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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:24:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:This thread contains what I think is a fairly good representation of one of the issues I have with CCP. CCP wrote:Players should liaise with their corporations to ensure ISK donations are returned to the original character otherwise all characters and corporations involved in ISK laundering will be subject to further ISK reversal. Users found to have abused corp donations may be subject to punitive actions against their accounts however such cases will be addressed on their own merits and handled on a case by case basis. Are you threatening us based on an issue that you created and then failed to adequately communicate about, deciding that a small portion of the playerbase being notified would do? I'm not engaging in the right and wrong of that entire debacle, but this not the right way to engage with a forum community about it. Whoever you guys have writing the script you use to interact with players needs to go back to scamming cash out of people with fraudulent takedown notices. Any claims you make to be developing a community here go out the window when you address us in this corporate tone and highlight to everyone that you're viewing us as customers who need to be strictly managed. It doesn't convince the reader that you're professionals like you may think it does. You could achieve the exact same thing while convincing these customers that you were engaging them as friends if you had any skill whatsoever in customer relations. Welcome to the future, CCP, where none of the businesses that matter have to use tools like the corporate tone to remind their customers that they're big important businesspeople, and rather give the impression that customers are valued as people and friends. I suggest giving it a shot.
I had CPM tell me explicitly that CCP HAD to PUNISH the players for EXPLOITING. CCP made all the mistakes here, but even our "appointed representation" believes the players should burden the consequences or leave. And I was also told it doesn't matter if they leave... great long term thinking there. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:42:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:The negative nancys shouldn't have been greedy fuckwits to begin with.
You drag CCP over the coals for their "greed is good" mentality though in reality the playerbase is just as greedy.
Quit crying, suck it up and get to grinding.
Either that or GTFO.
You sir, are a verified idiot. CCP took more money than they gave, and 90% of the playerbase doesn't have a clue why they were given or lost money. The issue is shoddy business practices. Not the monopoly money.
(For the record I am fine, but I have seen many players who did nothing wrong but now cannot play the game, and I feel for them). |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:11:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:The negative nancys shouldn't have been greedy fuckwits to begin with.
You drag CCP over the coals for their "greed is good" mentality though in reality the playerbase is just as greedy.
Quit crying, suck it up and get to grinding.
Either that or GTFO. You sir, are a verified idiot. CCP took more money than they gave, and 90% of the playerbase doesn't have a clue why they were given or lost money. The issue is shoddy business practices. Not the monopoly money. (For the record I am fine, but I have seen many players who did nothing wrong but now cannot play the game, and I feel for them). So they should put in petitions or forum posts in that stickied thread so CCP can go back over and fix their wallets. If someone did nothing wrong, they have no reason to fear punitive action.
If they did nothing wrong, why punish them in the first place? |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:12:00 -
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Vin Vicious wrote:You guys are morons end of story, you KNEW 100% this was gunna happen hence why you spent it, thinking surer maybe if I spend it they can't take it away. You're an idiot end of story and you should leave this game
Yeah, and 90+% of the players didn't. I speak out for them, and you don't care about this game if you just want them to leave. CCP isn't making money back off their investment so far. You think milking 10k players is going to work out for them for the 20 years to max the current skill queue, let alone pay to provide new content? |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:30:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:I had CPM tell me explicitly that CCP HAD to PUNISH the players for EXPLOITING. CCP made all the mistakes here, but even our "appointed representation" believes the players should burden the consequences or leave. And I was also told it doesn't matter if they leave... great long term thinking there. You're misinterpreting (Willingly or not) what I said, on IRC. What I said was "In any case where there's a chance of exploitation, CCP always throws in a caveat like that as a warning, otherwise people who knowingly abused something for personal gain have free reign because there was 'no warning'. I was referring to the wording of the post, which I am completely fine with. The post says that if you didn't knowingly abuse anything, you won't have anything to worry about. Some people are apparently 'missing' ISK, which is a problem. The wording of the post however, is not. EDIT: While CCP is notorious for bad communication in general, this is something we are trying to push for. We've been grilling them about moving 'news' stuff away from the launcher (Which everyone skips) and ingame 'prompts' (which everyone closes as fast as possible so they can keep shooting) and into stuff like a 'news' tab in the neocom, or even something as simple as a mass mail.
