There's a discussion on it here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83177&find=unread

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It seems they're main goal for the moment is to get a proper election system in place. It's amazing how late they are with setting it up too.

Please keep the players informed, in a general way, on the progress you are making in defining the role that this and future CPMs will play in bridging the gap between devs and players. We're all very interested in the process and invested in the outcome.

Will do. I've got a mega-update post I'll throw up over the weekend to catch everyone up on our progress to-date, which will become a weekly occurrence after that. I appreciate everyone's patience during our first tumultuous few weeks but we're settling into a groove, and regular updates will be part of that groove. Keep an eye on this subforum over the next few days especially.

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Regardless of what our "mandate" is, setting up an election process and an election process alone is a rather pointless exercise all things considered. That is, unless you're in a rush to have elections and select a new council that faces the same uphill battle we do right now getting a working relationship established with CCP, and that can't do much more than any other player can via the forums because they dev's don't magically open a firehose of information to them because they got a white tag overnight. Also, you'd be in a rush to have a council where I won't be involved (since this proto-council is the end of my "political" career) and I'm one of the few individuals (on either the CPM or CCP) involved right now that has extensive experience working systematically and successfully in this capacity.

There is simply no way that elections can be our primary focus, even though that process has begun, as Caz demonstrated. Others are free to disagree, of course - but that's how I see it. We're in contact with CCP of course, via Skype and our internal forums - but we still await a good amount of information from the various devs teams, their roadmap, and pending projects - that will take time to open up and to get flowing regularly. This is my personal priority as a CPM member, because frankly I could care less how the next council gets elected if it doesnt have the same level of access to the development process that the current CSM. It would merely be a democratically-selected feel-good club.

The reason it's not easy to achieve this by just opening the firehose of information is because this is a different studio than the one that makes EVE and most of these developers have never invited in outsiders to participate in their working process the way that the EVE developers have learned to over a several-year period. If we as a CPM achieve this over the next several months we'll still be making a remarkable progress in a short amount of time compared to the years it took the CSM to get there, but that short amount of time is not 4-5 weeks (our time in office so far). Your patience is both needed and appreciated.

I totally get it - in the meantime everyone's having fun going rah rah rah and stamping feet and pointing fingers and criticizing, but if you think that this was all going to magically happen overnight or that the only thing the CPM should be focusing on is how to vote for a second council who would still need to build working relationships from scratch (and without someone on board who had done this before), you were sorely mistaken.

You couldn't tell the sarcasm in my voice Hans? I'm shocked you took what a Goon said at face value and disappointed you took that with any seriousness.

It's all good.

Those that have watched me post long enough know the pattern - I often reply seriously even to those that are joking if there's a sufficient side benefit from others hearing the long response.

...And you know damn well there are enough people out there who DO feel that way, they're the type you were mocking in the first place. Besides, if I was truly upset I would have used the and not the

While our focus right now is helping to deepen the relationship between the CPM and CCP, it does not change the fact that establishing a player elected council is the main goal that the CPM was appointed for, and it is a task that I will gladly look forward to helping accomplish.

The CPM is also dedicated to doing our best to make sure that the community's voice is heard loud and clear by CCP.

Please keep the players informed, in a general way, on the progress you are making in defining the role that this and future CPMs will play in bridging the gap between devs and players. We're all very interested in the process and invested in the outcome.

You are saying that elections are delayed because you need a working legitimate relationship with ccp.

You will never have a legitimate relationship with the player base without elections.

You are wasting time. Iws and Jenza are never going to survive an election. Cut the sunk cost BS and get to work on something that might pan out

Oh, do try to relax. IWS and Jenza are working hard whether you like it or not.

Please stop whining about X member of the CPM isn't doing this that or the other.

As has been stated, its a moot point. And it all it does is demonstrate that you really have no clue what you're talking about.

I know that the one of the main reasons I signed up for the CPM was to establish a voting procedure for a player-elected CPM1.

Not really much action on that front. I know one thing is clear I think that whatever we end up with in terms of the voting procedure none of the CPM0 should be elegible to run for CPM1.

Also, i think it should be abundantly clear that the players should have full control over who is selected to run and the idea of any CCP appointed Councilors should be thrown out the window.

I know that the one of the main reasons I signed up for the CPM was to establish a voting procedure for a player-elected CPM1.

Not really much action on that front. I know one thing is clear I think that whatever we end up with in terms of the voting procedure none of the CPM0 should be elegible to run for CPM1.

Also, i think it should be abundantly clear that the players should have full control over who is selected to run and the idea of any CCP appointed Councilors should be thrown out the window.

[quote=Kain Spero]I know that the one of the main reasons I signed up for the CPM was to establish a voting procedure for a player-elected CPM1.

It *IS* important that we come up with a fair system of election. As the CPMs are in charge of making such a system, bias may be introduced as a means to secure re-election. In such a scenario the CPM0 ban makes sense as a safeguard...

Absolutely this. People don't need to establishing a voting system and then running themselves for election. Even if we somehow ened up with an appointment system (which would be awful IMO) that would be double the reason to make sure that CPM0 is not elegible for CPM1.

I'm in favor of this as a one time rule from CPM0 to CPM1, for the reasons stated above. After that, though, I think a term limit should suffice, along the lines of "Must take x years off after y terms".

What's the term limit in the CSM?

I find it interesting that the default for any term limit seems to be "two". Is this because the US Presidential term limit is currently two? I come from a country with no term limits, so it seems interesting to me.

In any case, the term limit for a position like this, in my opinion, is primarily to reduce burnout. By making people take a break, we avoid the implied obligation to run again if you are currently in a position to win again. I'm not certain that the other purpose of term limits, which is to limit corruption, applies to this situation.