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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2517	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:00:00 - [1] - Quote Since we just got back from a very long downtime and therefore a lot of folks are sifting through the forums for answers, let me take the opportunity to post an opinion piece on a certain aspect of the gaming industry that basically has me extremely concerned. Honestly I place full blame on companies like Electronic Arts, Activision, and many others who share their business practices for creating a culture of players with massive entitlement issues. Those of you with these entitlement issues, you know who you are. Companies like EA and the like catered towards your every whim and gave you everything on a silver platter including stuff you never earned. Now, to you that may be a good thing for players but in reality that is a trap and you fell for it. Like crack ******* or crystal meth, once you had a taste of it you got hooked and now it seems there is no turning back nor chance of escaping it. Every big-name game you see now (Call of Duty, Halo, Battlefield, Gears of War, etc.) are just the same game over and over with each iteration and you still have to fork over $60 for each iteration. Often times the companies sell you DLC content that I feel should have been added into the original releases in the first place. I don't want to pay extra money just a new map. Speaking of DLC, this brings me to my next point. Back in the old days of gaming, there was a time when playing a game required a certain level of dedication and hard work to gain or unlock new things. Once you got it, you felt a level of accomplishment. No game epitomized the good example of hard work and accomplishment than Legend of Zelda. It was a game that has the right balance of action packed gameplay while still making you work hard for the equipment you carried. Mortal Combat (the original) had the same setup in which you fought against progressively difficult opponents that you unlocked as you go along. Unfortunately, nowadays you see games where you can unlock those accomplishments with just a simple credit card which practically means that any effort you put into a game with such an option is turned into a joke and undermines the concept of working hard for what you got on your back. But nothing undermines the concept of working hard for what you got more than respecs (whether it's free or for sale) because it just means that anyone with enough points can simply swap into the flavor of the month weapon and thus make the whole thing of earning the weapon boring because what's the point of working hard for a weapon if you can swap point around for it if you have enough points? Why train up to 100 million SP to unlock more stuff if I only need 10 million SP to do the same? Rumors are abound that MAG suffered because of this. At least Halo got it right by NOT giving respecs (at least for now) and I'm already feeling the grind after reaching SR36 while my friend is no-lifing his way towards SR98 and his brother is at SR140+. It amazes me, shocks me, and to be honest makes me cry to see that the level of entitlement that some people exhibit are at extremely high levels. So much selfishness and now those same people are crawling into this forum wanting Dust 514 to be reduced to the same level as these corrupted games just because they say so. As if CCP is obligated to give them everything on a silver platter. There are also people here that I see that don't want anything to do with the metagame that New Eden exhibits and somehow want it removed. The very thought of seeing scams, awoxing, corp robbery, market manipulation, etc. scares these folks and for some reason they want it gone. But I can't blame you guys. I can't judge you folks for feeling so overly entitled. Why? Because it's not your fault that you are like that. The big name companies took full advantage of your laziness and now they want you to be even more lazy so that you can fork over your hard-earned cash for more stuff that technically should be earned through game play rather than through a credit card. Companies like EA and Activision have cast their fish hook and you bit the bait. Now they are reeling you in as another catch. To better sum it all up, here is a video posted on YouTube titled "EA in a Nutshell". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-LE0ycgkBQ&list=FLWAVCGsyDP1eXxAenraZ-KA&index=7 The sad part about this video is that it's all true. So please, to those of you with entitlement issues, I beg all of you to see the prison that you're in which the big-name companies have put you in and try to get out of it because frankly I don't want you guys to suffer anymore. Remember the old days in which you had to work hard for what you got rather than just pull out the credit card for it. There is a legitimate reason why the inhabitants of New Eden say "Adapt or Die" and "accept the consequences of your choices" because these rules are what made New Eden so successful during the past ten years and all of this was created through the hard work and dedication of the Eve players who provided the initial funding needed for the development of Dust 514. It's because of that hard work and dedication that we Dust players owe it to these Eve players to stay true to the core rules and principles of New Eden. Without them, Dust would not have existed. Now, I know some of you will troll me and you can go ahead and laugh at me for crying about other people crying and stuff like that, but I'm being extremely sincere when I say the following: I am really crying because of the sad state of affairs in the gaming industry. Is this our future in the gaming industry? To be reduced into nothing more than mindless gameplay where accomplishments are purchased with a credit card and entitlement issues are the norm or prerequisite? Again, I don't blame you for feeling so entitled. It's not your fault. You fell for the trap that many of these companies setup just for you. I hope you realize the slavery of your life in this prison.
Arcturis Vanguard Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 24	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:06:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed, well said makes tosh.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1159	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:15:00 - [3] - Quote And you only just realised this now?
