DUST Search - Dust 514 to move towards "pay-to-play"

Numot MTG wrote:

Valentine Crendre wrote:

So that we may have a quality game.

Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care)

Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup.

Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here...

Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander.

For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough.

excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?)

I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod...

So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections.

Nothing would kill this game faster then making it pay to play. It is console game. Have you ever heard of a pay to play console game, becuase I have not. Console gamers won't go near a monthly sub for just a single game. I beielve you mean pay to own, and if you want the real full game then you alreayd pay to own when you buy the merc packs with the blueprint items. And hate to break it to you but once your free to play you can't go back to sub or pay to own. BTW the server Dust plays on is the same server Eve plays on, so I am sorry but those issue you have are on your side on your own personal PS3.

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Valentine Crendre ZionTCD Unclaimed. 22	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:23:00 - [1] - Quote So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander. For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough. excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?) I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod... So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections.
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Frontlinez 135	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:40:00 - [2] - Quote do it CCP 5-10$ a month. also remove Fused Locus Grenades AUR/ISK version form the market. pay2win+pay2play is the only good way to p*** player off.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 405	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:42:00 - [3] - Quote No this game is FREE. it should stay like that. Eve is a subscription based PC game. That is normal for a Computer game. But almost no console games are subscription based.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 394	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:45:00 - [4] - Quote because more money fixes problems that's why they added aurm variants of locus grenades before isk ones
agustis caesar Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:45:00 - [5] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander. For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough. excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?) I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod... So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections. ummm....ISK is the actual currency in Iceland I dont like the whole f2p model, because well....its not free really. Its free to get in the door so to speak. But in the long run, with a well made game, I think they can make more money....they just need to do a better job. Hire someone who worked on BF3 or something, as a consultant.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 123	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:45:00 - [6] - Quote Why not just buy one 50 dollar merc pack every 6 months then :)
StubbyDucky KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 108	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:45:00 - [7] - Quote Not P2W but P2 P ( Pay To Play for you noobs) Subscription for quality is well worth it. BTW OP just ask for a respec, oh wait LOL.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 198	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:47:00 - [8] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander. For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough. excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?) I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod... So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections. I thijnk the problem is once they made it free to play they burned the bridge of ever becoming pay to play. They would essentially have to shut the server down fix the whole game then re-release it in about 2 years under a completely different name....and even then there would still be EvE players who remember...and would be unlikely ever to come back to the game.... Then again there might be a market segment among EvE players who would play a PC version of Dust that might be untapped.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 27	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:47:00 - [9] - Quote I have no problem paying for dust on a monthly basis but the console kiddies won't like that.
Numot MTG DUST University Ivy League 4	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:48:00 - [10] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander. For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough. excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?) I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod... So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections. Nothing would kill this game faster then making it pay to play. It is console game. Have you ever heard of a pay to play console game, becuase I have not. Console gamers won't go near a monthly sub for just a single game. I beielve you mean pay to own, and if you want the real full game then you alreayd pay to own when you buy the merc packs with the blueprint items. And hate to break it to you but once your free to play you can't go back to sub or pay to own. BTW the server Dust plays on is the same server Eve plays on, so I am sorry but those issue you have are on your side on your own personal PS3.

