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Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
39
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:57:00 -
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sgtBelson wrote:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
*snip*
This is a great example of 'selective reading'. Taking the 3 bolded words on their own would imply that all ISK spent to date would be refunded. However, in the context of the Skill Tree changes that were forthcoming at the time, one should have inferred that it was to be only ISK spent on skillbooks coming back to you.
Alas, inference is a talent that is obviously beyond some players. [/quote]
There is no way anyone would read this and "infer" that you were just getting your Skillbook ISK back. Everyone that read this thought that they would lose all their stuff and get the ISK value for it, like they did a week or two ago. CCP was planning on doing a full SP/ISK refund, until they thought about it and changed their mind, and made post a week later saying it would be only skillbook ISK that would be refunded. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
564
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:59:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Dear CCP,
Don't you have enough people fed up with this game already? You do realize, that 95% of the people you sent into ISK debt, will NEVER play this game again. I didn't go negative, but I am among the minority of the players you have. I come here on the forums daily, to find out what's going on. Most players don't. Most players just want to turn on their PS3 and play. They saw the extra ISK and thought it was part of the respec like before. As a matter of fact for the first week or more in your response letters to submitting a Respec Ticket you said you were going to refund ISK I'll quote my response from you:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
So I get taking back the extra ISK, even sending people to 0 ISK, but negative? No one is going to use free suits to dig their way out of millions to 10's of millions of ISK debt, they are just going to move on to a new game.
Your meager offer to have someone submit a ticket and have some of thier inventory turned back into ISK, is a tedious process, that won't help most people because they spent that ISK on everything from Protosuits, to Tanks. Then had those items destroyed by people like me. Some people donated alot to their corp who spent that ISK on PC. So, most of that ISK is gone, and can't be refunded. For a company who's general motto is if you can do it in the game then it's allowed, you are going against everything you believe in, by doing what you did.
People went on a spending spree, but it was your fault.
If you aren't going to just give the ISK back, then take the extra ISK, and inventory but if they are still negative, just set them to ZERO ISK not NEGATIVE. If you don't I am pretty sure outer space wont be the only place in a vacuum.
This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished. NO.
In every game I've played, console or otherwise, exploiters are punished, sometimes banned.
This is the case here. I'm sure those players were laughing their asses off as they spent tons of ISK they didn't have. Well, good luck.
I don't give a crap if they stay or go personally. |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
39
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:03:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote: This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished.
That is EXACTLY what CCP's policy is on glitching. Unless they are hacking the game, anything you can do in game is legal. You ever heard of someone being kicked for Head Glitching, or sitting in the MCC? NO!
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sgtBelson
S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement
24
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:14:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:sgtBelson wrote:
This is a great example of 'selective reading'. Taking the 3 bolded words on their own would imply that all ISK spent to date would be refunded. However, in the context of the Skill Tree changes that were forthcoming at the time, one should have inferred that it was to be only ISK spent on skillbooks coming back to you.
Alas, inference is a talent that is obviously beyond some players.
There is no way anyone would read this and "infer" that you were just getting your Skillbook ISK back. Everyone that read this thought that they would lose all their stuff and get the ISK value for it, like they did a week or two ago. CCP was planning on doing a full SP/ISK refund, until they thought about it and changed their mind, and made post a week later saying it would be only skillbook ISK that would be refunded.
So, then you DID know it was only the skillbook ISK that was to be refunded? I see...
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
39
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:27:00 -
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sgtBelson wrote:
So, then you DID know it was only the skillbook ISK that was to be refunded? I see...
I never said I was confused, I am not negitive. I read the forums I know whats going on. I was giving an example of how people could be confused, because most players DON'T READ THE FORUMS. |
sgtBelson
S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement
26
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:35:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:sgtBelson wrote:
So, then you DID know it was only the skillbook ISK that was to be refunded? I see...
I never said I was confused, I am not negitive. I read the forums I know whats going on. I was giving an example of how people could be confused, because most players DON'T READ THE FORUMS.
Ah, gotcha. Well, please continue in your current role as defender of the ignorant; it will surely keep you plenty busy.
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:36:00 -
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been playing since codex..buy a merc pack a month for booster ..i am done |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
566
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:37:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Buster Friently wrote: This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished.
That is EXACTLY what CCP's policy is on glitching. Unless they are hacking the game, anything you can do in game is legal. You ever heard of someone being kicked for Head Glitching, or sitting in the MCC? NO!
LOL. Let me know when you find a glitch and exploit it. You seem to not have looked very far for CCP's stance on things. Do a lookup on Bot mining.
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:39:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:I really don't feel bad for the tards who spent their ISK but I would hate to see this game lose players. It pisses me off that CCP is going to have devote resources to fix this when they could be doing far more useful things.
