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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:29:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Zeravla Hsoj wrote:Nobody seems to want to look at facts and whiners want to keep whining while trolls collect their tears. So coming from a long time lover of semi auto assault rifles even before dust, ihave to say. Yes the TAR was over powered but it was still handled the wrong way. Single fire ARs are meant to have high accuracy high range and regardless of modded controllers should still fire as fast as you pull the trigger. That's how they've always worked and yes people complain but they get over it. The whining could've easily been suppressed by lowering the damage and making a much wider hip fire dispersion. That would limit it to med/ long ranges while retaining its effectiveness. Instead they've made the prototype and advanced level TARs identical in every way except a slight increase in damage while keeping the proto almost 4x the price of the advanced. The ROF barely effects a modded controllers advantage while crippling legit players, and even if every bullet hits, the clip size limits you to a couple kills per clip. This is not a "fix" and only humors the casuals screaming "OP" everytime they get killed. CCP has never catered to these people before why should they start now? No one has a problem with them firing as fast as you can pull the trigger. The issue was with the use of auxiliary hardware to force the weapon to fire far beyond what any human could do. I've seen video of the Tac AR firing just as fast as the full-auto version. That had to be corrected because it was game-breaking, so we can once again thank the people that just have to find ways around playing the game the right way. Link the video i'll second that. The PDIGGY vids were wholly unconvincing in that regard.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:06:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Zeravla Hsoj wrote:Also why can't they just make the ROF block less intense? Such as the lowering it to emulate the amount of times the average person can pull it? Instead of making it slightly faster then a breach. "The semi-automatic rate is the assault rifle/semi-auto only version on rapid fire. It is the maximum rate that a weapon can fire with any degree of accuracy in semi-auto mode, usually 45-60 rpm." taken from link in previous post.
This assumes that realworld combat limitations apply. Paintball weapons are often equipped with triggers that allow for alternating action and much higher rates of fire than 45-60rpm. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:23:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Zeravla Hsoj wrote:Also why can't they just make the ROF block less intense? Such as the lowering it to emulate the amount of times the average person can pull it? Instead of making it slightly faster then a breach. "The semi-automatic rate is the assault rifle/semi-auto only version on rapid fire. It is the maximum rate that a weapon can fire with any degree of accuracy in semi-auto mode, usually 45-60 rpm." taken from link in previous post. This assumes that realworld combat limitations apply. Paintball weapons are often equipped with triggers that allow for alternating action and much higher rates of fire than 45-60rpm. Paintball guns also do not kill people. Seriously count how many times you can pull a trigger in one minute. I guarantee it is a bunch less than 400 lol
Animated meshes don't kill people either.
I'm not attacking your central point but merely raising awareness of the fact that real world numbers aren't necessarily the best comparison when talking about reasonable fire rates. It's a game after all and people probably behave and perform differently in games than in a serious combat environment. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:31:00 -
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Zeravla Hsoj wrote:Regardless of how many times anyone can pull the trigger in a minute. the ROF block is to high and the clip is too low. If it was drastic enough to force me to make a thread about it, obviously this has drastically effected the practicality of this weapon. I don't use modded controller and want a well rounded game. I've been putting up with the mass driver for 4 months, why couldn't everyone put up with the TAR. You saying that the ROF block is too high (what does this even mean?) and the clip is too small is a useless assertion until backed up with a modicum of reasoning. Several people have made a thread about it but i've seen very little in terms of an actual argument to work with.
If you want changes to be made provide reasons why they should be made and, no, you beeing upset about it is not a good reason
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:36:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:I'm not attacking your central point but merely raising awareness of the fact that real world numbers aren't necessarily the best comparison when talking about reasonable fire rates. It's a game after all and people probably behave and perform differently in games than in a serious combat environment. You're right so how many times per minute can the average person blindly depress the "R1" button. I still have my money on it being far less than 400 times per minute. The sustained rate is likely way below 200 for the strain alone, that's exactly why i said that i was not intending to criticise your central point, but the example you chose to argue for it.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:26:00 -
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KrazyEyeKilla wrote:Your Absolut End wrote:Zeravla Hsoj wrote:Nobody seems to want to look at facts and whiners want to keep whining while trolls collect their tears. So coming from a long time lover of semi auto assault rifles even before dust, ihave to say. Yes the TAR was over powered but it was still handled the wrong way. Single fire ARs are meant to have high accuracy high range and regardless of modded controllers should still fire as fast as you pull the trigger. That's how they've always worked and yes people complain but they get over it. The whining could've easily been suppressed by lowering the damage and making a much wider hip fire dispersion. That would limit it to med/ long ranges while retaining its effectiveness. Instead they've made the prototype and advanced level TARs identical in every way except a slight increase in damage while keeping the proto almost 4x the price of the advanced. The ROF barely effects a modded controllers advantage while crippling legit players, and even if every bullet hits, the clip size limits you to a couple kills per clip. This is not a "fix" and only humors the casuals screaming "OP" everytime they get killed. CCP has never catered to these people before why should they start now? Lol CCP never catered to QQing players? What about all the AR-boys ranting about the LR in chromosome? Now look what you all have done to it BY ranting about it. You guys can be happy your weapon is still usable! This is a good point. The Viziam was nerfed into the ground. The Duv Tac is still pretty effective. The problem with the Viziam was its 5dmg more than was intended in the first place. CCP has a history of releasing new content rather UP than the other way around. It can be pretty much agreed upon that the LR is distinctively absent from the battlefield and CCPs own data (the purchases alone) should have given them a clue even without looking at the forums.
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