Fingal Senga Codpiece Conundrum 33	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:15:00 - [4] - Quote Totally agreed.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 762	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:16:00 - [5] - Quote Sad, but true. Also unlikely to change anytime quickly.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2523	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:17:00 - [6] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: And you only just realised this now? Oh I've noticed this a long time ago. I just had it bottled up inside me.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1984	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:18:00 - [7] - Quote +1 well said.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 108	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:20:00 - [8] - Quote Welcome to what happens when your fav past time goes from niche pass time to an entertainment industry leading $80 billion business. Free-to-play = no barrier to involvement = a forum mixed with die hard fans, fans, trolls, haters and QQers. Don't lament over the state of the industry because of the rabble that fester in these forums. There is plenty of good stuff to celebrate. :)
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 175	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:21:00 - [9] - Quote In other words, you like having the feeling of 'earning' things over the current setup, and think that anyone who doesn't is an entitled whiner. I have a better idea.... how about you realize there is a market for casual games out there, and being judgmental doesn't matter at ALL to the people who like those sort of games. Yes, you do't like it. Yes, there are a lot of casual games out there... But who the **** are you to say people are stupid for liking what they like and having preferences?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 654	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:22:00 - [10] - Quote +1, excellent post.

Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:26:00 - [11] - Quote Your blame is in the wrong place (singling out those companies) as yes those companies exploited it but they really are catering to the society and we on a whole have been come very entitled. Blame Apple and MS and Google etc for giving us everything at our fingertips or now, voice. Blame telco's for giving us fast internet and manufacturers for giving us amazing products..... There is really nobody to blame but the person in the mirror. At the height of a society we indulge and even this global financial crisis hasnt slowed down our appetite. Many out there are struggling but the ones that have are enjoying to their hearts content.
belly fat Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:26:00 - [12] - Quote i was going to start a post with only a title that read Self Righteous Entitlement it's pretty much all that needs to be said.
Sev Alcatraz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 267	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:28:00 - [13] - Quote +1 to you sir very well spoken
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2529	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:30:00 - [14] - Quote @Zyrus And who are you to say I shouldn't say what I feel about all this?
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 209	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:31:00 - [15] - Quote Very well worded tosch. But you have two very different genres here. you can't skim by it, and act shocked that the FPS players find the mmo aspects... BORING. You can EA this and that. And I agree with you on some points. But what about those like me? Those that 80% of FPS games make up their diet. EA? Activision? You know there are more FPS publishers out there. ARMA, SOCOM, RESISTANCE, PLANETSIDE, UNREAL TOURNAMENT, TRIBES, RAINBOW SIX, SECTION 8 (this game pretty much.. just better features) It seems your coming from a RPG and MMO perspective. EVE and Korean mmo players (looking at you korean mmo) giggle at grinds. But not everyone loves to grind. You say those may not love the grind have entitlement issues, but that's as easy as me saying EVE is a OCD delight. Its Boring. But has to do with one's personal taste. Not entitlement. You want in depth FPS? It's not this game. Look up Arma, or vegas 2.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2532	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:41:00 - [16] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Very well worded tosch. But you have two very different genres here. you can't skim by it, and act shocked that the FPS players find the mmo aspects... BORING. You can EA this and that. And I agree with you on some points. But what about those like me? Those that 80% of FPS games make up their diet. EA? Activision? You know there are more FPS publishers out there. ARMA, SOCOM, RESISTANCE, PLANETSIDE, UNREAL TOURNAMENT, TRIBES, RAINBOW SIX, SECTION 8 (this game pretty much.. just better features) It seems your coming from a RPG and MMO perspective. EVE and Korean mmo players (looking at you korean mmo) giggle at grinds. But not everyone loves to grind. You say those may not love the grind have entitlement issues, but that's as easy as me saying EVE is a OCD delight. Its Boring. But has to do with one's personal taste. Not entitlement. You want in depth FPS? It's not this game. Look up Arma, or vegas 2. The point of my post is that the gaming industry, regardless of genre, is turning into a kind of industry that basically rewards lazy behavior. It's nice to know that there are plenty of games like the ones you mentioned just now that don't follow this concept and I am glad games like Rainbow Six don't have that. But with the forceful marketing of the other games that do follow the concept, it makes me afraid for the future of the industry standards. I don't want Dust to be forced into this concept just to be able to compete with other games. I remember in the old days when I use to play games like Doom (the original one).
Interplanetary Insanitarium Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:43:00 - [17] - Quote tl; dr all of it. Just skimmed. Yeah, capitalism, it's a *** but we gotta deal with it. Until it gets to the point, again, where big developers aren't making games necessarily for the profit we're stuck with people who choose to use videogames as a babysitter, thus creating an influx of people who feel entitled to get what they want because their parents told them they were special... which led to franchises like how CoD is now. Seriously, if these kids played games like CS 1.6 they'd be flipping ** almost constantly... I'd be headshotting them with the scout and they'd be all like "WTF!?! I'm using the AWP!!! YOU SHOULD BE DED NERF THE SCOUT FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2532	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:43:00 - [18] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Your blame is in the wrong place (singling out those companies) as yes those companies exploited it but they really are catering to the society and we on a whole have been come very entitled. Blame Apple and MS and Google etc for giving us everything at our fingertips or now, voice. Blame telco's for giving us fast internet and manufacturers for giving us amazing products..... There is really nobody to blame but the person in the mirror. At the height of a society we indulge and even this global financial crisis hasnt slowed down our appetite. Many out there are struggling but the ones that have are enjoying to their hearts content. Right now, I just want to talk about the gaming industry in general. Those other things you pointed out should be reserved for another topic.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2532	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:47:00 - [19] - Quote Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: tl; dr all of it. Just skimmed. Yeah, capitalism, it's a *** but we gotta deal with it. Until it gets to the point, again, where big developers aren't making games necessarily for the profit we're stuck with people who choose to use videogames as a babysitter, thus creating an influx of people who feel entitled to get what they want because their parents told them they were special... which led to franchises like how CoD is now. Seriously, if these kids played games like CS 1.6 they'd be flipping ** almost constantly... I'd be headshotting them with the scout and they'd be all like "WTF!?! I'm using the AWP!!! YOU SHOULD BE DED NERF THE SCOUT FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I remember Counter Strike Source. I was so scared to turn a corner because of the headshot-aim-bots and wall glitchers, but overall it was still fun and made me think how to approach things.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 286	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:48:00 - [20] - Quote Kinda sad that they think we're just trained monkeys who will continue to put up with the treatment. Even sadder that many of us dove headlong into being the trained monkey they view us as.

SoCal Ninja IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 85	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:00:00 - [21] - Quote What's funny is that you feel entitled enough to think that you know all and that you are the one to "save" these people from the cruel games industry.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:01:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Your blame is in the wrong place (singling out those companies) as yes those companies exploited it but they really are catering to the society and we on a whole have been come very entitled. Blame Apple and MS and Google etc for giving us everything at our fingertips or now, voice. Blame telco's for giving us fast internet and manufacturers for giving us amazing products..... There is really nobody to blame but the person in the mirror. At the height of a society we indulge and even this global financial crisis hasnt slowed down our appetite. Many out there are struggling but the ones that have are enjoying to their hearts content. Right now, I just want to talk about the gaming industry in general. Those other things you pointed out should be reserved for another topic. Well maybe you should step away from the high horse and challenge the people who lap up and love what those companies spill out. Why do you think they are so many shooters with many similar mechanics - why do you think we are seeing so many sequels and are going to be in a movie Marvel vs DC blockbuster palooza I think the best you can do is mobilize "this" gamer base to your side and fight for what you want CCP to put out. Population on a whole just want their jollies how they want it and you preaching isnt really having any effect. I for one wont be so self righteous, there are certain things I care about and feel entitled to - a working product with the bare bones basics done well. I get pissed when I have to wait or things dont function as advertised. I cant blame other companies for putting out better games that make me expect a level of quality. Now if this is more about just a casual mode where the gamer expects to stomp everything - well that doesnt even work in those games.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2535	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:02:00 - [23] - Quote SoCal Ninja wrote: What's funny is that you feel entitled enough to think that you know all and that you are the one to "save" these people from the cruel games industry. I don't claim to know all. I'm just pointing out the obvious.
Interplanetary Insanitarium Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:07:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: tl; dr all of it. Just skimmed. Yeah, capitalism, it's a *** but we gotta deal with it. Until it gets to the point, again, where big developers aren't making games necessarily for the profit we're stuck with people who choose to use videogames as a babysitter, thus creating an influx of people who feel entitled to get what they want because their parents told them they were special... which led to franchises like how CoD is now. Seriously, if these kids played games like CS 1.6 they'd be flipping ** almost constantly... I'd be headshotting them with the scout and they'd be all like "WTF!?! I'm using the AWP!!! YOU SHOULD BE DED NERF THE SCOUT FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I remember Counter Strike Source. I was so scared to turn a corner because of the headshot-aim-bots and wall glitchers, but overall it was still fun and made me think how to approach things. Hah, yeah, after a while it got to be a bit much, but the some of the mods that people had for 1.6 were freakin sweet, like a random super power after every few kills and crazy things like that. I even ended up swapping out the gun noises for stupid fart noises I recorded just to hear fully auto farts. It was funny. But seriously, if there weren't hackers in that game and a kid who plays CoD now went to play that game they'd probably rage hardcore.
Rekon Syport ZionTCD Unclaimed. 14	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:12:00 - [25] - Quote Great write up. I have always felt there was a disconnect when the last next gen console focused on the graphics capabilities of POV. Everything went shooter or third person because that is how you show off the graphics. Side scrollers died, Box Party games Died, so many games were all but eliminated thanks to FPS style gaming focus on newer consoles. FPS also created the casual gamer EXPLOSION! No need to list what has already been listed as reclones and retitles game after game thus creating the franchises of FPS. No new innovation needed because most gamers are just all consuming FPS players for the past 5 or so years. I know plenty of people who only buy consoles for play FPS or even just one FPS religiously. I never looked at them as "Gamers." The true diversity of enjoyment of games, not a fan of a single type of game over and over and over. Those are just new school casuals the market has figured out how to make more money off of because it requires less dedication to creation and originality. But can you blame them? With the new consoles comes new gamers and they are playing with the lost experience of (HUGE LIST INSERT) so many different gaming styles and creation gone from today. But there are plenty of gems being created as well, just not as diverse. I laughed the idea MS and followers or pioneers (PC) started tracking achievements. Here play my game repeatedly for more longevity though there is really no reason to, other than I can stretch my release of game titles out and save money. Before it gets too long (Too Late), Maken Tosh we could have a huge convo on so many areas of this topic. DLC has been the topic of many a downfall of Gaming as we know it. But companies look to make one blockbuster game and sell rights or get sold off to bigger companies etc. EA is one of a handful of terrible gaming companies. The laziness of stretching content, extra fees. . . it all saves on development costs of new material, sooner games. No library today will rival those of Nintendo/Turbo/Sega/PS1 on any one single system. I am not sure I even scratched the surface of things I wanted to support and expand on with your post but surely I should wrap this up now. My soldiers always said I was long winded.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2538	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:13:00 - [26] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Well maybe you should step away from the high horse and challenge the people who lap up and love what those companies spill out. Why do you think they are so many shooters with many similar mechanics - why do you think we are seeing so many sequels and are going to be in a movie Marvel vs DC blockbuster palooza I think the best you can do is mobilize "this" gamer base to your side and fight for what you want CCP to put out. Population on a whole just want their jollies how they want it and you preaching isnt really having any effect. I for one wont be so self righteous, there are certain things I care about and feel entitled to - a working product with the bare bones basics done well. I get pissed when I have to wait or things dont function as advertised. I cant blame other companies for putting out better games that make me expect a level of quality. Now if this is more about just a casual mode where the gamer expects to stomp everything - well that doesnt even work in those games. I think you missed my point. This has nothing to do with what we should expect from a finished product. This is more to do with how a certain group of players have been conditioned to believe that paying rather than playing to reach a goal is now the norm. Also, have you noticed some players are demanding CCP to compensate them for the recent downtime that resulted from a DDoS attack? CCP's ToS and/or EULA states that CCP is not obligated to give anyone any compensation. Those folks should be happy that CCP was kind enough to plan to compensate them anyways. Then there are those demanding more respecs like it's required by law.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 630	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:15:00 - [27] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: In other words, you like having the feeling of 'earning' things over the current setup, and think that anyone who doesn't is an entitled whiner. I have a better idea.... how about you realize there is a market for casual games out there, and being judgmental doesn't matter at ALL to the people who like those sort of games. Yes, you do't like it. Yes, there are a lot of casual games out there... But who the **** are you to say people are stupid for liking what they like and having preferences? Some people like crappy beer too. Sure, they're entitled to their opinion, but it's still a stupid opinion. There is such a thing as stupid, or dumb, or ignorant. The entitled gamers that Tosh speaks of fall into this category. Yes, you are all entitled to your stupid opinion. That doesn't make it any less stupid.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2540	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:21:00 - [28] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: In other words, you like having the feeling of 'earning' things over the current setup, and think that anyone who doesn't is an entitled whiner. I have a better idea.... how about you realize there is a market for casual games out there, and being judgmental doesn't matter at ALL to the people who like those sort of games. Yes, you do't like it. Yes, there are a lot of casual games out there... But who the **** are you to say people are stupid for liking what they like and having preferences? Some people like crappy beer too. Sure, they're entitled to their opinion, but it's still a stupid opinion. There is such a thing as stupid, or dumb, or ignorant. The entitled gamers that Tosh speaks of fall into this category. Yes, you are all entitled to your stupid opinion. That doesn't make it any less stupid. This is why I like Sam Adams: Boston Lager rather than that crappy ass Corona.
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries 54	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:22:00 - [29] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Some people like crappy beer too. Sure, they're entitled to their opinion, but it's still a stupid opinion. So, a matter of simple taste is an opinion which is stupid? wtf are you saying.
grreen mctree Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:23:00 - [30] - Quote Op you are drama queen. Why would anybody give a ** about your perceptions of the gaming industry? How do other players cheevos affect you? Maybe off back to ghosts n ghouls if you don't like it? You care waaaaaaay to much about video games. All that about undermining the hard work because of credit cards.......WHO ***** CARES? You are a grumpy old drama queen.



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