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Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
36
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:03:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Don't you have enough people fed up with this game already? You do realize, that 95% of the people you sent into ISK debt, will NEVER play this game again. I didn't go negative, but I am among the minority of the players you have. I come here on the forums daily, to find out what's going on. Most players don't. Most players just want to turn on their PS3 and play. They saw the extra ISK and thought it was part of the respec like before. As a matter of fact for the first week or more in your response letters to submitting a Respec Ticket you said you were going to refund ISK I'll quote my response from you:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
So I get taking back the extra ISK, even sending people to 0 ISK, but negative? No one is going to use free suits to dig their way out of millions to 10's of millions of ISK debt, they are just going to move on to a new game.
Your meager offer to have someone submit a ticket and have some of thier inventory turned back into ISK, is a tedious process, that won't help most people because they spent that ISK on everything from Protosuits, to Tanks. Then had those items destroyed by people like me. Some people donated alot to their corp who spent that ISK on PC. So, most of that ISK is gone, and can't be refunded. For a company who's general motto is if you can do it in the game then it's allowed, you are going against everything you believe in, by doing what you did.
People went on a spending spree, but it was your fault.
Take the extra ISK but anyone you sent into DEBT, needs to be set to ZERO ISK not NEGATIVE. If you don't I am pretty sure outer space wont be the only place in a vacuum. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1679
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:04:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Dear CCP,
Don't you have enough people fed up with this game already? You do realize, that 95% of the people you sent into ISK debt, will NEVER play this game again. I didn't go negative, but I am among the minority of the players you have. I come here on the forums daily, to find out what's going on. Most players don't. Most players just want to turn on their PS3 and play. They saw the extra ISK and thought it was part of the respec like before. As a matter of fact for the first week or more in your response letters to submitting a Respec Ticket you said you were going to refund ISK I'll quote my response from you:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
So I get taking back the extra ISK, even sending people to 0 ISK, but negative? No one is going to use free suits to dig their way out of millions to 10's of millions of ISK debt, they are just going to move on to a new game.
Your meager offer to have someone submit a ticket and have some of thier inventory turned back into ISK, is a tedious process, that won't help most people because they spent that ISK on everything from Protosuits, to Tanks. Then had those items destroyed by people like me. Some people donated alot to their corp who spent that ISK on PC. So, most of that ISK is gone, and can't be refunded. For a company who's general motto is if you can do it in the game then it's allowed, you are going against everything you believe in, by doing what you did.
People went on a spending spree, but it was your fault.
Take the extra ISK but anyone you sent into DEBT, needs to be set to ZERO ISK not NEGATIVE. If you don't I am pretty sure outer space wont be the only place in a vacuum. ONLY if assets are removed to return them to that level.
You want them to keep all their stuff and not be in the hole? **** that. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:05:00 -
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And I love how people like Dust Fiend are pretending that they are happy about this... When there are clearly people crying about it. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
77
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:06:00 -
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As an adult, I understand that spending money that isn't mine, can only create debt.
Welcome to life folks...!!!! 10/10 for your attempts to hide from it. |
stormyuk
DUST University Ivy League
36
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:08:00 -
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Agree with Mobius, no one should be ahead because they made a mistake. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
333
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:08:00 -
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95% of players put i debt ... that is about... 2% of the total player base... I think CCP will survive. |
MinivanSurvivor
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
16
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:09:00 -
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If you are in the negative it's YOUR fault! Not CCP's. It was obviously a mistake and anyone within their right minds would assume that they would fix the issue at some point in the near future. They made an announcement about it pretty quickly and if you didn't heed that warning it's nobodys fault but your own. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:09:00 -
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Be glad CCP even offers to refund what you spent, the people that tried to quickly spend all that extra money deserved it. |
Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
260
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:10:00 -
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if they managed to spend millions of ISK on protobear suits... they should have hundreds of protobear suits! And, following that logic, those suits should work with their brand new skill specs.
