DUST Search - Dust is actually physically painful to play for me.

Ric Barlom wrote:

trollsroyce wrote:

Dust 514 will be eaten alive by the upcoming MMO fps competition along with the bad reviews that put it into a very niche status. The first game to launch properly with a sandbox FPS will become the competitive one in this genre, and Dust missed that boat with Uprising failure.

However, Dust has the chance to become the EVE online of FPS - not too popular, but the deepest and most hooking one on market. The metagame is the surviving aspect of Dust.

That's exactly what I think. Dust 514 will probably never be as smooth to play as the cream of the crop of games, but it will probably have much more depth to it, man. There's no point in playing a game you don't enjoy it, and Dust 514 will never be something you're gonna make a lot of money with.

And oh yeah, guys, the game has a crapload of problems at the moment, man, but if you guys aren't enjoying it, just take a break. Don't worry about the skill points because let's be honest here, playing a game because of SP is about the dumbest thing ever. Taking a break is a win-win situation because either you find out that Dust is just taking away from your time, you could spend doing something else, or you end up coming back after the break and you will enjoy the game more. Yeah, you missed some SP, but you've also passively accumulated some which is fun to use. And don't give me that crap that you can't be competitive because you have 3 million SP less than the top dogs.

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Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 461	Posted - 2013.05.28 05:38:00 - [31] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Acezero 44 wrote: Pro gamers would lawl at this game and your post, its vary easy to aim in. The guns just get stiff on a full trigger, a pro gamer would trigger his aim to get back on target. nothing to see here folks.. Actually the aiming in this game is horrendous. On top of the sloppy controls there's half a second of input lag. So how come I played for 6 hours straight and saw none of this? I'm seriously starting to think the build deployments aren't installing the same way on each console. I'm not kidding, just look at all the threads on here and the different experiences so many users are citing. It's far too widespread to just be whining, and far to diverse a list of issues with different issues being experienced by each player to be explained by anything else. People are having different experiences because your resolution and amount of matches you play in a sitting has an effect on input lag. Play at 480p and for about 10 minutes or so you'll have very little input lag and the game feels much smoother. Play at 720p and you start off with half a second of game-breaking lag and everything feels choppy. So, the game is broken Yes. Now we must figure out how to get the average EVE player to comprehend this.
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 13	Posted - 2013.05.28 05:44:00 - [32] - Quote Well, I can only hope it gets better. I don't know how to explain it, I usually have zero-lag, except sometimes in PC battles. But in Chromosome, aiming wasn't perfect, but it worked. Now it's as if I have to fight the reticle to stay on the enemy, it's very hard to get kills unless the person I'm shooting at isn't moving.
Fadiia Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.28 05:54:00 - [33] - Quote get in a game with your mouse. make to marks on your mousepad. slide the mouse slowly from one point to the other point ----> multiple 360's slide the mouse FAST from one point to the other point ------> 90 degrees max turn so the slower i move my mouse the faster my char will turn? tell me how this is not totaly ****** up? how about same distance traveld same turn radius coverd?
Onesimus Tarsus GamersForChrist 108	Posted - 2013.05.28 06:00:00 - [34] - Quote So, the game is broken. Quote: Yes. Now we must figure out how to get the average EVE player to comprehend this. Difficult, considering they are trained to look at poor game development as a feature.
Hendrik Datsyuk Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.28 06:17:00 - [35] - Quote It's true the game is painful as it is. From character select to unnecessary steps between matches. Actually there is no need to even list the reasons why; they are obvious.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 503	Posted - 2013.05.28 06:30:00 - [36] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: I stopped reading at professional gamer. Because how exactly do you make money from playing Dust? Better off with CoD. Also if you are a professional gamer, you should be able to adapt to this game. I also wanna label myself as a hardcore gamer cause I play games for fun and can adapt easily. I play from a board range of FPS and was good at it I.e. MGO2, KZ2, BF3, SOCOM, Korean shooters on pc and Halo as well. With Dust? Currently, you don't. And until it gets fixed, you never will. I didn't say I made money from Dust, I said I made money from competitive gaming and I do. What I said was that it is painful to play Dust as being a person who does this. You learn to identify certain traits in a game, and when they are absent it is much more noticeable. I'll have to hand it to Imps though, most of their members place a strong emphasis on movement tech and less on aim tech. When you can't aim, movement is king. More difficult for a heavy like myself. Got in the wrong boat on that one too. Life is rough all around. Heh.
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves RUST415 0	Posted - 2013.05.28 06:47:00 - [37] - Quote Its weird cause i play on 720 and on my days off from work i usually play 4-5 hours and i still don't experience this input lag. Guess i'm lucky.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 504	Posted - 2013.05.28 06:52:00 - [38] - Quote I play on 480p. It does help to an extent, but it doesn't fix the core problems. There is still a delay and it is still noticeable. Not to mention it makes the game blurry as hell. There are some instances at 480p I just can't see a proto against a dark backdrop to save my life.
Gunhilda Zetter DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2013.05.28 07:45:00 - [39] - Quote Surely a pro gamer would play where the money is, otherwise you're just a gamer, no?
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2013.05.28 07:57:00 - [40] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: ... VLIGHT5 wrote: "Professional Gamers" make me laugh. You must have such a difficult career. Casual gamers make me sad for mankind. 280 million sperm fight for dominance and you guys are the most competitive of the bunch. Downright pathetic, but whatever. Huh? You do realize that there are some people who are casual gamers that are more competitive in more important aspects of their lives, like say, their job? Or their hobbies, like bodybuilding, trail running, snowboarding, and other activites that are non-digital?

Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 507	Posted - 2013.05.28 08:00:00 - [41] - Quote Gunhilda Zetter wrote: Surely a pro gamer would play where the money is, otherwise you're just a gamer, no? Absolutely correct. I make money from other games. Not this one. I don't stop being a professional just because I chose to start playing Dust. My income has not stopped from other ventures. This one is done currently as recreational with the hopes it will turn into something greater eventually. Even so, it is impossible to enjoy with such glaring flaws. It is so flawed, in fact, that even on a recreational level it is not enjoyable. This is reflected easily enough by the majority of reviewers out there who, I assure you, are pretty terrible at nearly everything they touch. If a half-assed reviewer can feel something is wrong with the way the game functions, you can imagine how it effects someone who is used to playing at a professional level.
GLiMPSE X IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 86	Posted - 2013.05.28 08:15:00 - [42] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Gunhilda Zetter wrote: Surely a pro gamer would play where the money is, otherwise you're just a gamer, no? Absolutely correct. I make money from other games. Not this one. I don't stop being a professional just because I chose to start playing Dust. My income has not stopped from other ventures. This one is done currently as recreational with the hopes it will turn into something greater eventually. Even so, it is impossible to enjoy with such glaring flaws. It is so flawed, in fact, that even on a recreational level it is not enjoyable. This is reflected easily enough by the majority of reviewers out there who, I assure you, are pretty terrible at nearly everything they touch. If a half-assed reviewer can feel something is wrong with the way the game functions, you can imagine how it effects someone who is used to playing at a professional level. Maybe he's defining 'pro gamer' as someone who has received money to play a game. Anyone for a game of "Hide the Salami"?
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 507	Posted - 2013.05.28 08:27:00 - [43] - Quote Professionals get paid to play. Usually due to our capacity to win. That's why we are called professionals. If there is any confusion after that, I'm not sure where it could possibly be coming from other than a deep desire to troll regardless of the content.
Delta Iddon Electronic Sports League 14	Posted - 2013.05.28 08:33:00 - [44] - Quote Allow me to introduce myself in the same manner as the OP I work for th ESL, you could say that i am a part of the reason that professional gamers exist. What you described in your post does not reflect its title and, while we all agree that the game has a way to go optimization wise, that your gripe for the game stems from a contol scheme that you are not accustomed to. Once upon a time i too was unaccustomed to the games handling and controls, but over time i got used to it and realised that this occurs in all new games that isnt cod4 through black ops 2 (becauae lets face it, they are copy pastes of each other) please take your time to get used to dust insteas of trying to change it, making yourself look entitled in the process
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries 25	Posted - 2013.05.28 08:37:00 - [45] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Acezero 44 wrote: Pro gamers would lawl at this game and your post, its vary easy to aim in. The guns just get stiff on a full trigger, a pro gamer would trigger his aim to get back on target. nothing to see here folks.. Actually the aiming in this game is horrendous. On top of the sloppy controls there's half a second of input lag. So how come I played for 6 hours straight and saw none of this? I'm seriously starting to think the build deployments aren't installing the same way on each console. I'm not kidding, just look at all the threads on here and the different experiences so many users are citing. It's far too widespread to just be whining, and far to diverse a list of issues with different issues being experienced by each player to be explained by anything else. People are having different experiences because your resolution and amount of matches you play in a sitting has an effect on input lag. Play at 480p and for about 10 minutes or so you'll have very little input lag and the game feels much smoother. Play at 720p and you start off with half a second of game-breaking lag and everything feels choppy. Theres a difference between input lag from the game and input lag from a tv. In dust's case theres is an in game input lag likely caused from the graphics overhaul since this problem did not occur in chromosome. I play on a monitor with 2ms latency with no problems so if ur lowering ur res to make it better u my might want to look into getting a new tv.
