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Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 6	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:12:00 - [1] - Quote Just coming back to find these new weapon types. Wanting to hear a bit about them from people who are doing well with them. My impression was: Scram rifle- Hits very hard if charged making it kind of nice for shoot outs but overheats super fast making it horrible for taking pop-shots or getting into close-medium range gun battles. Overall deadly in the hands of a highly accurate shot but assault rifles are a bit better if you aren't a first rate marksmen. Plasma Cannon- Kind of like a slower firing more powerful Mass Driver. Hits like a beast but it's super slow refire makes me prefer the mass driver. Flaylock- Didn't have the skills to test it. That's what I gathered from 3-5 rounds played during a work break. Looking forward to hearing more from someone who knows their stuff.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 145	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:19:00 - [2] - Quote Tharak Meuridiar wrote: Just coming back to find these new weapon types. Wanting to hear a bit about them from people who are doing well with them. My impression was: Scram rifle- Hits very hard if charged making it kind of nice for shoot outs but overheats super fast making it horrible for taking pop-shots or getting into close-medium range gun battles. Overall deadly in the hands of a highly accurate shot but assault rifles are a bit better if you aren't a first rate marksmen. Plasma Cannon- Kind of like a slower firing more powerful Mass Driver. Hits like a beast but it's super slow refire makes me prefer the mass driver. Flaylock- Didn't have the skills to test it. That's what I gathered from 3-5 rounds played during a work break. Looking forward to hearing more from someone who knows their stuff. Flay locks do more damage to armor then shields and need a nerf, very small 1, not a hammer nerf but a chizzle nerf (I got PRO Flay locks and nothing more to skill into them and as side arms they are OP). Scrambler riffles do more damage to shields by ALOT and 1 of the PRO variants you reload before you overheat from what I heard.
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 331	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:19:00 - [3] - Quote Tharak Meuridiar wrote: Just coming back to find these new weapon types. Wanting to hear a bit about them from people who are doing well with them. My impression was: Scram rifle- Hits very hard if charged making it kind of nice for shoot outs but overheats super fast making it horrible for taking pop-shots or getting into close-medium range gun battles. Overall deadly in the hands of a highly accurate shot but assault rifles are a bit better if you aren't a first rate marksmen. Plasma Cannon- Kind of like a slower firing more powerful Mass Driver. Hits like a beast but it's super slow refire makes me prefer the mass driver. Flaylock- Didn't have the skills to test it. That's what I gathered from 3-5 rounds played during a work break. Looking forward to hearing more from someone who knows their stuff. Honestly I find the plasma cannon better for anti-infentry more than anti-vehicle which it was made for. Flaylock is deadly when skilled into.
Zero Harpuia WarRavens 502	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:24:00 - [4] - Quote Scramblers are for recision marksmanship, a fully charged headshot spells doom. Otherwise the AR outperforms them in every area up to and including range :l As for the other two, Plasmas are too weak to be used as AV, so unless they have massive bonuses to shield damage they're being used almost solely as a supershotgun. And the Flaylock... is the Flaylock. Feels like a full on Light weapon when a proto one shows up.
Imp Smash On The Brink CRONOS. 116	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:27:00 - [5] - Quote I havent used the plasma cannon so I can't comment. From what alliance mates have said think of it as an RPG. I use both SR and flaylock though and can comment on em. SR is a strong gun. It suffers huge range penalties. The singleshot has high DPS but overheats very very fast. The assault has the almost the exact same DPS as a comparable assault rifle (again huge range penalties) but overheating is pretty much a non issue. It does NOT have a special headshot bonus like scrambler pistols do. It has dispersion. It has no dispersion reduction skills. It has no recoil. Essentially if you can hit the head in 4 out of 7 shots it is a very very power gun. If you can't it is a very very weak gun. Essentially the skill ceiling is high. It takes a LOT of skill to use competitively but at the upper echelons of skill is exceedingly powerful. And yes it's not great at close range. The weakness against armor means that finishing people off before they escape, kill you, or get killed by someone else is difficult. Do not try to Rambo with this gun. That's for ARs. Overall pretty fair except for the range issue. The Flaylock is a bit OP. yes the clip size is low - but the gun does ridiculous damage to armor and severe damage to shields. The blast radius is fair starting off but it's a bit too wide once you get flaylock operation to level 5. A headshot is pretty difficult (thank goodness) as a headshot can kill pretty much anything.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 97	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:28:00 - [6] - Quote plasma cannon is useless , dont bother with it and just curios about floplock pistol , do u get damage if u fire close to your feet?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4864	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:39:00 - [7] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: plasma cannon is useless , dont bother with it and just curios about floplock pistol , do u get damage if u fire close to your feet? In my experiences no it has been mostly wall hits that kills players or direct hits. Then again my FLOp is lvl 1.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 97	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:43:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: S0LlD SNAKE wrote: plasma cannon is useless , dont bother with it and just curios about floplock pistol , do u get damage if u fire close to your feet? In my experiences no it has been mostly wall hits that kills players or direct hits. Then again my FLOp is lvl 1. im asking because most floplock pistol users i see in fight they fire in the ground close to them if the figt is close quarter and the enemy dies the blast should affect the user aswell if its too close , no?
