DUST Search - Dust 514 to move towards "pay-to-play"

Valentine Crendre wrote:

So that we may have a quality game.

Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care)

Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup.

Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here...

Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander.

For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough.

excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?)

I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod...

So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections.

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Elrick Mercer The Dark Flock 47	Posted - 2013.06.04 21:54:00 - [31] - Quote A sub fee would just have less people play the game. A sub fee can't fix bad programming.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 94	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:14:00 - [32] - Quote I would support a hybrid model, but not a straight switch to P2P. I'd also pay a sub for Dust, but it would have to have a few caveats. First, I would want at something like 500 AUR per month I am subbed. Then I'd want an automatic increase to SP gains, both active and passive. If I'm paying $15 a month, then I shouldn't have to pay for boosters. These are the two minimum things that I would expect from a P2P model. You have to give me a reason to pay a sub. Additionally, the F2P model should not go away. The hybrid model does two things, first it gives new players a chance to "test" the game before buying. The would probably as well, at least once, invest in a Merc pack of some sort or AUR. Then if they decide they really like the game, they may decide to purchase a sub. Subbers on the other hand are still likely to purchase AUR or Merc packs just for the gear, but to promote this, CCP should also add packs that include ADV or PROTO items, that meet skill requirements. No ADV or PROTO items that give you access before you actually can skill into those items.. This would give both player groups an opportunity to purchase new items with the AUR Market. I'd also probably promote Racial Item packs. Perhaps something similar to the current packs, only the suits, weapons, and vehicles would be racial in nature. These items could both be "no skill" required and "skill" required packs. However, these items at no time should be better than market (ISK items) items and the "skill" required items should not be BPOs, maybe stacks of 50 or 75. They could perhaps be alternate versions, perhaps say like a Gallente Scout suit that has the Minmatar stats, so that Gallente players could perhaps get the stats they want but at a cost and in their chosen race's style. Just my .02 ISK.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 118	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:28:00 - [33] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from ... record screeching to a halt Mirror's Edge and terrible in the same sentence? Sorry, you lost me there. p.s. I've already paid for this game.
Adam Average D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 54	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:30:00 - [34] - Quote Yeva Kalsani wrote: Valentine Crendre wrote: So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from ... record screeching to a halt Mirror's Edge and terrible in the same sentence? Sorry, you lost me there. p.s. I've already paid for this game. Didn't you know? Fun is objective, not subjective. At least by what i've seen upon the forums, is the jist of what i'm getting from the community.
Indy Strizer Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 116	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:31:00 - [35] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: So that we may have a quality game. Sorry, poor people and no-lifers... go get a job (or unemployment, prostitution, etc. whatever, I don't care) Otherwise, we will continue to have a poorly built game. With continuously bad mechanics. In every update that comes to us at the speed of light maple syrup. Sorry to be harsh and all QQ'ey but let's not lie to ourselves here... Dust 514 is well on its way (already is) a "good, bad game" - Think games like Mirror's Edge or Resident Evil: Revelations - series and games that had good/fun ideas, stories, plots, etc. but terrible gameplay mechanics or just simply suffered from being unpolished. These drawbacks ultimately labeled these games as bad when they had potential to be much grander. For example, the state of this build has rendered my class almost useless - The CQC Scout. PC battles are a nightmare, as if pub matches were bad enough. excessive Input lag + bad hit detection + actual server lag make my shotgun nearly useless and the coming of ISK "Fused Locus Grenades" at 400HP damage or whatever it is will make me even more useless. (Or maybe I should stop being a total scrizzub, right?) I understand a company, like CCP, needs the $$$ - no, not ISK - to get quality work done. Because, it seems like those of us who are purchasing the Aurum packages just isn't cutting it for Crowd Control Prod... So, perhaps they should SERIOUSLY consider moving this game to the pay-to-play market... Perhaps getting us a good, quality connection and server would be a good start. Or maybe finding us a workaround for us of having to go through PSNs lovely "duct-tape" connections. LMFAO... I knew this day would come where somebody would write something like this... "IT'S BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT THIS GAME IS RUINED! PEOPLE AREN'T BUYING ENOUGH MERC PACKS1!!!1!"
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:32:00 - [36] - Quote Subscription or Aurum. They won't get both. They won't get either without a balanced, functioning game. First things first.
Selinate deux DUST University Ivy League 88	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:33:00 - [37] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: I have no problem paying for dust on a monthly basis but the console kiddies won't like that. Given the state of the game, I don't think I'd be willing quite yet to pay for Dust. I'll be willing once I have a PvE option in addition to a game that actually plays like an MMO and just generally has more stuff to do.
TEBOW BAGGINS GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA 577	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:36:00 - [38] - Quote i actually tried to pay my RL friends to play dust but they refused
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1035	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:38:00 - [39] - Quote You do realize, that done well : A microtransaction model will massively outprofit a subscription based model, any day? The problem here is key ; CCP isn't doing it well. The price points are outrageous, the 'packs' offer very little 'bang' for your buck, and the concept of BPO's is quickly becoming offensive as they head down a dark path of power creep they told us they'd avoid.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:40:00 - [40] - Quote We have trouble convincing people to play this game now, we have trouble keeping new players here now, and it's free. And you want to charge people a sub fee? I'll just spend 60 on Destiny, thank you.

