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vIO8 Venilen Eugenics Agency 27	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:23:00 - [31] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: I had CPM tell me explicitly that CCP HAD to PUNISH the players for EXPLOITING. CCP made all the mistakes here, but even our "appointed representation" believes the players should burden the consequences or leave. And I was also told it doesn't matter if they leave... great long term thinking there. What's most amusing is members of CPM using things like AFK and AWOXing as legitimate "tactics", because CCP screwed up, then turning around and laughing at those effected by CCPs latest blunder. It's just funny. This is what confuses me the most. Forgive me because I am somewhat new to the New Eden "adapt or die" and "HTFU" motto. If stealing from corps and screwing people over is the way things are "supposed to be" here, not to sound rude but shouldn't CCP "HTFU" or "adapt or die" because actions have consequences right?
Ric Barlom Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 216	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:24:00 - [32] - Quote ImpureMort wrote: Ric Barlom wrote: Alright, guys, time for some real talk Ric Barlom style. Because, guys, I don't know about you but personally I'm kind of sick and tired of this BS entitled attitude that plagues the western world these days, man! I mean my God people expect to be treated like they are kings and queens by you just because they buy a product or service from you. At the same time, man, the very same people treat you like dirt just because they buy a product or service from you. Now if everyone followed that behaviour pattern, and I know a lot of people do, then the only people who would be treated somewhat good, would be the people who provide no products or services, but instead consume stuff with welfare checks! All I can tell you about that, is that I think it's ****** up! Here's a radical idea for you guys: How about we just treat people like people. How about we treat nice people nicely and how about if we treat cunty people like, we all know how they should be treated! if only ccp was capable rick. dont hold your breath I'm not holding my breath, bro. CCP does what it does, but even so I'm honestly more worried about the community here.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1029	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:25:00 - [33] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: I had CPM tell me explicitly that CCP HAD to PUNISH the players for EXPLOITING. CCP made all the mistakes here, but even our "appointed representation" believes the players should burden the consequences or leave. And I was also told it doesn't matter if they leave... great long term thinking there. You're misinterpreting (Willingly or not) what I said, on IRC. What I said was "In any case where there's a chance of exploitation, CCP always throws in a caveat like that as a warning, otherwise people who knowingly abused something for personal gain have free reign because there was 'no warning'. I was referring to the wording of the post, which I am completely fine with. The post says that if you didn't knowingly abuse anything, you won't have anything to worry about. Some people are apparently 'missing' ISK, which is a problem. The wording of the post however, is not.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:30:00 - [34] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: I had CPM tell me explicitly that CCP HAD to PUNISH the players for EXPLOITING. CCP made all the mistakes here, but even our "appointed representation" believes the players should burden the consequences or leave. And I was also told it doesn't matter if they leave... great long term thinking there. You're misinterpreting (Willingly or not) what I said, on IRC. What I said was "In any case where there's a chance of exploitation, CCP always throws in a caveat like that as a warning, otherwise people who knowingly abused something for personal gain have free reign because there was 'no warning'. I was referring to the wording of the post, which I am completely fine with. The post says that if you didn't knowingly abuse anything, you won't have anything to worry about. Some people are apparently 'missing' ISK, which is a problem. The wording of the post however, is not. EDIT: While CCP is notorious for bad communication in general, this is something we are trying to push for. We've been grilling them about moving 'news' stuff away from the launcher (Which everyone skips) and ingame 'prompts' (which everyone closes as fast as possible so they can keep shooting) and into stuff like a 'news' tab in the neocom, or even something as simple as a mass mail. Thank you for bringing up the merc pack fiasco again. They literally held player's time invested in the game hostage to ensure they didn't have to fulfill their end of the bargin.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 156	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:34:00 - [35] - Quote I go to the bank. I withdraw $50 the bank accidentally gives me $10,000. Do you really think I should spend that money? Do you really think I will not be put into prison of I hide it and refuse to give it back? Anyway this is an exaggeration. What really happens is some cashier at a 7/11 gives you a buck or two extra in change and you notice it and keep the money anyway. You are an sshole and crook if you do this....no one should feel sorry for you if that cashier talks smack about you. They should cheer it on. ... Three cheers for CCP for talking smack to ssholes and crooks.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 12	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:35:00 - [36] - Quote Assuming the mechanics are close ill be on destiny too, CCP you have been warned by lots of us at this point.