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 363	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:43:00 - [9] - Quote SR sucks
True Adamance Ametat Security Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:51:00 - [10] - Quote As a play who exclusively uses Amarrian gear and weapons I have a few thoughts on the Scrambler Rifle The regular variant is as you all say, a precision weapon with decent range, allowing for engagement up to and above 60+ metres with relative accuracy and a moderate rate of fire providing you know the limits of your rifle and how to burst fire it effectively. The Assault variant is much like the Assault Rifle however it has a sharp drop off rate and terrible dispersion at the outer limits of its range meaning it is far more suited for close quarters fighting, more or less 30- Metres for it to be as effective as it can be, however its nature as an anti shield weapon in a heavily shield dominated game makes it a winner that that range. Both rifles have absolutely delightful hip fire, the regular variet of the scrambler rifle having some dispersion but if engaging at close range rapid firing a close to or full volley of shots at the target is likely to have a pronounced affect on his or her EHP, however overheating is going to be the bane of CQC, that is unless you have expended all side arm ammo as well. Assault is a godsent at CQC for hip firers as it have very little dispersion up close. IN all I found that head shots usually take out all shield on targets simply because of the standard multiplier plus the 110% Shield damage it does. In comparison to the standard Assault rifle even the miltia variant seems better than advanced assault scramblers in its optimal range, however it does have the damage nor the flexibility of the Standard Scrambler rifle, however it doesn't overheat which is a plus. However both really suffer against armour tankers. I'd never recommend a sane Scrambler Rifler to engage a heavy without help. Just my thoughts here.

True Adamance Ametat Security Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:52:00 - [11] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: SR sucks You know nothing Wyrmhero (yeah Song of Fire and Ice ref that sorta makes sense).
Jenova's Witness The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 142	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:54:00 - [12] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: Tharak Meuridiar wrote: Just coming back to find these new weapon types. Wanting to hear a bit about them from people who are doing well with them. My impression was: Scram rifle- Hits very hard if charged making it kind of nice for shoot outs but overheats super fast making it horrible for taking pop-shots or getting into close-medium range gun battles. Overall deadly in the hands of a highly accurate shot but assault rifles are a bit better if you aren't a first rate marksmen. Plasma Cannon- Kind of like a slower firing more powerful Mass Driver. Hits like a beast but it's super slow refire makes me prefer the mass driver. Flaylock- Didn't have the skills to test it. That's what I gathered from 3-5 rounds played during a work break. Looking forward to hearing more from someone who knows their stuff. Flay locks do more damage to armor then shields and need a nerf, very small 1, not a hammer nerf but a chizzle nerf (I got PRO Flay locks and nothing more to skill into them and as side arms they are OP). Scrambler riffles do more damage to shields by ALOT and 1 of the PRO variants you reload before you overheat from what I heard. It's a PRO, it's supposed to be powerful. Wait until you see more Minmatar assaults with dual Core FPs that have 4 shots in the clip thanks to their racial bonus.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 582	Posted - 2013.06.04 08:06:00 - [13] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Scramblers are for recision marksmanship, a fully charged headshot spells doom. Otherwise the AR outperforms them in every area up to and including range :l As for the other two, Plasmas are too weak to be used as AV, so unless they have massive bonuses to shield damage they're being used almost solely as a supershotgun. And the Flaylock... is the Flaylock. Feels like a full on Light weapon when a proto one shows up. its not that its useless as AV its that it get massively out classed by the swarm launcher. the fact its homing should be its advantage not that it can do more damage at the proto lvl then a assault forge on shields like it can now. the SL needs to be toned down its the only one that has 660 per hit/volley per shot from standard to proto more missiles should equal smaller missiles thus less damage per missile but overall more damage.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 492	Posted - 2013.06.04 08:15:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: However both really suffer against armour tankers. I'd never recommend a sane Scrambler Rifler to engage a heavy without help. I'm relatively pensive about the ASR's at the moment for this very reason. Yeah, there are a lot of players who use shield dominated equipment, but the problem is... When I've got the ASR, it feels marginally easier to kill a shield user than a regular AR, but it's a ***** to kill an armor focused variant. When I've got the regular AR it's not as easy to kill shield tanked guys, but it's a whole lot easier to kill armor tankers. Combine with bad hit registry for proper effect. I'm still tentative about it, but the ASR seems to get me killed vs. armor more than it wins me battles vs. shields. It's really just a thought. Being able to pinpoint problems with the stats is contingent upon CCP actually fixing the hit registry.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2013.06.04 08:25:00 - [15] - Quote I have been having INSANE issues with hit detection with the flaylock recently. Like... dude's standing perfectly still, and I aim at his chest at 6m and no hits register with all three rounds. That's bad. She'sa no guuude. Either way though, the proto version is SUPPOSED to be amazing. If I specc'd into scrambler pistols, you'd ask for a nerf to that, if I was running around with the proto variant. The same is true of a well specc'd proto SMG. The things puts out damage insanely fast, especially with a damage mod or two. Overall, proto weapons take a huge amount of SP, and without actually being effective weapons they wouldn't be worth it.
True Adamance Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.06.04 08:26:00 - [16] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: True Adamance wrote: However both really suffer against armour tankers. I'd never recommend a sane Scrambler Rifler to engage a heavy without help. I'm relatively pensive about the ASR's at the moment for this very reason. Yeah, there are a lot of players who use shield dominated equipment, but the problem is... When I've got the ASR, it feels marginally easier to kill a shield user than a regular AR, but it's a ***** to kill an armor focused variant. When I've got the regular AR it's not as easy to kill shield tanked guys, but it's a whole lot easier to kill armor tankers. Combine with bad hit registry for proper effect. I'm still tentative about it, but the ASR seems to get me killed vs. armor more than it wins me battles vs. shields. It's really just a thought. Being able to pinpoint problems with the stats is contingent upon CCP actually fixing the hit registry. I can see why you would be. In BIASed mode I absolutely love the ASR because of some of the amazing things its hip fire and anti shield damage has allowed me to do, these ranging from winning 3vs1's to successfully defending objectives with my squad from enemy teams. In unbiased mode I would say that while both variant do suffer against armour packing a complementary side arm or grenade type is what will save you in scenarios with armour tankers. Lay down a Core Locus Grenade, drop shields, and chain the explosion works well, also an SCR with Flaylock. Drop Shields with an ASR which is easy enough, extra shots will damage armour, then switch out to the SMG to finish the guy off. It all depends of play style and whether or not you get used to the weapon. Sights also help a lot when targeting AR users.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 587	Posted - 2013.06.04 09:42:00 - [17] - Quote Plasma cannon is useless. It does not fill an open niche. It is an ineffective AV weapon. Its is an ineffective AI weapon. It needs more clip. Firing time speed reducution, and to be made direct fire. Edit: I think the have to spool up time backwards. the Plasma cannon should have a cool down time as oppose to a spool up time. Maybe keep the one shot. And remove the wierd arc firing, slow shot.
True Adamance Ametat Security Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2013.06.04 09:44:00 - [18] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Plasma cannon is useless. It does not fill an open niche. It is an ineffective AV weapon. Its is an ineffective AI weapon. It needs more clip. Firing time speed reducution, and to be made direct fire. I originally thought it would be like an RPG style weapon .... kind of sad when it was more like a mortar.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 587	Posted - 2013.06.04 09:46:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: iceyburnz wrote: Plasma cannon is useless. It does not fill an open niche. It is an ineffective AV weapon. Its is an ineffective AI weapon. It needs more clip. Firing time speed reducution, and to be made direct fire. I originally thought it would be like an RPG style weapon .... kind of sad when it was more like a mortar. yes that exactly the role it should be filling. RPG. The sort of weapon you would use in a hit and run attack to tred a tank. Maybe it should have a secondary fire effect on vehicles. Like a slow down for 2 seconds or something. To make it fit with the spectrum of other weapons.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 582	Posted - 2013.06.04 09:53:00 - [20] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Plasma cannon is useless. It does not fill an open niche. It is an ineffective AV weapon. Its is an ineffective AI weapon. It needs more clip. Firing time speed reducution, and to be made direct fire. Edit: I think the have to spool up time backwards. the Plasma cannon should have a cool down time as oppose to a spool up time. Maybe keep the one shot. And remove the wierd arc firing, slow shot. what it needs is some more direct damage, more ammo and remove the spool timer, its just annoying.

