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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:

Your Absolut End wrote:

Mike Poole wrote:

CCP Wolfman wrote:

Hi

We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change.

CCP Wolfman

So this switch to a gentle touch for fixing broken weapons must have happened long after the Mass Driver was hammered into obscurity I assume.

Yeah just nerf it gently like you "gently" nerfed the lasers, so here are my thoughts:

-remove that scope and replace it with a big glowing blending bright-green solid block
-nerf the range dramatically
-turn the damage down 1/4 (like the viziam)
-turn the rof to maybe 1 or two shots a second (like the heat build up ith LR)
-and my favorite: implement something which can insta kill yourself when the weapon overheats, I'm not talking about a slight damage I'm talking about dmg like getting a charged shot from the SCR.

Yeah, exactly this is what happend to the LR, so please CCP, if you want to nerf other stuff "gently" which is understandable and fair, please hurry up as soon as possible to buff the weapons you absolutely nerfed into 9th circle of hell.

Talking just about the ROF, clip size or hip dispersion is totally senseless.

The CQC ability of this weapon is just the one side of this 2 sided sword.
The TAC is just feared by 2 major factors:
-Range
-Damage

Personally if the dmg and the Range is nerfed, I don't give a flying **** about some blueberries using it in CQC, because CQC is simply not the problem most people have with this weapon.

LOL so what you are saying is make it into an AR??? Derp

Don't we already have a few of those. Range and damage is fine..... ITS a TAC AR!!! The balance proposed by CCP is the best thing that can be done for this gun

I have been forced into using them in order to remain competitive (I am a standard AR user by choice)so this isn't a blind statement, CCP will bring balance to the Force!!!

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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 294	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:10:00 - [1] - Quote Now that everybody is full proto it's damn near impossible to go against a squad of TAC rifles using modded controllers. What is taking so long to stop these cheaters?
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 22	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:16:00 - [2] - Quote its not modded controllers thats the problem, its 1. fast trigger fingers + no firecap 2. super range 3. tight hipfire accuracy
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 294	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote Newsflash, it's not their finger.
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 111	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:27:00 - [4] - Quote I think CCP doesn't really care enough to fix it - and if they do care, they lack the competence to do so. They fail to realize how much Tactical Rifle abuse detracts from ground combat. Why do anything else, I mean literally ANYTHING ELSE, when the Tactical Rifle will turn any other person into nanite paste in so few shots. Even a properly fit heavy. I will put about as much money into this game as they do effort in making it better. Not a whole lot.
TcuBe3 THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo 5	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:33:00 - [5] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Now that everybody is full proto it's damn near impossible to go against a squad of TAC rifles using modded controllers. What is taking so long to stop these cheaters? First off not everyone is proto and just because you have a proto suit doesn't make you good. How can someone cheat with a Tac AR if it is part of the design of the game. I personally don't use one and yes they **** me off but it isn't cheating its annoying. I'm almost positive they will fix it in some sort.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 294	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:34:00 - [6] - Quote It's cheating because hey are using a modded controller. I'm not even hating on the people using them. Just CCP for not doing anything about it.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:40:00 - [7] - Quote They're more worried about the MD being OP...
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 268	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:41:00 - [8] - Quote TAC AR has its issues sure. But I wouldnt go blaming cheating. Honestly its likely that they are just using a kb/m. You can spam clicking a mouse without too much of a hit to your ability to aim, doing so with a controller is a bit tougher IMO. I can easily click 10 clicks per second on my mouse without losing my aim. Right there puts it close to the max ROF of the TAR, im sure others can do much better. No cheats needed.
Ulysses Knapse Bojo's School of the Trades 420	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:42:00 - [9] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Now that everybody is full proto it's damn near impossible to go against a squad of TAC rifles using modded controllers. Scrambler Rifles are an exception.
Thor McStrut Intara Direct Action Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:49:00 - [10] - Quote It makes me wonder if CCP even collects data on this stuff. I'm not going to say everyone, but it sure seems like everyone, is using one these days. It does seem like an easy fix. An overheat/jam mechanic if you fire faster than an arbitrary human capable number. I'll have to admit, it's fun to square off at range with TAC users and my MD. Watching them scurry around cover doing there best to get shots off at me.

