Now that everybody is full proto it's damn near impossible to go against a squad of TAC rifles using modded controllers.

What is taking so long to stop these cheaters?

Now that everybody is full proto it's damn near impossible to go against a squad of TAC rifles using modded controllers.

It makes me wonder if CCP even collects data on this stuff. I'm not going to say everyone, but it sure seems like everyone, is using one these days. It does seem like an easy fix. An overheat/jam mechanic if you fire faster than an arbitrary human capable number.

I'll have to admit, it's fun to square off at range with TAC users and my MD. Watching them scurry around cover doing there best to get shots off at me.

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

So this switch to a gentle touch for fixing broken weapons must have happened long after the Mass Driver was hammered into obscurity I assume.

Yeah just nerf it gently like you "gently" nerfed the lasers, so here are my thoughts:

-remove that scope and replace it with a big glowing blending bright-green solid block
-nerf the range dramatically
-turn the damage down 1/4 (like the viziam)
-turn the rof to maybe 1 or two shots a second (like the heat build up ith LR)
-and my favorite: implement something which can insta kill yourself when the weapon overheats, I'm not talking about a slight damage I'm talking about dmg like getting a charged shot from the SCR.


Yeah, exactly this is what happend to the LR, so please CCP, if you want to nerf other stuff "gently" which is understandable and fair, please hurry up as soon as possible to buff the weapons you absolutely nerfed into 9th circle of hell.

Talking just about the ROF, clip size or hip dispersion is totally senseless.

The CQC ability of this weapon is just the one side of this 2 sided sword.
The TAC is just feared by 2 major factors:
-Range
-Damage

Personally if the dmg and the Range is nerfed, I don't give a flying **** about some blueberries using it in CQC, because CQC is simply not the problem most people have with this weapon.

LOL so what you are saying is make it into an AR??? Derp

Don't we already have a few of those. Range and damage is fine..... ITS a TAC AR!!! The balance proposed by CCP is the best thing that can be done for this gun

I have been forced into using them in order to remain competitive (I am a standard AR user by choice)so this isn't a blind statement, CCP will bring balance to the Force!!!

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

The Tac should be the thing in between the laser and the AR, LR used to be the close range sniper, and should receive this position back, simply because it works, it's only usable and distance and therefore should be a beast on its optimal range.
While the Tac AR is a modified AR, yes you can have more dmg than the AR, but not as much as the LR because your Tac is simply to versatile to put so much dmg out, because you can use it from close to long range.

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I understand the hating on the TAR, but seriously you guys need to pick up a mouse and keyboard... I can shoot just as fast with my mouse as any so called modded controller users I've run into. You can more or less max it out manually. Less focusing on the bogeyman modded controllers, and more on the fact that it is too fast, too accurate, and does too much dmg.

Switch the TAC sight for the LR sight and then go from there. That would fix the problem in one swoop.

Give the TAC the LR sight or the LR the TAC sight?

if you give the TAC iron sights its not a TAC IMO in which case, just remove it.

@Absolute End - No worries bro, think we want the same thing in the end.

Totally swap them TAC to LR and LR to TAC. The sights is only a piece of the TAC, the range and damage should be untouched and even the ROF can stay. Just making the TAC a little more difficult to use at range is all we need. That and love on the LR some.

I love how ppl say that a majority of users are playing with modded controllers. I would like to know how to have come to this statistic since its so obviously full of B/S. Sorry some TAC users may use the modded controllers but the majority of them dont. Every heard of a mouse wheel? Did you know you could make the mouse wheel act as the firing on the gun? There you go. Ever heard of a fast trigger finger?

I think CCP doesn't really care enough to fix it - and if they do care, they lack the competence to do so. They fail to realize how much Tactical Rifle abuse detracts from ground combat. Why do anything else, I mean literally ANYTHING ELSE, when the Tactical Rifle will turn any other person into nanite paste in so few shots. Even a properly fit heavy. I will put about as much money into this game as they do effort in making it better. Not a whole lot.

TL;DR - Only nerf one thing at a time, and that "thing" should be Rate of Fire.

There are 3 main characteristics of ANY weapon that contribute to its overall effectiveness:

RoF
Damage
Range

With the uprising release, there was a general range nerf to ARs, coupled with aiming issues. The Tactical AR became the flavor of the month as a direct counter to this... people wanted their range back, and the Tactical AR's one shot and lower recoil was the answer.