Jenova's Witness The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 150	Posted - 2013.06.04 09:56:00 - [21] - Quote ladwar wrote: iceyburnz wrote: Plasma cannon is useless. It does not fill an open niche. It is an ineffective AV weapon. Its is an ineffective AI weapon. It needs more clip. Firing time speed reducution, and to be made direct fire. Edit: I think the have to spool up time backwards. the Plasma cannon should have a cool down time as oppose to a spool up time. Maybe keep the one shot. And remove the wierd arc firing, slow shot. what it needs is some more direct damage, more ammo and remove the spool timer, its just annoying. Do you get the impression that they were so worried about the dumbfire swarm fiasco in beta that they nerfed the plasma cannon while it was made?
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 588	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:07:00 - [22] - Quote yup this ^
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 137	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:09:00 - [23] - Quote Jenova's Witness wrote: Do you get the impression that they were so worried about the dumbfire swarm fiasco in beta that they nerfed the plasma cannon while it was made? I've never fired one, but a corp mate has. I can honestly say you might be on to something. = D I'm perfectly OK with it btw. It's like the RPG's in MAG... only it's ALSO completely ineffective against vehicles.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 588	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:12:00 - [24] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: [quote=Jenova's Witness] I'm perfectly OK with it btw. It's like the RPG's in MAG... only it's ALSO completely ineffective against vehicles. It wouldn't even be fair to say the weapon is negatively unbalanced (as in weaksauce). Its entirely unusable. Nearly every other weapon does what it does but better. Want to sneak up on infantry and get a kill, use a shotgun. Want to shoot a vehicle (and actually hit) use a swarm launcher. Want to almost kill or steal vehicle kills, use a forge gun. Want to shoot infantry, and kill them fast, use the Assault Rifle. What is the plasma cannon actually for? It requires too much luck to hit moving LAVs unless they are bareing down on you which means your gonna die and maybe take it into armour. Tanks are too tanky, most can regenerate the damage faster than you can spool up, fire then reload then spool up again to be a threat. Its a weapon with too many timers and not enough damage to warrent those timers. Its has like 4 difficulty vectors that do not match the amount of damage it does. (Difficulty vectors: Spool timer, reload timer, one shot (giving the timers meaning), arc fire and lowest damage of all the av weapons).
Jenova's Witness The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 150	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:14:00 - [25] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: What is the plasma cannon actually for? Embarrassing someone without having to tebag them. I know I'm not the only one that chuckles when I see a plasma cannon death on the kill feet.
Mike Molle L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:17:00 - [26] - Quote I have the Allotek Plasma Cannon, the thing is borderline broken, its bugged to all hell, 95% of the time i have to cycle through all my weapons and equipment to get the damn thing to fire again
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 588	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:18:00 - [27] - Quote Jenova's Witness wrote: iceyburnz wrote: What is the plasma cannon actually for? Embarrassing someone without having to tebag them. I know I'm not the only one that chuckles when I see a plasma cannon death on the kill feet. lol true true. Want to embaress people on the kill feed? Use a Militia Assault rifle. (?) See everything is better than the plasma cannon.
Mike Molle L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:20:00 - [28] - Quote Also, Milita swarms do more damage then a Proto Plasma Cannon
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 138	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:21:00 - [29] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Want to embaress people on the kill feed? Use a Recruit Assault rifle. (?) Repair'd. = D
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 97	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:22:00 - [30] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Jenova's Witness wrote: Do you get the impression that they were so worried about the dumbfire swarm fiasco in beta that they nerfed the plasma cannon while it was made? I've never fired one, but a corp mate has. I can honestly say you might be on to something. = D I'm perfectly OK with it btw. It's like the RPG's in MAG... only it's ALSO completely ineffective against vehicles. an classic RPG shoots STRAIGHT forward plasma cannon has an arch when fired so you have to calculate how high you have to aim in order to get the projectile where you want plasma cannon looks like an RPG but fires like a mortar plasma cannon is a portable mortar untill u calculate and **** the target is gone so far its all about luck with plasma cannon and when u got some luck to hit , it sucks if u play with plasma cannon you have to play like a sniper choose a position and wait for a target



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