CCP needs to;
1. liquidate all assets of mercs with negative balances. 2. remove donated ISK from corp wallets that contributed to the negative balance
Edit: For clarity, anyone dreaming of having their ISK balance simply reset to zero without losing assets or corp donations needs to quit playing forever right now. CCP will not reward you for foolishness. in some cases they took more than they gave also..on top of that we have players that spent nothing ..had they're already fluffy bank accounts get fluffier ...and are now neg |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
43
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:46:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Buster Friently wrote: This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished.
That is EXACTLY what CCP's policy is on glitching. Unless they are hacking the game, anything you can do in game is legal. You ever heard of someone being kicked for Head Glitching, or sitting in the MCC? NO! LOL. Let me know when you find a glitch and exploit it. You seem to not have looked very far for CCP's stance on things. Do a lookup on Bot mining as just one example.
I don't play EVE. In dust no one has been banned for exploiting glitches. How many people used the broken Damage mods glitch, Head glitches, people don't get banned for sitting in the MCC all day and not play. they don't even get a slap on the wrist. |
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Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:04:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:As an adult, I understand that spending money that isn't mine, can only create debt.
Welcome to life folks...!!!! 10/10 for your attempts to hide from it.
QFT welcome to the real world kiddies, spend more than you make and you are in debt. If only we had a player market right now, those adults amongst us who didn't go spending this extra ISK like morons, could be picking up weapons and equipment like it was a forclosure sale. |
UK-Shots
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
118
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:05:00 -
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LOL IM STILL THINKING ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE I SAW YESTERDAY SAYING HOW THEY GAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF ISK TO THERE CORP |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:06:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:when all is said and done the fact remains that players with negative balances will turn away from this game
preach financial advice all day till your blue in the face this isnt real life its supposed to be a casual shooter
CCP set all negative balances to ZERO learn your lesson for the future and move on.
Actually this is NOT supposed to be a casual shooter. This is a grown up game |
ShakeMS
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:07:00 -
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For the people that have attempted to cheat. They should return to 0 ISK and lose all inventory. OR find out the items they bought with the extra money and delete those items and all ISK. Allow them to keep the stuff they bought with the actual ISK they had. Meaning go back and look at inventories of the ones who were "wronged" see what they had before they got extra money allow them to keep that and clean out the rest of the inventory officer weapons and all + Isk and give them punishment for attempting to cheat.
CCP has logs they can see what was spent where the ISK went if the customer was TRULY wronged. They can tell. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
570
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:09:00 -
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ShakeMS wrote:For the people that have attempted to cheat. They should return to 0 ISK and lose all inventory. OR find out the items they bought with the extra money and delete those items and all ISK. Allow them to keep the stuff they bought with the actual ISK they had. Meaning go back and look at inventories of the ones who were "wronged" see what they had before they got extra money allow them to keep that and clean out the rest of the inventory officer weapons and all + Isk and give them punishment for attempting to cheat.
CCP has logs they can see what was spent where the ISK went if the customer was TRULY wronged. They can tell.
This is exactly what will happen if the affected players petition CCP. Thus no problem anyway. Now of course, if they bought a bunch of LAVs or Proto gear or something and lost them in battle, then they'll be negative in suits, so... |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
209
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:41:00 -
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I am pretty sure someone musta already said this in this thread, but here:
Welcome to New Eden, mgwahahaha! |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
92
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:44:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:95% of players put in debt ... that is about... 2% of the total player base... I think CCP will survive. "60% of the time, it works every time" where do you guys get your numbers?
it's based on the fact that 98% of statistics are wrong. or is that 88%? |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
387
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:46:00 -
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Let them petition to return their stuff to the DUST Market for a refund. But only for 30 days after purchase, and only if it is undamaged and in the original packaging. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
572
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:47:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Phantomnom wrote:People had the money, what, two days? And they binged it to the extent in that time they are now so in debt it's not worth playing?
What the **** did you spend that much money on if you can't survive on it now? Did you all go cokebinge and dropships? Have you been playing the last 2 days? People were calling in Dropships/Tanks only to have them blown up then they called in more. In one game I played over 20 tanks were killed. It was fun and we benefited from blowing them up. Try this give a kid a bag of candy and tell them not to eat it for 2 days. If we're assuming the player base is made up of petulant children with no self-control, I'm definitely against giving them ISK back. I'd consider this an object lesson in consequence for wee tykes.
They have proven themselves to be so (for the most part). |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
572
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:49:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Buster Friently wrote: This is akin to saying that players found exploiting glitches shouldn't be punished.
That is EXACTLY what CCP's policy is on glitching. Unless they are hacking the game, anything you can do in game is legal. You ever heard of someone being kicked for Head Glitching, or sitting in the MCC? NO! LOL. Let me know when you find a glitch and exploit it. You seem to not have looked very far for CCP's stance on things. Do a lookup on Bot mining as just one example. I don't play EVE. In dust no one has been banned for exploiting glitches. How many people used the broken Damage mods glitch, Head glitches, people don't get banned for sitting in the MCC all day and not play. they don't even get a slap on the wrist.