Travi Zyg G I A N T EoN. 71	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:48:00 - [11] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander. For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough. excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?) I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod... So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections. I cant help but STRONGLY disagree with anyone that says CQC scout is useless this build. As cliche as it sounds...HTFU. no joke, running proto knives and proto nades on my proto minnie and have ZERO problems going positive and making game changing moves/hacks in PC/domination/skirmish. Hint ( complex catalyzers/cardiac, uplinks and max out your system hacking. Not sure if your complaining about cqc scout being lame cuz u cant get kills or what. Being cqc scout isnt about wracking up kills (even tho its possible). No class is and this game for the most part isnt also. Theres a lot more to the scout than your seeing obviously. And that's unfortunate...
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 489	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:48:00 - [12] - Quote I'm assuming CCP will grow the game over time as it has done with EVE. I'm guessing that most of the time the game will be getting better and better -- and that I'll be enjoying it more and more as it gets deeper. I'm also certain there will be rough spots to get through -- perhaps like now since there is so much QQing by folks who thought the game would have to be very similar to the beta. The beta was a period of testing things... for the purpose of putting out something for the market. They've installed the skill tree concept that is going to allow specializing and progression. There are some rough spots to things. The weapons are a bit wonky to us. Yes, there are other issues. So what? Play it now, wait a bit, or leave completely. It's the same choice we all have.
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 7	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:50:00 - [13] - Quote I would just like to see a subscription that give you active/passive boosters, voice comms, and a monthly allotment of AUR that should give someone with a 40+ hour job and a social life enough to outfit themselves pretty well.
RoundEy3 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:52:00 - [14] - Quote Pay to play for a shooter??? There are plenty of other titles that will come out that will go for $50-$60 one time payment. The fact that they charge what they do for merc packs has always astounded me. $50 for a few mediocre items!? I could have bought a brand new title for just a little bit more. Think of how many people have bought multiple merc packs. I don't believe CCP is aiming for a large crowd, just a condensed one that will pay over and over and over. I believe the hardcore fan who will pay no matter what is who hurts the quality of the game the most. Because no matter how misguided or unbalanced their desires are they are the ones the game will be tailored to and as long as they pay hundreds of dollars repeatedly that one person takes the place of a dozen other potential buyers of a one time buy title.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 489	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:55:00 - [15] - Quote Heh, yes, market forces are to blame... that's awesome.
RoundEy3 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:57:00 - [16] - Quote I'm talking more so in the sense of making a memorable lasting shooter, that is innovative and original, not just addictive.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:06:00 - [17] - Quote If the money is spent getting top notch dev teams who can make shooters - fine But if you think paying some cash will get them a top team and iron out these basic problems - The best it may get you quickly is better delivery of content. Also blaming the people who choose to accept a business model put forth by the company earns you the fail of the week...even though its only Tuesday.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:12:00 - [18] - Quote Theres a lot of money to be made in customization alone. I would spend $20-50 just to get a bunch of permanent stuff that sets me apart from other players as well as being practical in use.
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 127	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:12:00 - [19] - Quote The game doesn't have issues because it's F2P, it has issues because CCP has never developed a FPS before, and they went and hired a bunch(?) of people who have similarly never made an FPS before. The game will get better as they get more experience.
RoundEy3 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:12:00 - [20] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: If the money is spent getting top notch dev teams who can make shooters - fine But if you think paying some cash will get them a top team and iron out these basic problems - The best it may get you quickly is better delivery of content. Also blaming the people who choose to accept a business model put forth by the company earns you the fail of the week...even though its only Tuesday. Thanks I take a bit of pride with that actually. In most cases choosing to take part in something misappropriated, or off balance, and then continue to do it is usually the fault of the one making the choice, no?

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 620	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:12:00 - [21] - Quote CCP said they are considering a subscription option which provides automatic boosters and an Aurum allowance. Basically similar to the merc packs but automatic from the description they gave.
Asher Night The Dark Flock 84	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:13:00 - [22] - Quote No way in hell am I paying money to play this game after seeing it the way it is. Paying money to play this game after what we've seen the devs do would be like giving you drug addict uncle $200 to go get that "really nice tv" his "friend" is selling.
CYRAX SERVIUS The Generals EoN. 85	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:16:00 - [23] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: I have no problem paying for dust on a monthly basis but the console kiddies won't like that. Um, I play both games on pc and console, i wouldn't mind paying at all, and i can assure you i'm no "kiddie". Please choose your durogatorism carefully.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 492	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:17:00 - [24] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP said they are considering a subscription option which provides automatic boosters and an Aurum allowance. Basically similar to the merc packs but automatic from the description they gave. This sounds more like an option to simplify managing boosters than anything else. Going "on plan" would probably offer a bonus compared to random difficult to plan revenue around booster purchases.
PonyClause Rex TRAMADOL KNIGHTS 48	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:23:00 - [25] - Quote Stop giving CCP your money such hilarity in you all!
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD Unclaimed. 24	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:32:00 - [26] - Quote Travi Zyg wrote: I cant help but STRONGLY disagree with anyone that says CQC scout is useless this build. As cliche as it sounds...HTFU. no joke, running proto knives and proto nades on my proto minnie and have ZERO problems going positive and making game changing moves/hacks in PC/domination/skirmish. Hint ( complex catalyzers/cardiac, uplinks and max out your system hacking. Not sure if your complaining about cqc scout being lame cuz u cant get kills or what. Being cqc scout isnt about wracking up kills (even tho its possible). No class is and this game for the most part isnt also. Theres a lot more to the scout than your seeing obviously. And that's unfortunate... Lol, no I still manage to get work done with my scout, and I agree its not built for kills/aslt. etc. The CQC scout is for flanking and infiltration, I understand this. However, I'd wager that close to HALF of my deaths/fails are due to me - 1. Shooting a target while he is dead center in my reticle AND I see my blast actually hit and spark off of his armor! then hit detection does not register and renders no damage, and instead he shoots and kills me (I am in a "light" suit, we don't last long, you know this). 2. My input lag and frame rate is so **** poor (esp. during PC battles), that I unload all 6 - 8 rounds at a target, and miss... target shoots and kills me... 3. Practically die immediately from the new imbalanced/exploit, flavor-of-the-month (Tac AR, LR, Swarms, Quicksand/superglue environment, cancer...) The other half of my deaths are just due to another player being legitimately better than me and they kill me. Obviously, I can't complain about that, or I can be a weenie and rage-quit... Technically, this game is no longer a beta, it should be up-to-par. I don't want to have to run a Medium suit with the flavor-of-month weapon just to be able to be effective. That's not fun to me. I want to be a Scout with the ability to be => efficient. To the rest, I'm hoping (Yes, CCP could just not invest the money back into the game) that if they make the game pay-to-play, or sure, pay-to-own, whatever, they can properly fund themselves and the production of the game. It's an easy (cop out, if you will) solution, but money (when properly utilized) will bring quality and results. Let's hope that the percentage of players, as it is, buying Aurum is will help development of this game... Unfortunately, results are showing otherwise... Some of you proclaim "OMG MAKE IT PAY-TO-PLAY IS CRAZY"... Well, maybe you're right... Maybe CCP can make better quality with more funding. Maybe, that's the issue and it's not so crazy...
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD Unclaimed. 24	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:44:00 - [27] - Quote Asher Night wrote: No way in hell am I paying money to play this game after seeing it the way it is. Paying money to play this game after what we've seen the devs do would be like giving you drug addict uncle $200 to go get that "really nice tv" his "friend" is selling. Well said. That is why they should incrementally move to pay-to-play. They'll have to, lol somehow, inject some real quality into this game. Then people will be willing to go pay-to-play. Hopefully, they haven't been blowing all the money they made from Merc Packs in Amsterdam or some sh*t...
Adam Average D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 54	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:44:00 - [28] - Quote Numot MTG wrote: Valentine Crendre wrote: So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander. For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough. excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?) I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod... So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections. Nothing would kill this game faster then making it pay to play. It is console game. Have you ever heard of a pay to play console game, becuase I have not. Console gamers won't go near a monthly sub for just a single game. I beielve you mean pay to own, and if you want the real full game then you alreayd pay to own when you buy the merc packs with the blueprint items. And hate to break it to you but once your free to play you can't go back to sub or pay to own. BTW the server Dust plays on is the same server Eve plays on, so I am sorry but those issue you have are on your side on your own personal PS3. Cough DCUO Cough It was originally pay to play, they changed that model, but to basically not be extremely limited, you pay a subscription anyways.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 379	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:52:00 - [29] - Quote I'm no poor, and i'm not spending cash in Dust 514 right now.... In fact i'm pretty sure, that the only reason why i playing Dust 514 right now, is because is free. I saving cash for the " Proper " games coming out this summer.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2079	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:53:00 - [30] - Quote lolno this game won't survive a subscription.



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