Nobody said they need to use Militia fits. Let them dig their own way out of their own hole, using the expensive equipment they actually bought. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
172
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:10:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:95% of players put in debt ... that is about... 2% of the total player base... I think CCP will survive.
"60% of the time, it works every time"
where do you guys get your numbers? |
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Phantomnom
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
540
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:10:00 -
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People had the money, what, two days? And they binged it to the extent in that time they are now so in debt it's not worth playing?
What the **** did you spend that much money on if you can't survive on it now? Did you all go cokebinge and dropships? |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
523
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:11:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote: ONLY if assets are removed to return them to that level.
You want them to keep all their stuff and not be in the hole? **** that.
This |
Leeroy SnakeBite
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:11:00 -
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They choose to spend hundreds of millions in record time , ccp did post on the forums and word was spreading round the game within hours not to spend the extra isk those in debt deserve it and will not have to run militia gear if they spent wisely they can use there gear which they purchased . Those who donated to a corp simply get a refund from a CEO. Just means less dtacs running round in pub games I happy with that , we were always told that running proto gear was not going to be affordable for the majority and now the reaper has come to collect his debts those who were greedy need to pay their dues in |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
37
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:12:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:
ONLY if assets are removed to return them to that level.
You want them to keep all their stuff and not be in the hole? **** that.
The forums were glitching I meant to say Take their ISK and stuff, but if it doesn't bring them back to Zero, set them to Zero.
I fixed the OP. |
Summer-Wolf
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
49
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:13:00 -
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Im against that idea.
Why would it be fair to let the negative people get to zero (which means pocketing a **** ton of isk) while the people that decided to wait and see the outcome get nothing?
If anything, just give back all that extra isk to everyone.
There is a definite chance there will be a lost of players because of all this. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
333
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:16:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:95% of players put in debt ... that is about... 2% of the total player base... I think CCP will survive. "60% of the time, it works every time" where do you guys get your numbers?
Well.. I assuming that only about 2.5% of players where stupid enough, to spend all the cash without asking question 1st...
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
38
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:19:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:People had the money, what, two days? And they binged it to the extent in that time they are now so in debt it's not worth playing?
What the **** did you spend that much money on if you can't survive on it now? Did you all go cokebinge and dropships?
Have you been playing the last 2 days? People were calling in Dropships/Tanks only to have them blown up then they called in more. In one game I played over 20 tanks were killed. It was fun and we benefited from blowing them up.
Try this give a kid a bag of candy and tell them not to eat it for 2 days. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
527
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:26:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote: Have you been playing the last 2 days? People were calling in Dropships/Tanks only to have them blown up then they called in more. In one game I played over 20 tanks were killed. It was fun and we benefited from blowing them up.
Try this give a kid a bag of candy and tell them not to eat it for 2 days.
Yea this is about right, its been Protobear central in pubs. I was in a match with like 6 tanks in it. I cowered in fear and then remembered I didn't care because most of the points on the map can't be hit by tanks. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
177
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:26:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Phantomnom wrote:People had the money, what, two days? And they binged it to the extent in that time they are now so in debt it's not worth playing?
What the **** did you spend that much money on if you can't survive on it now? Did you all go cokebinge and dropships? Have you been playing the last 2 days? People were calling in Dropships/Tanks only to have them blown up then they called in more. In one game I played over 20 tanks were killed. It was fun and we benefited from blowing them up. Try this give a kid a bag of candy and tell them not to eat it for 2 days. Except this game is not for kids and beeing responsible for your financials is part of the game.
Nullified ISK only with assets reset. Actually, people probably got some extra SP from all the proto stomping so they still get rewarded for abusing an obvious bug. |
Leeroy SnakeBite
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:33:00 -
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Part of this game is managing your isk so when the big matches come you are able to run proto gear , they choose to blow there isk in pub games now wipe away those tears and learn from your greed. |
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pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
19
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:37:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:As an adult, I understand that spending money that isn't mine, can only create debt.