EKH0 0ne R.I.f.t 57	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:43:00 - [41] - Quote Hey bro i got news for you, your an idiot. If you wanna hire a programmer and a developer to make you a video game go ahead. Pretty sure everyone else wants the video game to be made before we buy it, ******
Gotyougood Planet Express LLC 3	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:45:00 - [42] - Quote RoundEy3 wrote: I'm talking more so in the sense of making a memorable lasting shooter, that is innovative and original, not just addictive. You mean like one that while it may not be perfect a few moths after beta it will be developed and expanded over the course of years? Hummm if only CCP had a 10 year track record of doing just that.
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 127	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:48:00 - [43] - Quote sod that. thats microsoft style. will never be on ps3. i dout sony would let that happen
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD Unclaimed. 25	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:49:00 - [44] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: You do realize, that done well : A microtransaction model will massively outprofit a subscription based model, any day? The problem here is key ; CCP isn't doing it well. The price points are outrageous, the 'packs' offer very little 'bang' for your buck, and the concept of BPO's is quickly becoming offensive as they head down a dark path of power creep they told us they'd avoid. Hell, whatever model is more effective, then yes, use it...! But, as we can agree, this Aurum/Merc Pack method doesn't seem to be cutting it... We're a small demographic. This game needs income and, therefore, a larger player base. Either better quality or more funding. If CCP plays their cards well, they can do both.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 288	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:49:00 - [45] - Quote Honestly... if they just released a $10-12 booster pack with a 30 day active and 30 day passive booster, and thats it.. they would probably be able to bring in a ton of money.
EKH0 0ne R.I.f.t 57	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:49:00 - [46] - Quote You just admited this is a bad game.......now you wanna start charging people to play it, as if thats gonna magically make it better....Dafuq You have to be CCP's Secret propaganda machine; or extremely brainwashed tool. Hey man sorry i didnt install your alarm system right and it didnt go off while you got robbed, But if you give me more money it woudlve went off Sorry your new car broke when you left the dealership with it........if you wouldve paid more it wouldn't of broke Sorry the game we made sux ass, but if you paid for it.........oh yeah it'll be alot better!
EKH0 0ne R.I.f.t 57	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:51:00 - [47] - Quote Hey guys heres an idea Fhuck CCPs wallet! Find a diffrent video game. What kind of brainwashed corporate slaves are you guys?
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:55:00 - [48] - Quote Too many things need to be filled in to make this game pay-to-play worthy. CCP indicated that they are considering an option for subscription based boosters SOONtm but with the current availability of boosters already I don't expect it to change too much. I can play any other PS3 game I want to for free other than game purchase, already having spent more on this game than any other game on the market, I believe that the pay structure is viable for this game. You already get what you put into this game in money in SP rewards so to have a chance to have almost as good gear as Open Beta players any new players will need to pay and play, which fits with what you are asking for. On a final note, CCP went with Sony to launch this product, if they would have gone with Microsoft I believe that the net result would have been a pay-to-play pay structure. They picked right and arguing that we should be paying a subscription fee to play is a slap in the face of all the people who buy merc packs for multiple characters every month.
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD Unclaimed. 25	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:01:00 - [49] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: You just admited this is a bad game.......now you wanna start charging people to play it, as if thats gonna magically make it better....Dafuq You have to be CCP's Secret propaganda machine; or extremely brainwashed tool. Hey man sorry i didnt install your alarm system right and it didnt go off while you got robbed, But if you give me more money it woudlve went off Sorry your new car broke when you left the dealership with it........if you wouldve paid more it wouldn't of broke Sorry the game we made sux ass, but if you paid for it.........oh yeah it'll be alot better! You're clearly aren't grasping my suggestion and what it infers.. I see you were the "special" kid in class so I'll make this simple. If CCP could put in an effective "pay-to-play" model, they could properly fund their programming - with better progammers/programming using the newly acquired funds - It doesn't have to be MY suggestion... Just whatever works. Also, This would infer that CCP must inject some quality first before introducing said model/suggestion. Again this would be on CCP, and not dependent of this post or whatever it is you're thinking... Connect the dots...
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 379	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:02:00 - [50] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: You do realize, that done well : A microtransaction model will massively outprofit a subscription based model, any day? The problem here is key ; CCP isn't doing it well. The price points are outrageous, the 'packs' offer very little 'bang' for your buck, and the concept of BPO's is quickly becoming offensive as they head down a dark path of power creep they told us they'd avoid. Yeah what happen to all that ?.. I thought that they where going to follow the basic MMO Free To Play model; Cosmetics, expansions, and so on .. What the CPM thinks about this ? and can you do anything about it ?

