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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:27:00 -
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Regardless of what our "mandate" is, setting up an election process and an election process alone is a rather pointless exercise all things considered. That is, unless you're in a rush to have elections and select a new council that faces the same uphill battle we do right now getting a working relationship established with CCP, and that can't do much more than any other player can via the forums because they dev's don't magically open a firehose of information to them because they got a white tag overnight.  Also, you'd be in a rush to have a council where I won't be involved (since this proto-council is the end of my "political" career) and I'm one of the few individuals (on either the CPM or CCP) involved right now that has extensive experience working systematically and successfully in this capacity.
There is simply no way that they can be our primary focus, even though that process has begun, as Caz demonstrated. Others are free to disagree, of course - but that's how I see it. We're in contact with CCP of course, via Skype and our internal forums - but we still await a good amount of information from the various devs teams, their roadmap, and pending projects - that will take time to open up and to get flowing regularly. This is my personal priority as a CPM member, because frankly I could care less how the next council gets elected if it doesnt have the same level of access to the development process that the current CSM.
The reason it's not as easy as just opening the firehose, like I said, is because this is a different studio than the one that makes EVE and most of these developers have never invited in outsiders to participate in their working process the way that the EVE developers have learned to over a several-year period. If we as a CPM achieve this over the next several months we'll still be making a remarkable progress in a short amount of time compared to the years it took the CSM to get there, but that short amount of time is not 4-5 weeks (our time in office so far). Your patience is both needed and appreciated.
I totally get it - its its fun to go rah rah rah and stamp feet and point fingers and criticize, but if you think that this was all going to magically happen overnight or that the only thing the CPM should be focusing on is how to vote for a second council who would still need to build working relationships from scratch (and without someone on board who had done this before), you were sorely mistaken.  |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
344
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:52:00 -
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Klivve Cussler wrote:Please keep the players informed, in a general way, on the progress you are making in defining the role that this and future CPMs will play in bridging the gap between devs and players. We're all very interested in the process and invested in the outcome.
Will do. I've got a mega-update post I'll throw up over the weekend to catch everyone up on our progress to-date, which will become a weekly occurrence after that. I appreciate everyone's patience during our first tumultuous few weeks but we're settling into a groove, and regular updates will be part of that groove. Keep an eye on this subforum over the next few days especially.
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
345
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Posted - 2013.05.31 08:08:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:You couldn't tell the sarcasm in my voice Hans? I'm shocked you took what a Goon said at face value and disappointed you took that with any seriousness.
It's all good.
Those that have watched me post long enough know the pattern - I often reply seriously even to those that are joking if there's a sufficient side benefit from others hearing the long response.
...And you know damn well there are enough people out there who DO feel that way, they're the type you were mocking in the first place. Besides, if I was truly upset I would have used the  and not the |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:24:00 -
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Klivve Cussler wrote: Please keep the players informed, in a general way, on the progress you are making in defining the role that this and future CPMs will play in bridging the gap between devs and players. We're all very interested in the process and invested in the outcome.
As requested and promised. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
368
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:37:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote: You are saying that elections are delayed because you need a working legitimate relationship with ccp.
Wrong. CCP is the one to decide when we have elections, and they have revealed no such timetable. In the meantime we can continue to discuss the best way to conduct an election but ultimately this process is driven by CCP, who needs to secure any contractual agreements that might be necessary, create necessary code, and run the election. I assure you the CPM is not a bottleneck here, and is still ultimately only able to advise CCP in the end just as we do for any other topic.
Fiddlestaxp wrote:
You will never have a legitimate relationship with the player base without elections.
There are many players that don't like us and don't think we have authority because they didn't elect us. Quite frankly, their opinion is moot - we continue to function and perform our responsibility regardless. Many, many players have reached out and engaged us and are part of the feedback process, with or without an election.
Fiddlestaxp wrote: You are wasting time. Iws and Jenza are never going to survive an election. Cut the sunk cost BS and get to work on something that might pan out
Oh, do try to relax. IWS and Jenza are working hard whether you like it or not.
And besides - pretty much the most morally egregious waste of our time would be to sit around worrying about our re-election chances. This is not about mimicking the worst traits of real-life politics, this is about helping you guys help CCP fix the game. Several of us have no intentions of running once elections are set up, and if we keep up our current pace of progress, any of the six of us would make an outstanding candidate anyways because they'd be one of very few that could actually point to a track record of success.
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