Thank you for bringing up the merc pack fiasco again. They literally held player's time invested in the game hostage to ensure they didn't have to fulfill their end of the bargin. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:38:00 -
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Ceerix MKII wrote:If people were got an extra 1-5m ISK I can see spending it and not realizing that it was a mistake on CCPs part. But that's also not game breaking for the person might be forced to run militia for a day or two but then you would be back in the black. But people that are getting 100m+ then giving it to your corp or spending it all should know better then expect to keep it. Its the same as a bank error or a mistake on your pay check where they give you extra money, the bank will come and take that money out of your account. Or if its your pay check there is a good chance they will dock pay from your next few checks to make up for the mistake. CCP also stated that if you did blow all your cash then they would they would go in a take the items away to get you where your not negative. As for not knowing about there being an issue there was a giant pop up in game telling you about it.
People who spent it who don't buy aur, can't even run militia. Have you ever run a negative isk account. There is a reason it is the punishment for botting/RMTing because it is a freaking nightmare. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:43:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Ceerix MKII wrote:If people were got an extra 1-5m ISK I can see spending it and not realizing that it was a mistake on CCPs part. But that's also not game breaking for the person might be forced to run militia for a day or two but then you would be back in the black. But people that are getting 100m+ then giving it to your corp or spending it all should know better then expect to keep it. Its the same as a bank error or a mistake on your pay check where they give you extra money, the bank will come and take that money out of your account. Or if its your pay check there is a good chance they will dock pay from your next few checks to make up for the mistake. CCP also stated that if you did blow all your cash then they would they would go in a take the items away to get you where your not negative. As for not knowing about there being an issue there was a giant pop up in game telling you about it. People who spent it who don't buy aur, can't even run militia. Have you ever run a negative isk account. There is a reason it is the punishment for botting/RMTing because it is a freaking nightmare. Um, Starter Fits?
Run 4 fits, that are bad fits, with no variation, for a week? What kind of person puts up with that when all they want to do is log in and play the game? |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:56:00 -
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CCP implies everyone affected negatively is an exploiter. That is the issue. They screwed up, and are transferring blame to the player. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:01:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:CCP made the mistake and want to punish the player base over it? I received about 200 million ISK due to their blunder. I would have given it to my corp as well but didn't have the time. If CCP had put gave me negative 200million for their idiotic incompetence I would have probably quit since I couldn't have purchased any weapons, dropsuits, or anything for who knows how long. That's ridiculous to blame the player base for their moronic foolishness.
But they did, and CPM Nova Knife thinks that is how they SHOULD act. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:23:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:I had CPM tell me explicitly that CCP HAD to PUNISH the players for EXPLOITING. CCP made all the mistakes here, but even our "appointed representation" believes the players should burden the consequences or leave. And I was also told it doesn't matter if they leave... great long term thinking there. CCP did not make "all the mistakes" Going on a spending spree with Isk they didn't earn was a mistake made by the players.
This is why the language was dangerous. A large number of players have lost money DESPITE not spending the "mistake ISK". Some so much they literally cannot play the game anymore unless they are a masochist or their corp bails them out. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:11:00 -
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Mithridates Vl wrote: Me too. I had poached eggs on toast. What did you have?
Reported for off topic. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:14:00 -
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Mithridates Vl wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Mithridates Vl wrote: Me too. I had poached eggs on toast. What did you have?
Reported for off topic. As far as I know, you can do so silently and have to actively decide to make a post announcing such. These posts aren't made automatically by the reporting function. So, reported for off topic.
Still off topic, warning you so you stop making them but you seem a bit dense and aren't taking the hint.
Reported again. |
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