Welcome to life folks...!!!! 10/10 for your attempts to hide from it. +1 for accountability, although those who spent their isk in ignorance, dont lurk the forums, and legitimately quit when they see their wallet displayed in red will be missed. Lets not forget that our long-term goal is to make the battle-grisled, forum-dwelling vets a minority through new player influx, after all.
...and without a CCP psa displayed during boot sequence, expect local/corp channels to strobe more than usual this week. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
333
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:39:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:95% of players put in debt ... that is about... 2% of the total player base... I think CCP will survive. "60% of the time, it works every time" where do you guys get your numbers? Well.. I assuming that only about 2.5% of players where stupid enough, to spend all the cash without asking question 1st...
Or maybe is the other way around ..?... I'm confuse now.. the QQing have escalate it very quickly .. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
469
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:41:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Phantomnom wrote:People had the money, what, two days? And they binged it to the extent in that time they are now so in debt it's not worth playing?
What the **** did you spend that much money on if you can't survive on it now? Did you all go cokebinge and dropships? Have you been playing the last 2 days? People were calling in Dropships/Tanks only to have them blown up then they called in more. In one game I played over 20 tanks were killed. It was fun and we benefited from blowing them up. Try this give a kid a bag of candy and tell them not to eat it for 2 days.
If we're assuming the player base is made up of petulant children with no self-control, I'm definitely against giving them ISK back. I'd consider this an object lesson in consequence for wee tykes. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
29
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:47:00 -
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when all is said and done the fact remains that players with negative balances will turn away from this game
preach financial advice all day till your blue in the face this isnt real life its supposed to be a casual shooter
CCP set all negative balances to ZERO learn your lesson for the future and move on. |
sgtBelson
S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement
24
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:49:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Dear CCP,
Don't you have enough people fed up with this game already? You do realize, that 95% of the people you sent into ISK debt, will NEVER play this game again. I didn't go negative, but I am among the minority of the players you have. I come here on the forums daily, to find out what's going on. Most players don't. Most players just want to turn on their PS3 and play. They saw the extra ISK and thought it was part of the respec like before. As a matter of fact for the first week or more in your response letters to submitting a Respec Ticket you said you were going to refund ISK I'll quote my response from you:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
*snip*
This is a great example of 'selective reading'. Taking the 3 bolded words on their own would imply that all ISK spent to date would be refunded. However, in the context of the Skill Tree changes that were forthcoming at the time, one should have inferred that it was to be only ISK spent on skillbooks coming back to you.
Alas, inference is a talent that is obviously beyond some players.
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
39
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:51:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:As an adult, I understand that spending money that isn't mine, can only create debt.
Welcome to life folks...!!!! 10/10 for your attempts to hide from it. +1 for accountability, although those who spent their isk in ignorance, dont lurk the forums, and legitimately quit when they see their wallet displayed in red will be missed. Lets not forget that our long-term goal is to make the battle-grisled, forum-dwelling vets a minority through new player influx, after all. ...and without a CCP psa displayed during boot sequence, expect local/corp channels to strobe more than usual this week.
New Player influx, now that's funny! Very few new players are going to join the game. One a few are willing to get raped for a month (or more) while they work their way past the starting 500k sp. Battle Academy Only shields them for their first 10,000 WP. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
333
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:52:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:95% of players put in debt ... that is about... 2% of the total player base... I think CCP will survive. "60% of the time, it works every time" where do you guys get your numbers? Well.. I assuming that only about 2.5% of players where stupid enough, to spend all the cash without asking questions 1st... Or maybe is the other way around ..?... I'm confuse now.. the QQing have escalate it very quickly ..
Yeah.. definitely the other way around... |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
49
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:52:00 -
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I'd say that the kind of people who would exploit an obvious error so quickly and casually might not exactly be the kind of people who you want to be playing with anyway.
Personally, I'd be tempted to quit if these players were allowed to keep even a portion of their ill-gotten gains (or if they've gained any kind of advantage whatsoever from it).
Pick your poison CPP:
Do you risk losing a bunch of players who willfully and knowingly exploited your mistake, or do you risk losing honest, legitimate players who are put at a disadvantage by these same exploiters?
How CPP deals with this situation will send a loud message to the entire player base that either
a) cheating/glitching/exploiting will NOT be tolerated, or
b) that scamming the system out of millions of ISK (that is supposed to take months, if not YEARS to earn legitimately) is "fair game" and, at worst, will result in a minor slap on the wrist. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
587
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:53:00 -
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I really don't feel bad for the tards who spent their ISK but I would hate to see this game lose players. It pisses me off that CCP is going to have devote resources to fix this when they could be doing far more useful things.
CCP needs to;
1. liquidate all assets of mercs with negative balances. 2. remove donated ISK from corp wallets that contributed to the negative balance
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Illuminaughty-696
Galere Omega Battle Services
273
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:54:00 -
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Nope. They shouldn't have spent it. This is the precedent CCP has set after the gamestop merc pack fiasco. Everyone QQ'ed about how unfair it would be if people who read the fine print and bought the merc packs because they said they would be refunded on commercial release. Now it's our turn. Consider this the appropriate amount of QQ. Play starter fits until you are back in the black, quit, or get your corp/corp mates to help you out. |
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
39
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:57:00 -
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sgtBelson wrote:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
*snip*
This is a great example of 'selective reading'. Taking the 3 bolded words on their own would imply that all ISK spent to date would be refunded. However, in the context of the Skill Tree changes that were forthcoming at the time, one should have inferred that it was to be only ISK spent on skillbooks coming back to you.
Alas, inference is a talent that is obviously beyond some players. [/quote]
There is no way anyone would read this and "infer" that you were just getting your Skillbook ISK back. Everyone that read this thought that they would lose all their stuff and get the ISK value for it, like they did a week or two ago. CCP was planning on doing a full SP/ISK refund, until they thought about it and changed their mind, and made post a week later saying it would be only skillbook ISK that would be refunded. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
564
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:59:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Dear CCP,
Don't you have enough people fed up with this game already? You do realize, that 95% of the people you sent into ISK debt, will NEVER play this game again. I didn't go negative, but I am among the minority of the players you have. I come here on the forums daily, to find out what's going on. Most players don't. Most players just want to turn on their PS3 and play. They saw the extra ISK and thought it was part of the respec like before. As a matter of fact for the first week or more in your response letters to submitting a Respec Ticket you said you were going to refund ISK I'll quote my response from you:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
So I get taking back the extra ISK, even sending people to 0 ISK, but negative? No one is going to use free suits to dig their way out of millions to 10's of millions of ISK debt, they are just going to move on to a new game.
Your meager offer to have someone submit a ticket and have some of thier inventory turned back into ISK, is a tedious process, that won't help most people because they spent that ISK on everything from Protosuits, to Tanks. Then had those items destroyed by people like me. Some people donated alot to their corp who spent that ISK on PC. So, most of that ISK is gone, and can't be refunded. For a company who's general motto is if you can do it in the game then it's allowed, you are going against everything you believe in, by doing what you did.
People went on a spending spree, but it was your fault.
If you aren't going to just give the ISK back, then take the extra ISK, and inventory but if they are still negative, just set them to ZERO ISK not NEGATIVE. If you don't I am pretty sure outer space wont be the only place in a vacuum.
This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished. NO.
In every game I've played, console or otherwise, exploiters are punished, sometimes banned.
This is the case here. I'm sure those players were laughing their asses off as they spent tons of ISK they didn't have. Well, good luck.
I don't give a crap if they stay or go personally. |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
39
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:03:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote: This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished.
That is EXACTLY what CCP's policy is on glitching. Unless they are hacking the game, anything you can do in game is legal. You ever heard of someone being kicked for Head Glitching, or sitting in the MCC? NO!
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sgtBelson
S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement
24
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:14:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:sgtBelson wrote:
This is a great example of 'selective reading'. Taking the 3 bolded words on their own would imply that all ISK spent to date would be refunded. However, in the context of the Skill Tree changes that were forthcoming at the time, one should have inferred that it was to be only ISK spent on skillbooks coming back to you.
Alas, inference is a talent that is obviously beyond some players.
There is no way anyone would read this and "infer" that you were just getting your Skillbook ISK back. Everyone that read this thought that they would lose all their stuff and get the ISK value for it, like they did a week or two ago. CCP was planning on doing a full SP/ISK refund, until they thought about it and changed their mind, and made post a week later saying it would be only skillbook ISK that would be refunded.
So, then you DID know it was only the skillbook ISK that was to be refunded? I see...
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
39
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:27:00 -
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sgtBelson wrote:
So, then you DID know it was only the skillbook ISK that was to be refunded? I see...
I never said I was confused, I am not negitive. I read the forums I know whats going on. I was giving an example of how people could be confused, because most players DON'T READ THE FORUMS. |
sgtBelson
S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement
26
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:35:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:sgtBelson wrote:
So, then you DID know it was only the skillbook ISK that was to be refunded? I see...
I never said I was confused, I am not negitive. I read the forums I know whats going on. I was giving an example of how people could be confused, because most players DON'T READ THE FORUMS.
Ah, gotcha. Well, please continue in your current role as defender of the ignorant; it will surely keep you plenty busy.
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:36:00 -
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been playing since codex..buy a merc pack a month for booster ..i am done |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
566
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:37:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Buster Friently wrote: This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished.
That is EXACTLY what CCP's policy is on glitching. Unless they are hacking the game, anything you can do in game is legal. You ever heard of someone being kicked for Head Glitching, or sitting in the MCC? NO!
LOL. Let me know when you find a glitch and exploit it. You seem to not have looked very far for CCP's stance on things. Do a lookup on Bot mining.
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:39:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:I really don't feel bad for the tards who spent their ISK but I would hate to see this game lose players. It pisses me off that CCP is going to have devote resources to fix this when they could be doing far more useful things.
CCP needs to;
1. liquidate all assets of mercs with negative balances. 2. remove donated ISK from corp wallets that contributed to the negative balance
Edit: For clarity, anyone dreaming of having their ISK balance simply reset to zero without losing assets or corp donations needs to quit playing forever right now. CCP will not reward you for foolishness. in some cases they took more than they gave also..on top of that we have players that spent nothing ..had they're already fluffy bank accounts get fluffier ...and are now neg |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
43
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:46:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Buster Friently wrote: This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished.
That is EXACTLY what CCP's policy is on glitching. Unless they are hacking the game, anything you can do in game is legal. You ever heard of someone being kicked for Head Glitching, or sitting in the MCC? NO! LOL. Let me know when you find a glitch and exploit it. You seem to not have looked very far for CCP's stance on things. Do a lookup on Bot mining as just one example.
I don't play EVE. In dust no one has been banned for exploiting glitches. How many people used the broken Damage mods glitch, Head glitches, people don't get banned for sitting in the MCC all day and not play. they don't even get a slap on the wrist. |
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Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:04:00 -
[41] - Quote
Sgt Buttscratch wrote:As an adult, I understand that spending money that isn't mine, can only create debt.
Welcome to life folks...!!!! 10/10 for your attempts to hide from it.
QFT welcome to the real world kiddies, spend more than you make and you are in debt. If only we had a player market right now, those adults amongst us who didn't go spending this extra ISK like morons, could be picking up weapons and equipment like it was a forclosure sale. |
UK-Shots
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
118
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:05:00 -
[42] - Quote
LOL IM STILL THINKING ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE I SAW YESTERDAY SAYING HOW THEY GAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF ISK TO THERE CORP |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:06:00 -
[43] - Quote
PonyClause Rex wrote:when all is said and done the fact remains that players with negative balances will turn away from this game
preach financial advice all day till your blue in the face this isnt real life its supposed to be a casual shooter
CCP set all negative balances to ZERO learn your lesson for the future and move on.
Actually this is NOT supposed to be a casual shooter. This is a grown up game |
ShakeMS
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:07:00 -
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For the people that have attempted to cheat. They should return to 0 ISK and lose all inventory. OR find out the items they bought with the extra money and delete those items and all ISK. Allow them to keep the stuff they bought with the actual ISK they had. Meaning go back and look at inventories of the ones who were "wronged" see what they had before they got extra money allow them to keep that and clean out the rest of the inventory officer weapons and all + Isk and give them punishment for attempting to cheat.
CCP has logs they can see what was spent where the ISK went if the customer was TRULY wronged. They can tell. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
570
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:09:00 -
[45] - Quote
ShakeMS wrote:For the people that have attempted to cheat. They should return to 0 ISK and lose all inventory. OR find out the items they bought with the extra money and delete those items and all ISK. Allow them to keep the stuff they bought with the actual ISK they had. Meaning go back and look at inventories of the ones who were "wronged" see what they had before they got extra money allow them to keep that and clean out the rest of the inventory officer weapons and all + Isk and give them punishment for attempting to cheat.
CCP has logs they can see what was spent where the ISK went if the customer was TRULY wronged. They can tell.
This is exactly what will happen if the affected players petition CCP. Thus no problem anyway. Now of course, if they bought a bunch of LAVs or Proto gear or something and lost them in battle, then they'll be negative in suits, so... |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
209
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:41:00 -
[46] - Quote
I am pretty sure someone musta already said this in this thread, but here:
Welcome to New Eden, mgwahahaha! |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
92
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:44:00 -
[47] - Quote
Darken-Sol wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:95% of players put in debt ... that is about... 2% of the total player base... I think CCP will survive. "60% of the time, it works every time" where do you guys get your numbers?
it's based on the fact that 98% of statistics are wrong. or is that 88%? |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
387
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:46:00 -
[48] - Quote
Let them petition to return their stuff to the DUST Market for a refund. But only for 30 days after purchase, and only if it is undamaged and in the original packaging. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
572
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:47:00 -
[49] - Quote
Zeylon Rho wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Phantomnom wrote:People had the money, what, two days? And they binged it to the extent in that time they are now so in debt it's not worth playing?
What the **** did you spend that much money on if you can't survive on it now? Did you all go cokebinge and dropships? Have you been playing the last 2 days? People were calling in Dropships/Tanks only to have them blown up then they called in more. In one game I played over 20 tanks were killed. It was fun and we benefited from blowing them up. Try this give a kid a bag of candy and tell them not to eat it for 2 days. If we're assuming the player base is made up of petulant children with no self-control, I'm definitely against giving them ISK back. I'd consider this an object lesson in consequence for wee tykes.
They have proven themselves to be so (for the most part). |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
572
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:49:00 -
[50] - Quote
Hawkin P wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Buster Friently wrote: This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished.
That is EXACTLY what CCP's policy is on glitching. Unless they are hacking the game, anything you can do in game is legal. You ever heard of someone being kicked for Head Glitching, or sitting in the MCC? NO! LOL. Let me know when you find a glitch and exploit it. You seem to not have looked very far for CCP's stance on things. Do a lookup on Bot mining as just one example. I don't play EVE. In dust no one has been banned for exploiting glitches. How many people used the broken Damage mods glitch, Head glitches, people don't get banned for sitting in the MCC all day and not play. they don't even get a slap on the wrist.
Damage mods were never broken, just a display error. AFK farming is on their list to fix. I can't call that a glitch though. As far as the head glitch, this is pretty iffy because it was very easy to exploit without knowing it.