Ceerix MKII Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 36	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:35:00 - [37] - Quote If people were got an extra 1-5m ISK I can see spending it and not realizing that it was a mistake on CCPs part. But that's also not game breaking for the person might be forced to run militia for a day or two but then you would be back in the black. But people that are getting 100m+ then giving it to your corp or spending it all should know better then expect to keep it. Its the same as a bank error or a mistake on your pay check where they give you extra money, the bank will come and take that money out of your account. Or if its your pay check there is a good chance they will dock pay from your next few checks to make up for the mistake. CCP also stated that if you did blow all your cash then they would they would go in a take the items away to get you where your not negative. As for not knowing about there being an issue there was a giant pop up in game telling you about it.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:38:00 - [38] - Quote Ceerix MKII wrote: If people were got an extra 1-5m ISK I can see spending it and not realizing that it was a mistake on CCPs part. But that's also not game breaking for the person might be forced to run militia for a day or two but then you would be back in the black. But people that are getting 100m+ then giving it to your corp or spending it all should know better then expect to keep it. Its the same as a bank error or a mistake on your pay check where they give you extra money, the bank will come and take that money out of your account. Or if its your pay check there is a good chance they will dock pay from your next few checks to make up for the mistake. CCP also stated that if you did blow all your cash then they would they would go in a take the items away to get you where your not negative. As for not knowing about there being an issue there was a giant pop up in game telling you about it. People who spent it who don't buy aur, can't even run militia. Have you ever run a negative isk account. There is a reason it is the punishment for botting/RMTing because it is a freaking nightmare.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 263	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:40:00 - [39] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Ceerix MKII wrote: If people were got an extra 1-5m ISK I can see spending it and not realizing that it was a mistake on CCPs part. But that's also not game breaking for the person might be forced to run militia for a day or two but then you would be back in the black. But people that are getting 100m+ then giving it to your corp or spending it all should know better then expect to keep it. Its the same as a bank error or a mistake on your pay check where they give you extra money, the bank will come and take that money out of your account. Or if its your pay check there is a good chance they will dock pay from your next few checks to make up for the mistake. CCP also stated that if you did blow all your cash then they would they would go in a take the items away to get you where your not negative. As for not knowing about there being an issue there was a giant pop up in game telling you about it. People who spent it who don't buy aur, can't even run militia. Have you ever run a negative isk account. There is a reason it is the punishment for botting/RMTing because it is a freaking nightmare. Um, Starter Fits?
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 186	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:41:00 - [40] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Why are you bringing corporations into this? You know how many times I was viewed as a AWOXer simply because I was in betamax.... More then I can count.... Most of the time it was the imperfects doing so....

Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1822	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:41:00 - [41] - Quote hooc order wrote: I go to the bank. [some other stuff] You're still missing the point.
Ceerix MKII Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 36	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:42:00 - [42] - Quote I haven't botted or RMT so no I haven't had to deal with neg account in EVE and the starter fits are all free they suck.. but they are free.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1822	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:43:00 - [43] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: Why are you bringing corporations into this? You know how many times I was viewed as a AWOXer simply because I was in betamax.... More then I can count.... Most of the time it was the imperfects doing so.... Irrelevant. Also, you're trying to justify this stupid behaviour because someone else was allegedly guilty of the same stupid behaviour, while engaging in the stupid behaviour yourself.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:43:00 - [44] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Ceerix MKII wrote: If people were got an extra 1-5m ISK I can see spending it and not realizing that it was a mistake on CCPs part. But that's also not game breaking for the person might be forced to run militia for a day or two but then you would be back in the black. But people that are getting 100m+ then giving it to your corp or spending it all should know better then expect to keep it. Its the same as a bank error or a mistake on your pay check where they give you extra money, the bank will come and take that money out of your account. Or if its your pay check there is a good chance they will dock pay from your next few checks to make up for the mistake. CCP also stated that if you did blow all your cash then they would they would go in a take the items away to get you where your not negative. As for not knowing about there being an issue there was a giant pop up in game telling you about it. People who spent it who don't buy aur, can't even run militia. Have you ever run a negative isk account. There is a reason it is the punishment for botting/RMTing because it is a freaking nightmare. Um, Starter Fits? Run 4 fits, that are bad fits, with no variation, for a week? What kind of person puts up with that when all they want to do is log in and play the game?