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 249	Posted - 2013.05.29 21:15:00 - [11] - Quote Fixes to the TAC rifle are confirmed by CCP Remnant already. we should see them in the next major client update, hinted at 'a few weeks' away. So don't expect changes to the tac until early July.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 57	Posted - 2013.05.29 23:00:00 - [12] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: It makes me wonder if CCP even collects data on this stuff. I'm not going to say everyone, but it sure seems like everyone, is using one these days. It does seem like an easy fix. An overheat/jam mechanic if you fire faster than an arbitrary human capable number. I'll have to admit, it's fun to square off at range with TAC users and my MD. Watching them scurry around cover doing there best to get shots off at me. Including a chance of jamming sounds fair for me. The faster you fire, the more likely it is that it will jam, and will take you 5 seconds to unjam it. This will bring it down to the level of a SR since that can't rapid fire as many rounds as a TAR can. Makes me wonder why I specced SR on my alt if the TAR has same damage (with slight difference to shields vs armor), but it can fire much more rapidly and an entire mag without overheating.
Treablo James Howard WarRavens 2	Posted - 2013.05.29 23:02:00 - [13] - Quote I get more kills than TAC "modded" controller users with my Nova knives... Tanks get more kills than them... Maybe you shouldn't stand int he line of fire?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 297	Posted - 2013.05.29 23:40:00 - [14] - Quote I don't have a problem with any other weapon or vehicle. I love this game. The laser was a problem at the end of Chromosome. I'd trade in a minute to have the lasers back if it meant getting rid of the TAC. It had its place in the last build as a "sniper" rifle for situational fits. I don't blame guys for doing it. Lots of good players will move on to whatever OP weapon pops up next because that's what they do. The combination of being very good and taking what the game gives them makes them elite.

CCP Wolfman C C P C C P Alliance 411	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:49:00 - [15] - Quote Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 297	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:01:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman Thanks, anything to make the ROF consistent with that of a human using a finger.
RoTTeN-1 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:09:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman You guys need to get the whole weapon range thing squared up first, If you havent already. TAC AR is the goto gun because of its Dmg. and range. DUV. AR shoots faster than the TAC but lacks in range. The numbers say different but you can tell when you use both guns. Increase range on all weapons, Then do your monitoring.
Sinned Deluvian Algintal Core Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:14:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman Thank you, just please...don't destroy it.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 22	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:15:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman are you limiting the range or at least increasing the scrambler's range to match it?
Eggress Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:16:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman To be blunt, you could remove the proto level ARs from the game entirely and the Advanced level ARs would still be the only thing anybody used. This is not a time for subtlety.

Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 66	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:24:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman So this switch to a gentle touch for fixing broken weapons must have happened long after the Mass Driver was hammered into obscurity I assume.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2010	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:24:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman ________$$$$ _______$$__$ _______$___$$ _______$___$$ _______$$___$$ ________$____$$ ________$$____$$$ _________$$_____$$ _________$$______$$ __________$_______$$ ____$$$$$$$________$$ __$$$_______________$$$$$$ _$$____$$$$____________$$$ _$___$$$__$$$____________$$ _$$________$$$____________$ __$$____$$$$$$____________$ __$$$$$$$____$$___________$ __$$_______$$$$___________$ ___$$$$$$$$$__$$_________$$ ____$________$$$$_____$$$$ ____$$____$$$$$$____$$$$$$ _____$$$$$$____$$__$$ _______$_____$$$_$$$ ________$$$$$$$$$$
Dj grammer One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 2	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:26:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman Thank you That was all I was asking for. Also yes I am guilty of abusing the TAC AR's as well.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:26:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman I love you.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 323	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:41:00 - [25] - Quote I think the ROF would be a good start, but I think the range of the LR needs a buff more than the range of the TAC needs a nerf. The problems I have with the TAC are all about the range, the LR has better range but the iron sights make it too difficult to track at long distances and the scrambler rifle can't touch a merc at the full range of the TAC.
Azradiel Templaris Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 06:32:00 - [26] - Quote What about TAC range ? Shouldn't it be more in range with Imperial Scramble Rifle ? I can rival it more or less in mid range but in long range TAC has no competition - they can shoot me and I can't shoot back... Don't even tell me about LR, they are basicly not existing :P
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 392	Posted - 2013.05.30 08:17:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 72	Posted - 2013.05.30 09:22:00 - [28] - Quote Mike Poole wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman So this switch to a gentle touch for fixing broken weapons must have happened long after the Mass Driver was hammered into obscurity I assume. Yeah just nerf it gently like you "gently" nerfed the lasers, so here are my thoughts: -remove that scope and replace it with a big glowing blending bright-green solid block -nerf the range dramatically -turn the damage down 1/4 (like the viziam) -turn the rof to maybe 1 or two shots a second (like the heat build up ith LR) -and my favorite: implement something which can insta kill yourself when the weapon overheats, I'm not talking about a slight damage I'm talking about dmg like getting a charged shot from the SCR. Yeah, exactly this is what happend to the LR, so please CCP, if you want to nerf other stuff "gently" which is understandable and fair, please hurry up as soon as possible to buff the weapons you absolutely nerfed into 9th circle of hell. Talking just about the ROF, clip size or hip dispersion is totally senseless. The CQC ability of this weapon is just the one side of this 2 sided sword. The TAC is just feared by 2 major factors: -Range -Damage Personally if the dmg and the Range is nerfed, I don't give a flying **** about some blueberries using it in CQC, because CQC is simply not the problem most people have with this weapon.
Cybus Trama'dol EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition 63	Posted - 2013.05.30 09:47:00 - [29] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: Mike Poole wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman So this switch to a gentle touch for fixing broken weapons must have happened long after the Mass Driver was hammered into obscurity I assume. Yeah just nerf it gently like you "gently" nerfed the lasers, so here are my thoughts: -remove that scope and replace it with a big glowing blending bright-green solid block -nerf the range dramatically -turn the damage down 1/4 (like the viziam) -turn the rof to maybe 1 or two shots a second (like the heat build up ith LR) -and my favorite: implement something which can insta kill yourself when the weapon overheats, I'm not talking about a slight damage I'm talking about dmg like getting a charged shot from the SCR. Yeah, exactly this is what happend to the LR, so please CCP, if you want to nerf other stuff "gently" which is understandable and fair, please hurry up as soon as possible to buff the weapons you absolutely nerfed into 9th circle of hell. Talking just about the ROF, clip size or hip dispersion is totally senseless. The CQC ability of this weapon is just the one side of this 2 sided sword. The TAC is just feared by 2 major factors: -Range -Damage Personally if the dmg and the Range is nerfed, I don't give a flying **** about some blueberries using it in CQC, because CQC is simply not the problem most people have with this weapon. LOL so what you are saying is make it into an AR??? Derp Don't we already have a few of those. Range and damage is fine..... ITS a TAC AR!!! The balance proposed by CCP is the best thing that can be done for this gun I have been forced into using them in order to remain competitive so this isn't a blind statement, CCP will bring balance to the Force!!!
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 72	Posted - 2013.05.30 10:49:00 - [30] - Quote Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Your Absolut End wrote: Mike Poole wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi We are currently testing an update to the TAC AR and we hope to release it next week. The changes being tested include a smaller clip size, increased hip-fire dispersion to make it less effective in CQC and a lower ROF. WeGÇÖre not aiming to nerf hammer it so weGÇÖll monitor the weapon carefully after that to see the impact of the change. CCP Wolfman So this switch to a gentle touch for fixing broken weapons must have happened long after the Mass Driver was hammered into obscurity I assume. Yeah just nerf it gently like you "gently" nerfed the lasers, so here are my thoughts: -remove that scope and replace it with a big glowing blending bright-green solid block -nerf the range dramatically -turn the damage down 1/4 (like the viziam) -turn the rof to maybe 1 or two shots a second (like the heat build up ith LR) -and my favorite: implement something which can insta kill yourself when the weapon overheats, I'm not talking about a slight damage I'm talking about dmg like getting a charged shot from the SCR. Yeah, exactly this is what happend to the LR, so please CCP, if you want to nerf other stuff "gently" which is understandable and fair, please hurry up as soon as possible to buff the weapons you absolutely nerfed into 9th circle of hell. Talking just about the ROF, clip size or hip dispersion is totally senseless. The CQC ability of this weapon is just the one side of this 2 sided sword. The TAC is just feared by 2 major factors: -Range -Damage Personally if the dmg and the Range is nerfed, I don't give a flying **** about some blueberries using it in CQC, because CQC is simply not the problem most people have with this weapon. LOL so what you are saying is make it into an AR??? Derp Don't we already have a few of those. Range and damage is fine..... ITS a TAC AR!!! The balance proposed by CCP is the best thing that can be done for this gun I have been forced into using them in order to remain competitive (I am a standard AR user by choice)so this isn't a blind statement, CCP will bring balance to the Force!!! Lol making it AR? It is an AR, just simply modded. Lulz. Well, I really did not beleive someone would take this serious. I also used the Tac to stay competitive, and know that weapon. And after trying out different weapon I definately can say the range and the damage is simply to high. Look this is the way I think it should be: AR=close range, middle dmg high rof TAC=mid to long range, damage a little above the AR's but definately under the LR LR= mostly long range, high damage. Keep in minds I dont mean sniper long range with this ranges. The Tac should be the thing in between the laser and the AR, LR used to be the close range sniper, and should receive this position back, simply because it works, it's only usable and distance and therefore should be a beast on its optimal range. While the Tac AR is a modified AR, yes you can have more dmg than the AR, but not as much as the LR because your Tac is simply to versatile to put so much dmg out, because you can use it from close to long range. This my friend is balance, if you have this modded AR with to much strenght and range you simply have what is going on right now: TAC AR 514. And this will not change from cutting the CQC flexibility of the weapon, when the major problems are range and dmg. All those guys who cried about the LR back in chromosome now have a weapon which is even stronger than the LR in it's best times, and fight against a nerf. Seriously once again, it's not about killing someones favourite weapon, it's all about a well balanced game. And the TAC AR is simply one of the major reasons why this game is so unbalanced. Make a try CCP, remove that TAR for 1 week, just to see how the game is balanced all in all. I can predict everybody will see a huge difference.



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