DUST Search - The Sad State of the Gaming Industry and The Prison You Are In

Maken Tosch wrote:

Daxxis KANNAH wrote:

Well maybe you should step away from the high horse and challenge the people who lap up and love what those companies spill out.

Why do you think they are so many shooters with many similar mechanics - why do you think we are seeing so many sequels and are going to be in a movie Marvel vs DC blockbuster palooza

I think the best you can do is mobilize "this" gamer base to your side and fight for what you want CCP to put out. Population on a whole just want their jollies how they want it and you preaching isnt really having any effect.

I for one wont be so self righteous, there are certain things I care about and feel entitled to - a working product with the bare bones basics done well. I get pissed when I have to wait or things dont function as advertised. I cant blame other companies for putting out better games that make me expect a level of quality.

Now if this is more about just a casual mode where the gamer expects to stomp everything - well that doesnt even work in those games.

I think you missed my point. This has nothing to do with what we should expect from a finished product. This is more to do with how a certain group of players have been conditioned to believe that paying rather than playing to reach a goal is now the norm. Also, have you noticed some players are demanding CCP to compensate them for the recent downtime that resulted from a DDoS attack? CCP's ToS and/or EULA states that CCP is not obligated to give anyone any compensation. Those folks should be happy that CCP was kind enough to plan to compensate them anyways. Then there are those demanding more respecs like it's required by law.


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Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:26:00 - [1] - Quote Your blame is in the wrong place (singling out those companies) as yes those companies exploited it but they really are catering to the society and we on a whole have been come very entitled. Blame Apple and MS and Google etc for giving us everything at our fingertips or now, voice. Blame telco's for giving us fast internet and manufacturers for giving us amazing products..... There is really nobody to blame but the person in the mirror. At the height of a society we indulge and even this global financial crisis hasnt slowed down our appetite. Many out there are struggling but the ones that have are enjoying to their hearts content.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:01:00 - [2] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Your blame is in the wrong place (singling out those companies) as yes those companies exploited it but they really are catering to the society and we on a whole have been come very entitled. Blame Apple and MS and Google etc for giving us everything at our fingertips or now, voice. Blame telco's for giving us fast internet and manufacturers for giving us amazing products..... There is really nobody to blame but the person in the mirror. At the height of a society we indulge and even this global financial crisis hasnt slowed down our appetite. Many out there are struggling but the ones that have are enjoying to their hearts content. Right now, I just want to talk about the gaming industry in general. Those other things you pointed out should be reserved for another topic. Well maybe you should step away from the high horse and challenge the people who lap up and love what those companies spill out. Why do you think they are so many shooters with many similar mechanics - why do you think we are seeing so many sequels and are going to be in a movie Marvel vs DC blockbuster palooza I think the best you can do is mobilize "this" gamer base to your side and fight for what you want CCP to put out. Population on a whole just want their jollies how they want it and you preaching isnt really having any effect. I for one wont be so self righteous, there are certain things I care about and feel entitled to - a working product with the bare bones basics done well. I get pissed when I have to wait or things dont function as advertised. I cant blame other companies for putting out better games that make me expect a level of quality. Now if this is more about just a casual mode where the gamer expects to stomp everything - well that doesnt even work in those games.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:33:00 - [3] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Well maybe you should step away from the high horse and challenge the people who lap up and love what those companies spill out. Why do you think they are so many shooters with many similar mechanics - why do you think we are seeing so many sequels and are going to be in a movie Marvel vs DC blockbuster palooza I think the best you can do is mobilize "this" gamer base to your side and fight for what you want CCP to put out. Population on a whole just want their jollies how they want it and you preaching isnt really having any effect. I for one wont be so self righteous, there are certain things I care about and feel entitled to - a working product with the bare bones basics done well. I get pissed when I have to wait or things dont function as advertised. I cant blame other companies for putting out better games that make me expect a level of quality. Now if this is more about just a casual mode where the gamer expects to stomp everything - well that doesnt even work in those games. I think you missed my point. This has nothing to do with what we should expect from a finished product. This is more to do with how a certain group of players have been conditioned to believe that paying rather than playing to reach a goal is now the norm. Also, have you noticed some players are demanding CCP to compensate them for the recent downtime that resulted from a DDoS attack? CCP's ToS and/or EULA states that CCP is not obligated to give anyone any compensation. Those folks should be happy that CCP was kind enough to plan to compensate them anyways. Then there are those demanding more respecs like it's required by law. But that is the world we now live in. We have been conditioned and expect it. Didnt gamers want to sue Bioware for the ME3 ending, people petition companies all the time for loss of service whether it is out of the companies control or not. I understand what you are driving at but I think it is a losing battle personally. Either CCP holds firm and cracks down big time to set their own universe in here or things from outside will permeate with people asking and expecting. Now, as I have said in another thread, sorry for CCP being attacked but security is part of the business and if you go down you should compensate your customers on some level though they really shouldnt make a big thing of it. Really this should be in a contingency where they hand out X for outage times and get back to doing what they do - whomever doesnt like it - tough. On the paying rather than playing - that is the model they chose so obviously they have to factor in how they deal with that section who is driving their profitability. Are they going to bend over backwards or just hold the line. Maybe an expansion in their PR / customer service is needed.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2013.06.04 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote Vane Arcadia wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Yes, you do't like it. Yes, there are a lot of casual games out there... But who the **** are you to say people are stupid for liking what they like and having preferences? I think the problem is that there used to a market for hard games too - like Korean grinders (oh they joy of taking weeks to get just a % or two XP in Legend of Mir) or hardcore pvp games like Shadowbane. (sorry my background is PC so I guess these are unfamiliar names to many). However nowadays because it costs so much to put a game out they all tend towards the easy/casual. Have to admit I am now a casual player - the years catch you up in the end, but I would still most likely give a new hardgame a go if it got released. Have to totally agree here. I remember the days of Gran Turismo and even the first Forza - I could come home and devote my entire night to just lap-timing one vehicle to get it just right. Games like Madden and 2K that I could master and beat anyone except my kid brother. Shooters I was never that good at but when Halo came out I devoted much time to it and then was really decent at Halo 2 and Gears of War but..... Once life and job and marriage kick in you cant devote that much time and sometimes easy mode just to experience the game are fine. Also people who are alien to gaming but want to try the experience need it. So there is a place. To this notion of because a game has easy mode it is for noobs or dumbed down is rubbish. You take the top guys from those games and give them a week in Dust and they would easily top the charts (granted they had a decent character with some skills). Those games that everyone wants to blame have accessibility but to be really top notch at you need skill.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2013.06.04 20:40:00 - [5] - Quote But Dust is a MP game that takes skill to play whether you have SP or not - the more SP the easier it is versus less skilled players or very low SP players. I want to understand what you guys want to change pertaining to Dust because it is not one type of player that comes on here wanting the game balanced a certain way. I think CCP does a very poor job (bless your heart posters who post constantly to pull the truth out of the devs) of communicating what they desire from certain parts of this game. Also - Dust isnt a Demon Souls type of game, it is trying to appeal to a wide crossection. The logi suit is the prime example as it was put there for those who may not have great gun game