Range is something that I don't think should be changed about the TAC specifically..... In this case, i would suggest increasing the range on other ARs, and putting in an optimal+falloff (efficiency) mechanic. Too many times I am being shot at by a GEK and see the bullets stop 5 meters short of me... I don't even have to weave anymore, and I can slow down and reduce my spread. Increasing the range on other ARs will cause me to weave more, and the hip spread will naturally increase as I weave.

A single shot weapon needs larger damage than multi shot in order to keep in on par with the other weapons in the game. I don't think anyone disputes this.

What people have a problem with is Damage Over Time, a product of the gun's damage, and the rate of fire. For any other (non-TAC) assault rifle, this DoT calculation is easy. Raw damage divided by rate of fire. However, the TAC is different, because it brings in an element of human ability beyond that of simply aiming. How fast you can click. Naturally, I believe KB/M people, myself included, have an advantage here over people trying to use controllers (so-called "modded" controllers aside).

So.... if TAC range is fine, and raw damage is fine, the target of any modification to the Tactical ARs seems to be the Rate of Fire. I mean.... sniper rifles have massive damage, but their ROF mitigates the button-mashing we're seeing with the TACs. Therefore, ARs should have a hard-cap on the fire rate, reducing their Damage over Time.

Lastly, while I don't disagree that other things may need to be altered, it is folly to change everything at once. Basic scientific methodology tells us that you keep everything constant while changing only one variable, in order to measure the outcome of the change.

If you change several stats at once, for sure you will get a change in how the weapon performs.... but you may have "nerfed too far", and you'll have no idea which change was the ultimate culprit.

Lastly, many people have already skilled into ARs. Even if you slowly nerf the AR, you'll still see loads of people using in, simply because they don't have skills elsewhere. And be prepared for tears, because many people skilled into it and may now want their SP back, as you've changed what they skilled for.

Good luck... it's a thankless task!

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Don't forget the clip sze, especially with the TAR this is a big issue. Even if you lower the ROF, you still have 30 tries and need maybe 6-7 to kill somebody. This is ridicoulus.
They should definately orientate on the much more well balanced scrambler, you can shoot up to 11 times before it overheats, and except for the range the stats are nearly the same. So to balance the tactical you have to shorten the mag at least to 15, in my opinion even to 12 would be totally okay. Then you can really see who is a skilled player. Just changing the rof will not change anything.

For cost reasons I generally run with the GLU... and I believe that has a clip of 24, not 30. Think the 30-clip is just the proto.

Is CCP looking to drop the clip size or all TAC ARs, or just the Duvolle?

I don't want to step on your toes, but I hope they do it for all Tacs, otherwise it would not make much sense.

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

If that was not a nerf hammer I don't know what is.

Thanks Whiners so what are you going to do about all the people that skilled into it for that reason give out another skill respec Why wasn't flaylock pistol reduced or the Assault scambler riffle now everyone will skill into that so it can be nerfed to.

CPP you over did it with the nerf Now I will not use the tac anymore what is the point of a tac assault riffle with a scope if you can only shoot slower than you can pull triger and only 10 feet away when I use a real gun it shoots as fast as you can pull the triger. Hurry up there is a whole bunch of other things you can ruin.

Just because some of the people whine lot does not justify changing the GAME

. War is the GAME DIE YOU WILL.

I take it English is not your first language, so I'll try to keep this simple.

They don't have to do anything for the people that skilled into it (as they've done nothing for the people that skilled into other weapons). They announced they were changing the weapon prior to the last respec. Everyone had a chance to "get out".

The fact that "you" will no longer use the tactical AR does not mean the changes were bad. The rifle still has better range than everything but a Sniper Rifle, the fact you can't use it outside of 10 feet suggests deficiencies in your aim. If you can fire a real DMR-type rifle as fast as "you can pull triger", then perhaps you should upload a video of yourself firing with that sort of semi-auto high caliber rifle in real life. After CCP sees you maintaining super-straight aim with a higher RoF while strafing at the firing range, I bet they might amend their position.



My exact thoughts on reading your post.



Ok, Yoda.

No you obviously dont

At least you have come out and admitted it :slowclap: