I think you missed my point. This has nothing to do with what we should expect from a finished product. This is more to do with how a certain group of players have been conditioned to believe that paying rather than playing to reach a goal is now the norm. Also, have you noticed some players are demanding CCP to compensate them for the recent downtime that resulted from a DDoS attack? CCP's ToS and/or EULA states that CCP is not obligated to give anyone any compensation. Those folks should be happy that CCP was kind enough to plan to compensate them anyways. Then there are those demanding more respecs like it's required by law.

As rekon said, there have been some real gems these last few years, I mean games like heavy rain, littlebig planet, flower, and journey are among the best games I ever played. And say what you like about gears of war it still has one if the beat videogame storylines IMO.

OP, I'm just glad to see that someone here literally QQs over the state of the gaming industry and specifically, a sect of "entitled" gamers that they cater to.

Only thing I gleaned from that wall of text and boy, what a gem.



Had a laugh at the "+1's" and the "well said op's"...what a bunch of drama queens. You read all that drivel? Shame on you.

OP, I'm just glad to see that someone here literally QQs over the state of the gaming industry and specifically, a sect of "entitled" gamers that they cater to.

Only thing I gleaned from that wall of text and boy, what a gem.



Had a laugh at the "+1's" and the "well said op's"...what a bunch of drama queens. You read all that drivel? Shame on you.

Aren't you one hell offa conversationalist! Wish I had been a fly on the wall when you first time met your girlfriend's parents!

The point of my post is that the gaming industry, regardless of genre, is turning into a kind of industry that basically rewards lazy behavior. It's nice to know that there are plenty of games like the ones you mentioned just now that don't follow this concept and I am glad games like Rainbow Six don't have that. But with the forceful marketing of the other games that do follow the concept, it makes me afraid for the future of the industry standards. I don't want Dust to be forced into this concept just to be able to compete with other games.

I remember in the old days when I use to play games like Doom (the original one).

As long as they are making money and idiots keep spending money for their products this wont change. And you cant really blame EA or anyone else. Who needs to spend the time/money to make a great game when an average game can be made and make the same amount of money especially when reviewers now have average games getting great scores. Games like MGS4 gets ranked 10 simply because there is not a scale high enough to show how much better that game is compared to the other games that are ranked a 9.0. This is also why my game library is so small made up of only great games or fun games.

That being said Last of Us looks like they might be breaking the trend.....and Destiny also is looking pretty good. Only time will tell but at this point it does appear that there are some devs that are making really good games. We as gamers just need to know who to support with our dollars as if the good game makers get support at the bad/average not so much then the bad/average will have to step up their game.

In other words, you like having the feeling of 'earning' things over the current setup, and think that anyone who doesn't is an entitled whiner.

I have a better idea.... how about you realize there is a market for casual games out there, and being judgmental doesn't matter at ALL to the people who like those sort of games.

Yes, you do't like it. Yes, there are a lot of casual games out there... But who the **** are you to say people are stupid for liking what they like and having preferences?

Very well worded tosch. But you have two very different genres here. you can't skim by it, and act shocked that the FPS players find the mmo aspects... BORING.

You can EA this and that. And I agree with you on some points. But what about those like me? Those that 80% of FPS games make up their diet. EA? Activision? You know there are more FPS publishers out there. ARMA, SOCOM, RESISTANCE, PLANETSIDE, UNREAL TOURNAMENT, TRIBES, RAINBOW SIX, SECTION 8 (this game pretty much.. just better features)

It seems your coming from a RPG and MMO perspective.

EVE and Korean mmo players (looking at you korean mmo) giggle at grinds. But not everyone loves to grind. You say those may not love the grind have entitlement issues, but that's as easy as me saying EVE is a OCD delight. Its Boring.


But has to do with one's personal taste. Not entitlement.

You want in depth FPS? It's not this game. Look up Arma, or vegas 2.

What's funny is that you feel entitled enough to think that you know all and that you are the one to "save" these people from the cruel games industry.

I know plenty of people who only buy consoles for play FPS or even just one FPS religiously. I never looked at them as "Gamers." The true diversity of enjoyment of games, not a fan of a single type of game over and over and over. Those are just new school casuals the market has figured out how to make more money off of because it requires less dedication to creation and originality. But you also have a huge number of companies these days to select from all looking for one hit instead of a great library.

Yes, you do't like it. Yes, there are a lot of casual games out there... But who the **** are you to say people are stupid for liking what they like and having preferences?

I think the problem is that there used to a market for hard games too - like Korean grinders (oh they joy of taking weeks to get just a % or two XP in Legend of Mir) or hardcore pvp games like Shadowbane. (sorry my background is PC so I guess these are unfamiliar names to many). However nowadays because it costs so much to put a game out they all tend towards the easy/casual. Have to admit I am now a casual player - the years catch you up in the end, but I would still most likely give a new hardgame a go if it got released.

Is it privileged when I want the same level of power as another person? I like competition, and just pouring time into a game for better stats like World of Warcraft kinda makes it impossible to compete unless have spent hours and hours for the gear. Unlockable content is cool, but they should be aesthetics. Else your just a "privleged" combatant of time and gear when skill should matter more. Unless of course you suck and need the leg up that is ^_^


I think thats why I enjoy killing people in proto gear so much. They had the advantage 8o

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