S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 99	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:04:00 - [51] - Quote Yeah , good ideea ,i would pay 15 $ a month. Do it CCP , I LOVE YOU Please take my money.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 12	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:04:00 - [52] - Quote I dont see future in monthly pay DEFO not, if they make reasonable cost for one pay i dont care. But fairly now the game acting like 4.99Gé¼ SEN/PSN project.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 380	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:29:00 - [53] - Quote CCP could me alot more cash, and appeal to more people, by creating a "virtual life" ; Expansion: - Quarters Decorations ( Windows, Music player, tv, ....) just use your imagination. - Character Cosmetics ( Casual Clothing, Paint shop, Tattoos.. ) millions of possibilities. - Space Station Expansions ( Access to different areas; Bar, recreation, Corporation Headquarters, .. ) and so on. - Weapons Modding. - PvE mission packs. Those are just few examples.... people will buy things like that alot more, than this stupid P2W model. I know i said all this before...but what the hell...
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD Unclaimed. 25	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:34:00 - [54] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: CCP could me alot more cash, and appeal to more people, by creating a "virtual life" ; Expansion: - Quarters Decorations ( Windows, Music player, tv, ....) just use your imagination. - Character Cosmetics ( Casual Clothing, Paint shop, Tattoos.. ) millions of possibilities. - Space Station Expansions ( Access to different areas; Bar, recreation, Corporation Headquarters, .. ) and so on. - Weapons Modding. - PvE mission packs. Those are just few examples.... people will buy things like that alot more, than this stupid P2W model. I know i said all this before...but what the hell... Quirky, PS Home like, but yeah something like this would add appeal. From what I understand, they want to move to something like this, so this kinda thing should already be in the works... But this kind of thing needs time and $$$... Both of which CCP seems to be bad with
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 217	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:40:00 - [55] - Quote There is a reason why DCUO went F2P. Lessons learned the hard way.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 380	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:46:00 - [56] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: CCP could me alot more cash, and appeal to more people, by creating a "virtual life" ; Expansion: - Quarters Decorations ( Windows, Music player, tv, ....) just use your imagination. - Character Cosmetics ( Casual Clothing, Paint shop, Tattoos.. ) millions of possibilities. - Space Station Expansions ( Access to different areas; Bar, recreation, Corporation Headquarters, .. ) and so on. - Weapons Modding. - PvE mission packs. Those are just few examples.... people will buy things like that alot more, than this stupid P2W model. I know i said all this before...but what the hell... Quirky, PS Home like, but yeah something like this would add appeal. From what I understand, they want to move to something like this, so this kinda thing should already be in the works... But this kind of thing needs time and $$$... Both of which CCP seems to be bad with I know is "Quirky" ... but he full "Virtual Life" thing, sales very well. That is the type of things that people spend hundreds of $$$ every month.
Acezero 44 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:46:00 - [57] - Quote I'm converted to micro payments,its been 3 years since I stoped subbing to games. Pay to play is last decade. I get more from my money with micro payments. I hate subs, I would rather spend 100's on all the flashy goodies in a cashshop,. I dont like op pay to win items mind you, its not really fair.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1309	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:47:00 - [58] - Quote I can get 30 kills with a scout....
Nova Fortis Commando Perkone Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:48:00 - [59] - Quote I don't want it to be pay-to-play. For one, what's needed is time, not money. Two, I see this scenario occuring: It's cheaper to buy a year of access for $100 rather than pay $15 a month, so I go ahead and pay for the year. Changes happen, but the game is still buggy. I am mad, because I have "wasted" $100. People will then say, "Well you shouldn't have paid for a subscription if you thought it would be bad!" It's not that the game is bad, it's that I should not have to pay for a very buggy game. Of course if I don't subscribe, I lose my fun shooter and don't support the company. I'll be in the wrong either way. Ways to make money: I think Aurum should be able to be purchased more flexibly, and that we should be able to buy weapons and gear with money, not Aur then weapons and gear. That would get more people interested, I think, simply because there's less math/planning involved. Also, add purely cosmetic items. I'd pay money for a light purple dropsuit.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:53:00 - [60] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Valentine Crendre wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: CCP could me alot more cash, and appeal to more people, by creating a "virtual life" ; Expansion: - Quarters Decorations ( Windows, Music player, tv, ....) just use your imagination. - Character Cosmetics ( Casual Clothing, Paint shop, Tattoos.. ) millions of possibilities. - Space Station Expansions ( Access to different areas; Bar, recreation, Corporation Headquarters, .. ) and so on. - Weapons Modding. - PvE mission packs. Those are just few examples.... people will buy things like that alot more, than this stupid P2W model. I know i said all this before...but what the hell... Quirky, PS Home like, but yeah something like this would add appeal. From what I understand, they want to move to something like this, so this kinda thing should already be in the works... But this kind of thing needs time and $$$... Both of which CCP seems to be bad with I know is "Quirky" ... but the full "Virtual Life" thing, sales very well. That is the type of things that people spends hundreds of $$$ every month. But the art team cant even get the basic dropsuits out in a timely manner.



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