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Jenova's Witness wrote:

iceyburnz wrote:

ladwar wrote:

that's fun because I destroy MLT LAVs with the MLT SL maybe you fight people with skills and BPOs on yours like they should or maybe you ran into mine which has a resist amp on it and I skilled into that type of vehicle. on the LLAV note that's a proto LAV vs a proto AV so its on par for the tier and thus not impossible just takes more thought to take them out because its speed is one of the biggest part of its survivability.

Well you say that and I say another thing. The proto SL verses the Proto (or advanced tiered whatever) LAVs do not scale. I have SL 5 and spec 4. I run with gallente proto suit with 3 complex light mods and I can get one whole volley on a running Logisitcs LAV and it does anout 40% shield for a full hit. they regen fast though and travel faster.

I've spent the whole match trying to kill it. Then it ran into a wall and only with a tanks help did it die. Those buggers are tough. But they should be. Im not complaining I never got the kill. However it is nearly impossible to take a logistic LAv out solo if the driver is smart and fitted well, which is what I meant, and I assumed you understood.

My cheap fit isn't as good. I still maintain you can't solo a miltia LAV with a militia swarm. But in the intrest of community spirit I shall test this after downtime again. It has been awhile since I roughed it with militia gear.

Maybe you're not supposed to solo it. Remember back in the day when marauder tanks needed several people to place a calculated strike to take on out? I wish HAV and derpships had this kind of survivability. It makes destroying them that much more rewarding.