In this case where a ton of ISK just magically appears, then these people go on a spending spree. Pretty obvious. |
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Superluminal Replicant
Planetary Response Organization
72
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:51:00 -
[51] - Quote
Hawkin P wrote:Dear CCP,
Don't you have enough people fed up with this game already? You do realize, that 95% of the people you sent into ISK debt, will NEVER play this game again. I didn't go negative, but I am among the minority of the players you have. I come here on the forums daily, to find out what's going on. Most players don't. Most players just want to turn on their PS3 and play. They saw the extra ISK and thought it was part of the respec like before. As a matter of fact for the first week or more in your response letters to submitting a Respec Ticket you said you were going to refund ISK I'll quote my response from you:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
So I get taking back the extra ISK, even sending people to 0 ISK, but negative? No one is going to use free suits to dig their way out of millions to 10's of millions of ISK debt, they are just going to move on to a new game.
Your meager offer to have someone submit a ticket and have some of thier inventory turned back into ISK, is a tedious process, that won't help most people because they spent that ISK on everything from Protosuits, to Tanks. Then had those items destroyed by people like me. Some people donated alot to their corp who spent that ISK on PC. So, most of that ISK is gone, and can't be refunded. For a company who's general motto is if you can do it in the game then it's allowed, you are going against everything you believe in, by doing what you did.
People went on a spending spree, but it was your fault.
If you aren't going to just give the ISK back, then take the extra ISK, and inventory but if they are still negative, just set them to ZERO ISK not NEGATIVE. If you don't I am pretty sure outer space wont be the only place in a vacuum.
They have the right to send in a ticket to support and ask for assets they bought to be liquidated back into isk. so stfu. |
ShakeMS
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:55:00 -
[52] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:Let them petition to return their stuff to the DUST Market for a refund. But only for 30 days after purchase, and only if it is undamaged and in the original packaging.
No letting them off clean should not happen. People don't learn lessons this way. Cheaters should be punished. |
Xender17
Murderz for hire
126
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:00:00 -
[53] - Quote
I spent 20mil of it... before the optional respec I had 60mil. |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
46
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:25:00 -
[54] - Quote
ShakeMS wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Let them petition to return their stuff to the DUST Market for a refund. But only for 30 days after purchase, and only if it is undamaged and in the original packaging. No letting them off clean should not happen. People don't learn lessons this way. Cheaters should be punished.
Cheaters? Who cheated? People that spent money that was in their own wallet? What is the lesson to be learned that you can't trust CCP to do anything right?
It was CCP's mistake, no one cheated, glitched, or exploited a glitch. All they did was spent money in their wallet. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
592
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:28:00 -
[55] - Quote
Hawkin P wrote:ShakeMS wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Let them petition to return their stuff to the DUST Market for a refund. But only for 30 days after purchase, and only if it is undamaged and in the original packaging. No letting them off clean should not happen. People don't learn lessons this way. Cheaters should be punished. Cheaters? Who cheated? People that spent money that was in their own wallet? What is the lesson to be learned that you can't trust CCP to do anything right?It was CCP's mistake, no one cheated, glitched, or exploited a glitch. All they did was spent money in their wallet. What they did was attempt to exploit an obvious error by spending isk that they didn't earn. They got burned. Rightly so. |
Dexter Peabody
Goonfeet
57
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:38:00 -
[56] - Quote
i love it when people make up statistics |
DarkMaximos
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:13:00 -
[57] - Quote
I had no dept probably because I use my isks wisely lol. |
DarkMaximos
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:14:00 -
[58] - Quote
You guys with depts just witnessed an eve online moment. Welcome to Eve universe. |
HIERARKIK
ILL OM3NS
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:27:00 -
[59] - Quote
okay so some of you are saying that these people that are indebt should be punished because they are exploiting the system .another one of you said that in other games people get punished for exploiting glitches that fact is that's incredibly wrong I have also played a lot of games. including tribes, APB , COD, black light retribution, combat arms and more. and in all of those games if a glitch is a result of the game designers error you cannot punish them for it.
