DUST Search - Update on CPM Election system?

Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:

Regardless of what our "mandate" is, setting up an election process and an election process alone is a rather pointless exercise all things considered. That is, unless you're in a rush to have elections and select a new council that faces the same uphill battle we do right now getting a working relationship established with CCP, and that can't do much more than any other player can via the forums because they dev's don't magically open a firehose of information to them because they got a white tag overnight. Cool

Also, you'd be in a rush to have a council where I won't be involved (since this proto-council is the end of my "political" career) and I'm one of the few individuals (on either the CPM or CCP) involved right now that has extensive experience working systematically and successfully in this capacity.

There is simply no way that elections can be our primary focus, even though that process has begun, as Caz demonstrated. Others are free to disagree, of course - but that's how I see it. We're in contact with CCP of course, via Skype and our internal forums - but we still await a good amount of information from the various devs teams, their roadmap, and pending projects - that will take time to open up and to get flowing regularly. This is my personal priority as a CPM member, because frankly I could care less how the next council gets elected if it doesnt have the same level of access to the development process that the current CSM. It would merely be a democratically-selected feel-good club.

The reason it's not easy to achieve this by just opening the firehose of information is because this is a different studio than the one that makes EVE and most of these developers have never invited in outsiders to participate in their working process the way that the EVE developers have learned to over a several-year period. If we as a CPM achieve this over the next several months we'll still be making a remarkable progress in a short amount of time compared to the years it took the CSM to get there, but that short amount of time is not 4-5 weeks (our time in office so far). Your patience is both needed and appreciated.

I totally get it - in the meantime everyone's having fun going rah rah rah and stamping feet and pointing fingers and criticizing, but if you think that this was all going to magically happen overnight or that the only thing the CPM should be focusing on is how to vote for a second council who would still need to build working relationships from scratch (and without someone on board who had done this before), you were sorely mistaken. Twisted


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Abu Stij Goonfeet 132	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:11:00 - [1] - Quote There's a discussion on it here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83177&find=unread Edit It seems they're main goal for the moment is to get a proper election system in place. It's amazing how late they are with setting it up too.
Abu Stij Goonfeet 132	Posted - 2013.05.31 00:05:00 - [2] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Regardless of what our "mandate" is, setting up an election process and an election process alone is a rather pointless exercise all things considered. That is, unless you're in a rush to have elections and select a new council that faces the same uphill battle we do right now getting a working relationship established with CCP, and that can't do much more than any other player can via the forums because they dev's don't magically open a firehose of information to them because they got a white tag overnight. Also, you'd be in a rush to have a council where I won't be involved (since this proto-council is the end of my "political" career) and I'm one of the few individuals (on either the CPM or CCP) involved right now that has extensive experience working systematically and successfully in this capacity. There is simply no way that elections can be our primary focus, even though that process has begun, as Caz demonstrated. Others are free to disagree, of course - but that's how I see it. We're in contact with CCP of course, via Skype and our internal forums - but we still await a good amount of information from the various devs teams, their roadmap, and pending projects - that will take time to open up and to get flowing regularly. This is my personal priority as a CPM member, because frankly I could care less how the next council gets elected if it doesnt have the same level of access to the development process that the current CSM. It would merely be a democratically-selected feel-good club. The reason it's not easy to achieve this by just opening the firehose of information is because this is a different studio than the one that makes EVE and most of these developers have never invited in outsiders to participate in their working process the way that the EVE developers have learned to over a several-year period. If we as a CPM achieve this over the next several months we'll still be making a remarkable progress in a short amount of time compared to the years it took the CSM to get there, but that short amount of time is not 4-5 weeks (our time in office so far). Your patience is both needed and appreciated. I totally get it - in the meantime everyone's having fun going rah rah rah and stamping feet and pointing fingers and criticizing, but if you think that this was all going to magically happen overnight or that the only thing the CPM should be focusing on is how to vote for a second council who would still need to build working relationships from scratch (and without someone on board who had done this before), you were sorely mistaken. You couldn't tell the sarcasm in my voice Hans? I'm shocked you took what a Goon said at face value and disappointed you took that with any seriousness. As for the elections, yes they're semi-secondary but they're also a key component as to why you, and the rest of CPM0, were put together. I never said it was easy either, just that this seems to have been thought out before CPM0 was arranged, and since then its been fairly silent on that front other than "we're sort of working on it, but there's other stuff going on."
Abu Stij Goonfeet 133	Posted - 2013.06.01 13:39:00 - [3] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: It's all good. Those that have watched me post long enough know the pattern - I often reply seriously even to those that are joking if there's a sufficient side benefit from others hearing the long response. ...And you know damn well there are enough people out there who DO feel that way, they're the type you were mocking in the first place. Besides, if I was truly upset I would have used the and not the True, I honestly think you are one of the more useful guys on the CPM given your background with the CSM. I do suggest you read the linked thread above as there are some very valid and very well argued points to why certain systems for the election are not helpful and more of a hinderance to players and some good ideas as to what system should be best.
Abu Stij Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 180	Posted - 2013.06.10 14:45:00 - [4] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Please stop whining about X member of the CPM isn't doing this that or the other. As has been stated, its a moot point. And it all it does is demonstrate that you really have no clue what you're talking about. A lot of the users here don't have a clue what they're talking about.