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ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 582	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:25:00 - [31] - Quote Jenova's Witness wrote: ladwar wrote: iceyburnz wrote: Plasma cannon is useless. It does not fill an open niche. It is an ineffective AV weapon. Its is an ineffective AI weapon. It needs more clip. Firing time speed reducution, and to be made direct fire. Edit: I think the have to spool up time backwards. the Plasma cannon should have a cool down time as oppose to a spool up time. Maybe keep the one shot. And remove the wierd arc firing, slow shot. what it needs is some more direct damage, more ammo and remove the spool timer, its just annoying. Do you get the impression that they were so worried about the dumbfire swarm fiasco in beta that they nerfed the plasma cannon while it was made? yes, and since the forge gun I think they should of got over that, but didn't. as AV its needs more direct damage while the SL needs to be toned down some. the reload is a fine way to limit RoF so that's its close the forge. the ammo just seems to small so it makes less idea for the hit and run tactics(RPG style) that it has.
Jenova's Witness The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 152	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:29:00 - [32] - Quote ladwar wrote: yes, and since the forge gun I think they should of got over that, but didn't. as AV its needs more direct damage while the SL needs to be toned down some. the reload is a fine way to limit RoF so that's its close the forge. the ammo just seems to small so it makes less idea for the hit and run tactics(RPG style) that it has. Maybe they were worried about us crying that it's OP. I hope they fix it though, it looks like a fun weapon to use... when it wants to work.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 588	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:32:00 - [33] - Quote ladwar wrote: yes, and since the forge gun I think they should of got over that, but didn't. as AV its needs more direct damage while the SL needs to be toned down some. the reload is a fine way to limit RoF so that's its close the forge. the ammo just seems to small so it makes less idea for the hit and run tactics(RPG style) that it has. I actually think the SL is fine as it is. You have to go to proto before you can one hit pop militia LAVs and even then its the unfitted LAVs, which is fair. The forge is a way better AV weapon than the plasma cannon. But then the forge needs a heavy suit, which isn't really that much of a disadvantage. And it only has a spool up timer. I think all in all the best thing they could do is remove the arc and make it a straight firing weapon. keep the projectile speed slow so you still need player skill to lead your fast moving targets. As it stands: you have to lead, judge angle and time firing. Its too high a player skill requirment for ****** damage payout. The alternative would be to massively increase damage.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 582	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:49:00 - [34] - Quote when the proto SL can hits harder then proto assault FG on shields then the SL needs to be toned down. toned not a massive nerf just a better scaling the same for plasma cannon. and that's not true the MLT swarm can OHK the free LAV.
Jenova's Witness The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 152	Posted - 2013.06.04 10:51:00 - [35] - Quote MLT LAVs have more survivability than tanks. #Lolbalance.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 588	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:03:00 - [36] - Quote ladwar wrote: when the proto SL can hits harder then proto assault FG on shields then the SL needs to be toned down. toned not a massive nerf just a better scaling the same for plasma cannon. and that's not true the MLT swarm can OHK the free LAV. No they were recently buffed. Militia LAVs can survive a militia swarm launcher hit. Militia LAVs can even survive a standard SL hit. I use both standard and proto SL almost all the time. Ive seen militia LAVs survive proto swarm launcher hits (with a tiny sliver of damage left), this is because people are fitting them. Logisitics LAVs laugh at proto swarm launchers. Killing a fitted one is nearly impossible with a proto swarm launcher. But its does scare them off. If you nerf the SL your encouraging Logistic LAVs dropped to run people over. EDIT: btw Ive started a plasma cannon feedback thread in the feedback forum.
Jenova's Witness The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 153	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:12:00 - [37] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: ladwar wrote: when the proto SL can hits harder then proto assault FG on shields then the SL needs to be toned down. toned not a massive nerf just a better scaling the same for plasma cannon. and that's not true the MLT swarm can OHK the free LAV. No they were recently buffed. Militia LAVs can survive a militia swarm launcher hit. Militia LAVs can even survive a standard SL hit. I use both standard and proto SL almost all the time. Ive seen militia LAVs survive proto swarm launcher hits (with a tiny sliver of damage left), this is because people are fitting them. Logisitics LAVs laugh at proto swarm launchers. Killing a fitted one is nearly impossible with a proto swarm launcher. But its does scare them off. If you nerf the SL your encouraging Logistic LAVs dropped to run people over. EDIT: btw Ive started a plasma cannon feedback thread in the feedback forum. I don't mind murder taxis, they actually make speccing into real AV viable. But they need to take more damage when running people over to balance them out. HP is fine though. LAVs need something to make their turrets and tools more useful than the front bumper.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 588	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:15:00 - [38] - Quote Jenova's Witness wrote: iceyburnz wrote: ladwar wrote: when the proto SL can hits harder then proto assault FG on shields then the SL needs to be toned down. toned not a massive nerf just a better scaling the same for plasma cannon. and that's not true the MLT swarm can OHK the free LAV. No they were recently buffed. Militia LAVs can survive a militia swarm launcher hit. Militia LAVs can even survive a standard SL hit. I use both standard and proto SL almost all the time. Ive seen militia LAVs survive proto swarm launcher hits (with a tiny sliver of damage left), this is because people are fitting them. Logisitics LAVs laugh at proto swarm launchers. Killing a fitted one is nearly impossible with a proto swarm launcher. But its does scare them off. If you nerf the SL your encouraging Logistic LAVs dropped to run people over. EDIT: btw Ive started a plasma cannon feedback thread in the feedback forum. I don't mind murder taxis, they actually make speccing into real AV viable. But they need to take more damage when running people over to balance them out. HP is fine though. LAVs need something to make their turrets and tools more useful than the front bumper. I agree, the amount of logistics LAVs running about is just about right. And they require a significant investment of SP and Isk. Nerf the SL and the next logistcs LAv is the standard LAV and they are far more accessable. In short, I think the SL is fine. If your scared of it (hypothetical statement, not you personally). Run to the objective. Its only dangerious to vehicles and the SL is pretty weak against standard infantry.