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Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 142	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:34:00 - [1] - Quote As I recall, the primary mandate of this initial Pro Tem CPM is to put in place a system for fair and impartial elections for the following Councils. There was a huge amount of discussion on this topic prior to the first CPM being announced, but I have heard nothing since. Can you give us an update on your progress on this issue? Thanks in advance.
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 146	Posted - 2013.05.30 21:10:00 - [2] - Quote I certainly never thought that setting up elections would be the only thing the CPM is doing. A quick scan of the forums gives lie to that. What I was wondering was what progress had been made if any in the month or so you've been in existence. I was expecting a quick response along the lines of "We're still settling into our roles here, and the only thing we've settled on so far is that elections will be annual. We're considering hosting some town-hall meetings in PS Home over the next several months to flesh out some ideas." or somesuch. I don't want an election yet. It's only been a month! As a long-time Eve player, I'm quite aware of what player councils can and cannot do. I'm also aware that as the first CPM, you are still feeling your way into the roles and relationships involved. I'm also aware that Dust has a young (age of game, not of player) and volatile user group at the moment, with overlapping demands to buff and nerf everything from TAC assault rifles to the MQ cable package. It's got to be a rough position to be in, and I don't envy you guys (ok, small lie there). All in all, I'm extremely happy with the CPM's work to date. I'm sure there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of, defining access and roles, and so forth. If I were to have a single issue, it would be to criticize (mildly) the over-agressive tone of some of the CPM's responses, even in the face of intense and personal criticism. However, the piranha swarm that is the General Discussion forum has that covered, so no more needs to be said. Please keep the players informed, in a general way, on the progress you are making in defining the role that this and future CPMs will play in bridging the gap between devs and players. We're all very interested in the process and invested in the outcome.
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 146	Posted - 2013.05.30 22:25:00 - [3] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Klivve Cussler wrote: Please keep the players informed, in a general way, on the progress you are making in defining the role that this and future CPMs will play in bridging the gap between devs and players. We're all very interested in the process and invested in the outcome. Will do. I've got a mega-update post I'll throw up over the weekend to catch everyone up on our progress to-date, which will become a weekly occurrence after that. I appreciate everyone's patience during our first tumultuous few weeks but we're settling into a groove, and regular updates will be part of that groove. Keep an eye on this subforum over the next few days especially. o7 Sweet! Looking forward to that. Keep up the good work!
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. 163	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:02:00 - [4] - Quote Quote: Oh, do try to relax. IWS and Jenza are working hard whether you like it or not. +1 this. I think that this CPM (CPM 1? CPM 0? CPM 2013?) is going to do a lot of hard tasks and see very little recognition and probably a bit of vilification for their trouble. Part of that is confusion over the CPM's role. A lot of the comments I've read imply that you are regarded as community reps, like the newly minted (er, no. Bad bun)...that is the newly hired CCP Mintchip, rather than player reps. Personally, I've always thought of the CCP player councils as diplomats. They take the concerns of the player populations to CCP. CCP then peels back the curtain for you (having made you sign the necessary NDAs) and you go back to the player base and say either "Guys, it's cool. CCP has this covered", or "Well, I've brought your concerns to them, and they're considering them, but the solution won't be short term", followed by "No I can't tell you about it. NDA. But trust us, it's cool." And the players believe you. Because you're players, and don't have CCP in front of your name. There's no doubt that being appointed, you aren't going to have the same level of trust from the playerbase compared to an elected group. And that is unfortunate, but, I think, unavoidable. However, I'm confident that you will push through and represent us to CCP well, and put in place policies, agreements, and procedures to make the subsequent CPMs' jobs that much easier and more effective. So, keep up the hard work. If you're ever in Victoria Canada, I'll buy you a drink (any of the CPM). I'm sure as the role of the CPM becomes more apparent and transparent, things will get easier. Hopefully some of you will be on the CPM when that takes effect, because I think it's going to take a while.
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. 167	Posted - 2013.06.10 18:30:00 - [5] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: [quote=Kain Spero]I know that the one of the main reasons I signed up for the CPM was to establish a voting procedure for a player-elected CPM1. It IS important that we come up with a fair system of election. As the CPMs are in charge of making such a system, bias may be introduced as a means to secure re-election. In such a scenario the CPM0 ban makes sense as a safeguard... Absolutely this. People don't need to establishing a voting system and then running themselves for election. Even if we somehow ened up with an appointment system (which would be awful IMO) that would be double the reason to make sure that CPM0 is not elegible for CPM1. I'm in favor of this as a one time rule from CPM0 to CPM1, for the reasons stated above. After that, though, I think a term limit should suffice, along the lines of "Must take x years off after y terms".
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. 167	Posted - 2013.06.10 20:34:00 - [6] - Quote What's the term limit in the CSM? I find it interesting that the default for any term limit seems to be "two". Is this because the US Presidential term limit is currently two? I come from a country with no term limits, so it seems interesting to me. In any case, the term limit for a position like this, in my opinion, is primarily to reduce burnout. By making people take a break, we avoid the implied obligation to run again if you are currently in a position to win again. I'm not certain that the other purpose of term limits, which is to limit corruption, applies to this situation.

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