers should still fire as fast as you pull the trigger. That's how they've always worked and yes people complain but they get over it. The whining could've easily been suppressed by lowering the damage and making a much wider hip fire dispersion. That would limit it to med/ long ranges while retaining its effectiveness. Instead they've made the prototype and advanced level TARs identical in every way except a slight increase in damage while keeping the proto almost 4x the price of the advanced. The ROF barely effects a modded controllers advantage while crippling legit players, and even if every bullet hits, the clip size limits you to a couple kills per clip. This is not a "fix" and only humors the casuals screaming "OP" everytime they get killed. CCP has never catered to these people before why should they start now?

No one has a problem with them firing as fast as you can pull the trigger.

The issue was with the use of auxiliary hardware to force the weapon to fire far beyond what any human could do. I've seen video of the Tac AR firing just as fast as the full-auto version.

That had to be corrected because it was game-breaking, so we can once again thank the people that just have to find ways around playing the game the right way.

No one has a problem with them firing as fast as you can pull the trigger.

The issue was with the use of auxiliary hardware to force the weapon to fire far beyond what any human could do. I've seen video of the Tac AR firing just as fast as the full-auto version.

That had to be corrected because it was game-breaking, so we can once again thank the people that just have to find ways around playing the game the right way.

Well I don't see why everyone who used the tactical the "right" way has to suffer from it. Plus, that still doesn't change the fact that the duvolle costs almost 4x as much as the GLU and only has a slight damage increase which by the way is not worth the extra isk.

Link the video

Well I don't see why everyone who used the tactical the "right" way has to suffer from it. Plus, that still doesn't change the fact that the duvolle costs almost 4x as much as the GLU and only has a slight damage increase which by the way is not worth the extra isk.

If you were using it the "right" way (without modded controller to exploit the still to high RoF) you are not effected.

GLU-5 - 400 RPM

400/60 = 6.6

so you are telling me that you can pull the trigger faster than 6 - 7 times per second

ROTFLMMFAO

show me the videos of you sucking with it.

Link the video

No I'm saying that I used the tactical at mid/ long range and did find it a little over powered that the hip fire was so accurate. Which is why that's all they should've changed. It was balanced on everything except that. No reason to touch the ROF or clip size other then a holes with modded controllers. ROF and clip size should b returned And damage should be drastically lowered.

How am I saying lowering the ROF didn't effect my use of the weapon? I'm saying there was nothing wrong with the ROF and I have no idea how fast I can pull the trigger but apparently fast enough for the ROF nerf to frustrate me to the point of making a thread about it. And the clip size is rediculous. It's not a sniper rifle people. Stop trying to turn it into one.

Nobody seems to want to look at facts and whiners want to keep whining while trolls collect their tears. So coming from a long time lover of semi auto assault rifles even before dust, ihave to say. Yes the TAR was over powered but it was still handled the wrong way. Single fire ARs are meant to have high accuracy high range and regardless of modded controllers should still fire as fast as you pull the trigger. That's how they've always worked and yes people complain but they get over it. The whining could've easily been suppressed by lowering the damage and making a much wider hip fire dispersion. That would limit it to med/ long ranges while retaining its effectiveness. Instead they've made the prototype and advanced level TARs identical in every way except a slight increase in damage while keeping the proto almost 4x the price of the advanced. The ROF barely effects a modded controllers advantage while crippling legit players, and even if every bullet hits, the clip size limits you to a couple kills per clip. This is not a "fix" and only humors the casuals screaming "OP" everytime they get killed. CCP has never catered to these people before why should they start now?

Also why can't they just make the ROF block less intense? Such as the lowering it to emulate the amount of times the average person can pull it? Instead of making it slightly faster then a breach.

Nobody seems to want to look at facts and whiners want to keep whining while trolls collect their tears. So coming from a long time lover of semi auto assault rifles even before dust, ihave to say. Yes the TAR was over powered but it was still handled the wrong way. Single fire ARs are meant to have high accuracy high range and regardless of modded controllers should still fire as fast as you pull the trigger. That's how they've always worked and yes people complain but they get over it. The whining could've easily been suppressed by lowering the damage and making a much wider hip fire dispersion. That would limit it to med/ long ranges while retaining its effectiveness. Instead they've made the prototype and advanced level TARs identical in every way except a slight increase in damage while keeping the proto almost 4x the price of the advanced. The ROF barely effects a modded controllers advantage while crippling legit players, and even if every bullet hits, the clip size limits you to a couple kills per clip. This is not a "fix" and only humors the casuals screaming "OP" everytime they get killed. CCP has never catered to these people before why should they start now?

Nobody seems to want to look at facts

look at facts

How am I saying lowering the ROF didn't effect my use of the weapon? I'm saying there was nothing wrong with the ROF and I have no idea how fast I can pull the trigger but apparently fast enough for the ROF nerf to frustrate me to the point of making a thread about it. And the clip size is rediculous. It's not a sniper rifle people. Stop trying to turn it into one.

"The semi-automatic rate is the assault rifle/semi-auto only version on rapid fire. It is the maximum rate that a weapon can fire with any degree of accuracy in semi-auto mode, usually 45-60 rpm."

taken from link in previous post.

In most FPS games the single shot weapons have always been low ROF, but very strong bullet damage. So how is the TAC any different now from other single shots in other FPS games? And unless you are using two fingers or just are really really fast most people can't single shot at 400 rpm. And why are you complaining about the price? You were willing to pay 4x the price for the same damage difference and 6 extra bullets so whats the problem now, the Gek to Duvolle have been like that since beta, pay a ton more for an extra 2 points in damage.

This assumes that realworld combat limitations apply. Paintball weapons are often equipped with triggers that allow for alternating action and much higher rates of fire than 45-60rpm.

We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:

Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range
Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range
Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range
Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range

They won't be removed, no, but they will be tweaked slightly. The idea being that each race will have it's base variant be Assault, (Gallente) Burst (Minmatar), Breach (Caldari) or Tactical (Amarr) and then the variants are a specific race's take on the others using their own tech. So, you'd get an Assault Rail Rifle that attempts to somewhat mimic the behavior of the Gallente Assault Rifle and a Tactical Assault Rifle that attempts to mimic the Amarr Scrambler Rifle and so on.

Paintball guns also do not kill people.

Seriously count how many times you can pull a trigger in one minute. I guarantee it is a bunch less than 400 lol

I'm not attacking your central point but merely raising awareness of the fact that real world numbers aren't necessarily the best comparison when talking about reasonable fire rates. It's a game after all and people probably behave and perform differently in games than in a serious combat environment.

Regardless of how many times anyone can pull the trigger in a minute. the ROF block is to high and the clip is too low. If it was drastic enough to force me to make a thread about it, obviously this has drastically effected the practicality of this weapon. I don't use modded controller and want a well rounded game. I've been putting up with the mass driver for 4 months, why couldn't everyone put up with the TAR.

Regardless of how many times anyone can pull the trigger in a minute. the ROF block is to high and the clip is too low. If it was drastic enough to force me to make a thread about it, obviously this has drastically effected the practicality of this weapon. I don't use modded controller and want a well rounded game. I've been putting up with the mass driver for 4 months, why couldn't everyone put up with the TAR.

In most FPS games the single shot weapons have always been low ROF, but very strong bullet damage. So how is the TAC any different now from other single shots in other FPS games? And unless you are using two fingers or just are really really fast most people can't single shot at 400 rpm. And why are you complaining about the price? You were willing to pay 4x the price for the same damage difference and 6 extra bullets so whats the problem now, the Gek to Duvolle have been like that since beta, pay a ton more for an extra 2 points in damage.

In other FPS games single shot weapons fire as fast as you can tap

You're right so how many times per minute can the average person blindly depress the "R1" button. I still have my money on it being far less than 400 times per minute.

The sustained rate is likely way below 200 for the strain alone, that's exactly why i said that i was not intending to criticise your central point, but the example you chose to argue for it.

Nobody seems to want to look at facts and whiners want to keep whining while trolls collect their tears. So coming from a long time lover of semi auto assault rifles even before dust, ihave to say. Yes the TAR was over powered but it was still handled the wrong way. Single fire ARs are meant to have high accuracy high range and regardless of modded controllers should still fire as fast as you pull the trigger. That's how they've always worked and yes people complain but they get over it. The whining could've easily been suppressed by lowering the damage and making a much wider hip fire dispersion. That would limit it to med/ long ranges while retaining its effectiveness. Instead they've made the prototype and advanced level TARs identical in every way except a slight increase in damage while keeping the proto almost 4x the price of the advanced. The ROF barely effects a modded controllers advantage while crippling legit players, and even if every bullet hits, the clip size limits you to a couple kills per clip. This is not a "fix" and only humors the casuals screaming "OP" everytime they get killed. CCP has never catered to these people before why should they start now?

Lol CCP never catered to QQing players?

What about all the AR-boys ranting about the LR in chromosome? Now look what you all have done to it BY ranting about it. You guys can be happy your weapon is still usable!

Lol CCP never catered to QQing players?

What about all the AR-boys ranting about the LR in chromosome? Now look what you all have done to it BY ranting about it. You guys can be happy your weapon is still usable!

This is a good point. The Viziam was nerfed into the ground. The Duv Tac is still pretty effective.

There's also the various weapon statements from CCP:




Ergo, the blaster is meant to be short range high damage. Caldari will have the longest range, Amarr is supposed to be the "tactical" model. That means the current TAR is meant to be worse than those on both counts, or rather... it probably shouldn't or won't be outdoing the other weapon types on ground that's their turf. The TAR is already a "freak"-weapon that out-ranges lasers despite pulse lasers having a 4 to 1 range advantage on blasters in EVE lore.

Pick up ARs for high damage at short range.