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 582	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:15:00 - [39] - Quote that's fun because I destroy MLT LAVs with the MLT SL maybe you fight people with skills and BPOs on yours like they should or maybe you ran into mine which has a resist amp on it and I skilled into that type of vehicle. on the LLAV note that's a proto LAV vs a proto AV so its on par for the tier and thus not impossible just takes more thought to take them out because its speed is one of the biggest part of its survivability.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 589	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:22:00 - [40] - Quote ladwar wrote: that's fun because I destroy MLT LAVs with the MLT SL maybe you fight people with skills and BPOs on yours like they should or maybe you ran into mine which has a resist amp on it and I skilled into that type of vehicle. on the LLAV note that's a proto LAV vs a proto AV so its on par for the tier and thus not impossible just takes more thought to take them out because its speed is one of the biggest part of its survivability. Well you say that and I say another thing. The proto SL verses the Proto (or advanced tiered whatever) LAVs do not scale. I have SL 5 and spec 4. I run with gallente proto suit with 3 complex light mods and I can get one whole volley on a running Logisitcs LAV and it does anout 40% shield for a full hit. they regen fast though and travel faster. I've spent the whole match trying to kill it. Then it ran into a wall and only with a tanks help did it die. Those buggers are tough. But they should be. Im not complaining I never got the kill. However it is nearly impossible to take a logistic LAv out solo if the driver is smart and fitted well, which is what I meant, and I assumed you understood. My cheap fit isn't as good. I still maintain you can't solo a miltia LAV with a militia swarm. But in the intrest of community spirit I shall test this after downtime again. It has been awhile since I roughed it with militia gear.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 582	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:25:00 - [41] - Quote you know what here 3:26 then tell me im wrong.
Jenova's Witness The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 154	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:27:00 - [42] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: ladwar wrote: that's fun because I destroy MLT LAVs with the MLT SL maybe you fight people with skills and BPOs on yours like they should or maybe you ran into mine which has a resist amp on it and I skilled into that type of vehicle. on the LLAV note that's a proto LAV vs a proto AV so its on par for the tier and thus not impossible just takes more thought to take them out because its speed is one of the biggest part of its survivability. Well you say that and I say another thing. The proto SL verses the Proto (or advanced tiered whatever) LAVs do not scale. I have SL 5 and spec 4. I run with gallente proto suit with 3 complex light mods and I can get one whole volley on a running Logisitcs LAV and it does anout 40% shield for a full hit. they regen fast though and travel faster. I've spent the whole match trying to kill it. Then it ran into a wall and only with a tanks help did it die. Those buggers are tough. But they should be. Im not complaining I never got the kill. However it is nearly impossible to take a logistic LAv out solo if the driver is smart and fitted well, which is what I meant, and I assumed you understood. My cheap fit isn't as good. I still maintain you can't solo a miltia LAV with a militia swarm. But in the intrest of community spirit I shall test this after downtime again. It has been awhile since I roughed it with militia gear. Maybe you're not supposed to solo it. Remember back in the day when marauder tanks needed several people to place a calculated strike to take on out? I wish HAV and derpships had this kind of survivability. It makes destroying them that much more rewarding.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 589	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:31:00 - [43] - Quote Jenova's Witness wrote: iceyburnz wrote: ladwar wrote: that's fun because I destroy MLT LAVs with the MLT SL maybe you fight people with skills and BPOs on yours like they should or maybe you ran into mine which has a resist amp on it and I skilled into that type of vehicle. on the LLAV note that's a proto LAV vs a proto AV so its on par for the tier and thus not impossible just takes more thought to take them out because its speed is one of the biggest part of its survivability. Well you say that and I say another thing. The proto SL verses the Proto (or advanced tiered whatever) LAVs do not scale. I have SL 5 and spec 4. I run with gallente proto suit with 3 complex light mods and I can get one whole volley on a running Logisitcs LAV and it does anout 40% shield for a full hit. they regen fast though and travel faster. I've spent the whole match trying to kill it. Then it ran into a wall and only with a tanks help did it die. Those buggers are tough. But they should be. Im not complaining I never got the kill. However it is nearly impossible to take a logistic LAv out solo if the driver is smart and fitted well, which is what I meant, and I assumed you understood. My cheap fit isn't as good. I still maintain you can't solo a miltia LAV with a militia swarm. But in the intrest of community spirit I shall test this after downtime again. It has been awhile since I roughed it with militia gear. Maybe you're not supposed to solo it. Remember back in the day when marauder tanks needed several people to place a calculated strike to take on out? I wish HAV and derpships had this kind of survivability. It makes destroying them that much more rewarding. I agree, I don't think the militia swarm should be about to insta pop a fitted militia LAV. Laziness and lack of prep shouldn't be rewarded. Unfitted LAVs should die to Militia swarms.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 589	Posted - 2013.06.04 11:34:00 - [44] - Quote ladwar wrote: you know what here 3:26 then tell me im wrong. Were talking about SL not tanks :/ but I understand your point. Judging from the video those were militia LAVS. And they looked unfitted considering the rate they dropped. I wish I had been in that battle, I can drop a militia tank in three volleys
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 6	Posted - 2013.06.04 16:29:00 - [45] - Quote Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm seeing a lot of discussion on the SL and how it needs to be nerfed. So I'm just going to comment on that real quick. The SL has one huge disadvantage I haven't seen mentioned yet. It only targets vehicles. So as I SL user you are forced to rely on your side arm if engaged by infantry. Unless you're logi. Then you're just screwed unless a teammate saves you. Because of this I think the SL deserves it's place as the supreme AV weapon. How supreme? I don't know, maybe homing is enough of an advantage. But if it wasn't the best nobody would use it.


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