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock Ultramarine Corp 13	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:43:00 - [45] - Quote I think CCP did a great job communicating. Then again I actually pay attention to them. Also I understand that they are in semi uncharted territory here. If you guys wanna boycott or file complaints, that's your right and by all means do it. I for one, am not displeased with them or their practices. The playerbase however leaves something to be desired.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1822	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:45:00 - [46] - Quote Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote: I think CCP did a great job communicating. Then again I actually pay attention to them. Also I understand that they are in semi uncharted territory here. If you guys wanna boycott or file complaints, that's your right and by all means do it. I for one, am not displeased with them or their practices. The playerbase however leaves something to be desired. That's because you're a poster on the forum, which is the minority they targeted with the communication... and apparently don't personally care what tone they use in engaging with you.
Ric Barlom Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 219	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:45:00 - [47] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Ric Barlom wrote: Alright, guys, time for some real talk Ric Barlom style. Because, guys, I don't know about you but personally I'm kind of sick and tired of this BS entitled attitude that plagues the western world these days, man! I mean my God people expect to be treated like they are kings and queens by you just because they buy a product or service from you. At the same time, man, the very same people treat you like dirt just because they buy a product or service from you. Now if everyone followed that behaviour pattern, and I know a lot of people do, then the only people who would be treated somewhat good, would be the people who provide no products or services, but instead consume stuff with welfare checks! All I can tell you about that, is that I think it's ****** up! Here's a radical idea for you guys: How about we just treat people like people. How about we treat nice people nicely and how about if we treat cunty people like, we all know how they should be treated! How should we treat people if we're addressing everyone at once, Ric? I think you missed the point, dude.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 263	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:46:00 - [48] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Ceerix MKII wrote: If people were got an extra 1-5m ISK I can see spending it and not realizing that it was a mistake on CCPs part. But that's also not game breaking for the person might be forced to run militia for a day or two but then you would be back in the black. But people that are getting 100m+ then giving it to your corp or spending it all should know better then expect to keep it. Its the same as a bank error or a mistake on your pay check where they give you extra money, the bank will come and take that money out of your account. Or if its your pay check there is a good chance they will dock pay from your next few checks to make up for the mistake. CCP also stated that if you did blow all your cash then they would they would go in a take the items away to get you where your not negative. As for not knowing about there being an issue there was a giant pop up in game telling you about it. People who spent it who don't buy aur, can't even run militia. Have you ever run a negative isk account. There is a reason it is the punishment for botting/RMTing because it is a freaking nightmare. Um, Starter Fits? Run 4 fits, that are bad fits, with no variation, for a week? What kind of person puts up with that when all they want to do is log in and play the game? I have personalized fits, though I also kept my starter fits. They aren't the best, though they are perfectly functional and as already noted-- 100% free. I use them more often that you might think.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1822	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:47:00 - [49] - Quote Ric Barlom wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: Ric Barlom wrote: Alright, guys, time for some real talk Ric Barlom style. Because, guys, I don't know about you but personally I'm kind of sick and tired of this BS entitled attitude that plagues the western world these days, man! I mean my God people expect to be treated like they are kings and queens by you just because they buy a product or service from you. At the same time, man, the very same people treat you like dirt just because they buy a product or service from you. Now if everyone followed that behaviour pattern, and I know a lot of people do, then the only people who would be treated somewhat good, would be the people who provide no products or services, but instead consume stuff with welfare checks! All I can tell you about that, is that I think it's ****** up! Here's a radical idea for you guys: How about we just treat people like people. How about we treat nice people nicely and how about if we treat cunty people like, we all know how they should be treated! How should we treat people if we're addressing everyone at once, Ric? I think you missed the point, dude. You gave advice about how to address people based on the kind of people they are. The thread is about making global announcements. I think you missed the point and I tried to give you an opportunity to address it.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 158	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:49:00 - [50] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: hooc order wrote: I go to the bank. [some other stuff] You're still missing the point. No U CCP said what i hope they would say to a bunch of ssholes and crooks. I am also their customer. Saying things that ssholes and crooks don't like them to say and which i do like them to say is what I want all "modern" businesses to say. Get my point?

Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 186	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:50:00 - [51] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: Why are you bringing corporations into this? You know how many times I was viewed as a AWOXer simply because I was in betamax.... More then I can count.... Most of the time it was the imperfects doing so.... Irrelevant. Also, you're trying to justify this stupid behaviour because someone else was allegedly guilty of the same stupid behaviour, while engaging in the stupid behaviour yourself. Nope i'm not trying to justify anything. I'm just saying that if your in a corp with bad rep, then that rep will reflect upon you too.
vIO8 Venilen Eugenics Agency 28	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:50:00 - [52] - Quote hooc order wrote: I go to the bank. I withdraw $50 the bank accidentally gives me $10,000. Do you really think I should spend that money? Do you really think I will not be put into prison of I hide it and refuse to give it back? Anyway this is an exaggeration. What really happens is some cashier at a 7/11 gives you a buck or two extra in change and you notice it and keep the money anyway. You are an sshole and crook if you do this....no one should feel sorry for you if that cashier talks smack about you. They should cheer it on. ... Three cheers for CCP for talking smack to ssholes and crooks. I believe following the "moral" path goes out the window where stealing from corps and throwing PC matches is encouraged by the developers of the game. Just my .02 ISK worth.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 199	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:51:00 - [53] - Quote I like that kind of talk. I'd like to think of CCP as some gigantic business in the universe when they step in. In case nobody has noticed, role playing is pretty much all we've got.
Goat of Dover IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 190	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:51:00 - [54] - Quote This is ridiculous. This company simply has stated I'm a firm manner that if you have done wrong then you will be punished. Yes CCP messed up everyone does get over it. The ones who tried to avoid it well guess what cry dumbass. Those who didn't and were wronged write an email(like OMG that's so hard). For those who say CCP is doing wrong by their attitude I can get that but, these people are not only messing with their money but also their passion. Yea their pissed at them for it and you can feel it in text(well done CCP that's hard to do). This reminds me of DCUO's money issue once. You think this is bad you should see superheroes and villians in spandex throwing giant tantrums it was hilarious. Much like the privileged criers on here just not as funny more pathetic maybe.
Ric Barlom Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 219	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:52:00 - [55] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Ric Barlom wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: Ric Barlom wrote: Alright, guys, time for some real talk Ric Barlom style. Because, guys, I don't know about you but personally I'm kind of sick and tired of this BS entitled attitude that plagues the western world these days, man! I mean my God people expect to be treated like they are kings and queens by you just because they buy a product or service from you. At the same time, man, the very same people treat you like dirt just because they buy a product or service from you. Now if everyone followed that behaviour pattern, and I know a lot of people do, then the only people who would be treated somewhat good, would be the people who provide no products or services, but instead consume stuff with welfare checks! All I can tell you about that, is that I think it's ****** up! Here's a radical idea for you guys: How about we just treat people like people. How about we treat nice people nicely and how about if we treat cunty people like, we all know how they should be treated! How should we treat people if we're addressing everyone at once, Ric? I think you missed the point, dude. You gave advice about how to address people based on the kind of people they are. The thread is about making global announcements. I think you missed the point and I tried to give you an opportunity to address it. When it comes to global announcements, man and let me tell you the thing about global announcement. See there's no such thing as global announcement, because at the end of the day, man, there's a specific audience for every message no matter if it's public. See where I'm going with this? Bottom line, the guys who you are primarily addressing should be addressed the way they deserve to be addressed.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1824	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:56:00 - [56] - Quote Ric Barlom wrote: When it comes to global announcements, man and let me tell you the thing about global announcement. See there's no such thing as global announcement, because at the end of the day, man, there's a specific audience for every message no matter if it's public. See where I'm going with this? Bottom line, the guys who you are primarily addressing should be addressed the way they deserve to be addressed. Sure, I guess you could interpret "global" literally meaning everyone in the world, but why would you when there are alternative definitions that work better?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:56:00 - [57] - Quote CCP implies everyone affected negatively is an exploiter. That is the issue. They screwed up, and are transferring blame to the player.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1824	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:57:00 - [58] - Quote Goat of Dover wrote: This is ridiculous. This company simply has stated I'm a firm manner that if you have done wrong then you will be punished.. The thread is about a long-standing situation, rather than about this particular event. I guess it was expecting too much for forum derps to think beyond the drama of the day.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 158	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:58:00 - [59] - Quote Quote: The thread is about making global announcements. I am not butt hurt...and it is because i did not try to hide away ISK in my corp. Funny how those that did try to hide it away are butt hurt. It is almost as if CCP has directed their message at only people who tried to pull a fast one and not at people who didn't. ... Weird how that works.
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 145	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:58:00 - [60] - Quote CCP made the mistake and want to punish the player base over it? I received about 200 million ISK due to their blunder. I would have given it to my corp as well but didn't have the time. If CCP had put gave me negative 200million for their idiotic incompetence I would have probably quit since I couldn't have purchased any weapons, dropsuits, or anything for who knows how long. That's ridiculous to blame the player base for their moronic foolishness.



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