even more ,let me just give you an example. so you're walking out of a store and you see a 10 , 20 , maybe even a 100 dollar bill on the floor and you don't see who dropped it. you guys are telling me that you aren't gonna pick the money up and spend it.you are telling me you are just gonna leave perfectly good money on the floor. no probably 9 out 0f 10 people you will ever meet are gonna pick the money up.
so CCP let me just tell you that you cannot punish people for a mistake you made and just stand there hoping nobody is gonna get pissed many of my friends are majorly pissed and planning on never playing the game again. and one thing for the guys saying that they were smarter and didn't spend it stop lying you either weren't playing during the time or didn't need to use it, because I got some money but I already had enough in stock before the money that I didn't need to use so please stop being fake and get off the forums |
TcuBe3
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
10
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:43:00 -
[60] - Quote
Lets be honest here, no one is leaving dust. Besides isk is immaginary money anyways... |
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
186
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:11:00 -
[61] - Quote
Hawkin P wrote:sgtBelson wrote:
So, then you DID know it was only the skillbook ISK that was to be refunded? I see...
I never said I was confused, I am not negitive. I read the forums I know whats going on. I was giving an example of how people could be confused, because most players DON'T READ THE FORUMS. You do know that to get the respec you had to come to the forums. |
element0mega
Elements Of Death Elite
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:14:00 -
[62] - Quote
My boy went 200mil negative. Such bullshit. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
186
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:17:00 -
[63] - Quote
HIERARKIK wrote:even more ,let me just give you an example. so you're walking out of a store and you see a 10 , 20 , maybe even a 100 dollar bill on the floor and you don't see who dropped it. you guys are telling me that you aren't gonna pick the money up and spend it.you are telling me you are just gonna leave perfectly good money on the floor. no probably 9 out 0f 10 people you will ever meet are gonna pick the money up. This is like if $10000 appeared in your bank account. If you spend it guess what? You now owe the bank $10000. |
StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:25:00 -
[64] - Quote
element0mega wrote:My boy went 200mil negative. Such bullshit. LOL who is that, Bain? |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
52
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:33:00 -
[65] - Quote
I'm a little disappointed that I haven't seen a single "my little brother spent my ISK, it wasn't my fault!" post yet. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1711
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:35:00 -
[66] - Quote
Jaqen Morghalis wrote:I'm a little disappointed that I haven't seen a single "my little brother spent my ISK, it wasn't my fault!" post yet. Oh god, now there'll be dozens of people trying that angle.
Way to put ideas in their heads, dummy. |
element0mega
Elements Of Death Elite
0
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:56:00 -
[67] - Quote
Jaqen Morghalis wrote:I'm a little disappointed that I haven't seen a single "my little brother spent my ISK, it wasn't my fault!" post yet.
Like your supposed to pay attention to your wallet in that detail... really? I got 300mil back when the official build came out, which seemed in line with the assets that got sold. Now they seem to think I don't deserve that 300mil for my **** that they sold?
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Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
52
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:08:00 -
[68] - Quote
element0mega wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:I'm a little disappointed that I haven't seen a single "my little brother spent my ISK, it wasn't my fault!" post yet. Like your supposed to pay attention to your wallet in that detail... really? I got 300mil back when the official build came out, which seemed in line with the assets that got sold. Now they seem to think I don't deserve that 300mil for my **** that they sold?
You "deserve" to have exactly the same total assets (ISK + value of gear) that you had prior to the glitch, no more, no less.
If you think you have less, submit a support ticket and, hopefully, CCP will rectify it.
However, IF (like some people did) you used that 300 mil to buy gear, then no, you don't ALSO deserve the cash, because you've got 300 mil worth of gear instead.
People shouldn't be losing money because of CCP's mistake, but they don't deserve to profit from it either. |
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