Damage mods were never broken, just a display error. AFK farming is on their list to fix. I can't call that a glitch though. As far as the head glitch, this is pretty iffy because it was very easy to exploit without knowing it.
In this case where a ton of ISK just magically appears, then these people go on a spending spree. Pretty obvious. |
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Superluminal Replicant
Planetary Response Organization
72
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:51:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Dear CCP,
Don't you have enough people fed up with this game already? You do realize, that 95% of the people you sent into ISK debt, will NEVER play this game again. I didn't go negative, but I am among the minority of the players you have. I come here on the forums daily, to find out what's going on. Most players don't. Most players just want to turn on their PS3 and play. They saw the extra ISK and thought it was part of the respec like before. As a matter of fact for the first week or more in your response letters to submitting a Respec Ticket you said you were going to refund ISK I'll quote my response from you:
"The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date."
So I get taking back the extra ISK, even sending people to 0 ISK, but negative? No one is going to use free suits to dig their way out of millions to 10's of millions of ISK debt, they are just going to move on to a new game.
Your meager offer to have someone submit a ticket and have some of thier inventory turned back into ISK, is a tedious process, that won't help most people because they spent that ISK on everything from Protosuits, to Tanks. Then had those items destroyed by people like me. Some people donated alot to their corp who spent that ISK on PC. So, most of that ISK is gone, and can't be refunded. For a company who's general motto is if you can do it in the game then it's allowed, you are going against everything you believe in, by doing what you did.
People went on a spending spree, but it was your fault.
If you aren't going to just give the ISK back, then take the extra ISK, and inventory but if they are still negative, just set them to ZERO ISK not NEGATIVE. If you don't I am pretty sure outer space wont be the only place in a vacuum.
They have the right to send in a ticket to support and ask for assets they bought to be liquidated back into isk. so stfu. |
ShakeMS
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:55:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Let them petition to return their stuff to the DUST Market for a refund. But only for 30 days after purchase, and only if it is undamaged and in the original packaging.
No letting them off clean should not happen. People don't learn lessons this way. Cheaters should be punished. |
Xender17
Murderz for hire
126
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:00:00 -
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I spent 20mil of it... before the optional respec I had 60mil. |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
46
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:25:00 -
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ShakeMS wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Let them petition to return their stuff to the DUST Market for a refund. But only for 30 days after purchase, and only if it is undamaged and in the original packaging. No letting them off clean should not happen. People don't learn lessons this way. Cheaters should be punished.
Cheaters? Who cheated? People that spent money that was in their own wallet? What is the lesson to be learned that you can't trust CCP to do anything right?
It was CCP's mistake, no one cheated, glitched, or exploited a glitch. All they did was spent money in their wallet. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
592
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:28:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:ShakeMS wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Let them petition to return their stuff to the DUST Market for a refund. But only for 30 days after purchase, and only if it is undamaged and in the original packaging. No letting them off clean should not happen. People don't learn lessons this way. Cheaters should be punished. Cheaters? Who cheated? People that spent money that was in their own wallet? What is the lesson to be learned that you can't trust CCP to do anything right?It was CCP's mistake, no one cheated, glitched, or exploited a glitch. All they did was spent money in their wallet. What they did was attempt to exploit an obvious error by spending isk that they didn't earn. They got burned. Rightly so. |
Dexter Peabody
Goonfeet
57
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:38:00 -
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i love it when people make up statistics |
DarkMaximos
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:13:00 -
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I had no dept probably because I use my isks wisely lol. |
DarkMaximos
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:14:00 -
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You guys with depts just witnessed an eve online moment. Welcome to Eve universe. |
HIERARKIK
ILL OM3NS
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:27:00 -
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okay so some of you are saying that these people that are indebt should be punished because they are exploiting the system .another one of you said that in other games people get punished for exploiting glitches that fact is that's incredibly wrong I have also played a lot of games. including tribes, APB , COD, black light retribution, combat arms and more. and in all of those games if a glitch is a result of the game designers error you cannot punish them for it.
even more ,let me just give you an example. so you're walking out of a store and you see a 10 , 20 , maybe even a 100 dollar bill on the floor and you don't see who dropped it. you guys are telling me that you aren't gonna pick the money up and spend it.you are telling me you are just gonna leave perfectly good money on the floor. no probably 9 out 0f 10 people you will ever meet are gonna pick the money up.
so CCP let me just tell you that you cannot punish people for a mistake you made and just stand there hoping nobody is gonna get pissed many of my friends are majorly pissed and planning on never playing the game again. and one thing for the guys saying that they were smarter and didn't spend it stop lying you either weren't playing during the time or didn't need to use it, because I got some money but I already had enough in stock before the money that I didn't need to use so please stop being fake and get off the forums |
TcuBe3
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
10
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:43:00 -
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Lets be honest here, no one is leaving dust. Besides isk is immaginary money anyways... |
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