Hendrik Datsyuk Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.28 08:44:00 - [46] - Quote Yes please learn to compensate for p***poor game mechanics and subpar balance and content.. =ƒÿÆ Just stay =ƒÖê=ƒÖë
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 139	Posted - 2013.05.28 08:48:00 - [47] - Quote ITT, MLG 360 NO SCOPE PRO
AndyPandy Puschel Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2013.05.28 08:58:00 - [48] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm a professional gamer. As a self proclaimed "professional gamer" u should be able to master any game, no matter what the conditions or rules are. The strength of a "professional" racedriver is not to place first in the best car, its the ability to place third in a mediocre and bad car. So don't complain openly, since thats the opposite of being "professional"!
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 235	Posted - 2013.05.28 09:00:00 - [49] - Quote I've only been playing for a month and I'll give you some advice for posting in this forum: Complaining and trolling doesn't work on these guys. The only thing that works is logical, well-planned, constructive criticism. It takes a lot longer, but you have to show that you're on the inside -- not on the outside looking in (with statements like "I'm a professional gamer.") I do respect your opinion, by the way. Going from this game to Battlefield 3 can be pretty startling: "OMG! How is it so smooth?!?" But BF3 is a triple-A title with a huge budget, a way bigger staff, and their own unique engine for crying out loud! We're the little guy using the outdated Unreal engine and trying to carve out our own niche of FPS game. It's true, though. We spend way too much time sweating the trivial details and sometimes fail to see the bigger picture. Many FPS gamers are not going to say, "Man, the frame rate and aiming kinda sucks -- but that's okay because they're making this cool unique thing." No way. They're just going to say it sucks. They won't give us credit for originality. But frame rate and aiming are issues that CCP has already acknowledged as a problem and said it's a huge priority. It has mostly to do with optimization, which is a constant work-in-progress as you add new features to a game. If you really want to get into Dust 514, subscribe to their YouTube channel and watch the presentations.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 1774	Posted - 2013.05.28 09:51:00 - [50] - Quote I have deleted some off-topic posts and trolling for this thread.


ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.28 09:53:00 - [51] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81296&find=unread
Knightshade Belladonna WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS 298	Posted - 2013.05.28 09:54:00 - [52] - Quote For a professional gamer you cry to much. :p The aiming is not that bad!
ShakeMS Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.28 10:04:00 - [53] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Professionals get paid to play. Usually due to our capacity to win. That's why we are called professionals. If there is any confusion after that, I'm not sure where it could possibly be coming from other than a deep desire to troll regardless of the content. What is your name in FGC? Did you participate in ECT? UGFT? East or West coast?
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 768	Posted - 2013.05.28 10:07:00 - [54] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: For a professional gamer you cry to much. :p The aiming is not that bad! For a professional gamer, he isn't very much of a gamer. If you've been playing games since the 80's you're much more adaptable to idiosyncrasies of games you try, while the 'pro' gamer who's played only with 100 frames per second with less than 100ms lag. Compared to the unforgiving nature of old games it is laughably easy.
Ric Barlom Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 196	Posted - 2013.05.28 10:58:00 - [55] - Quote Alright, guys, time for some real talk here. I mean I read through the read, man, and I saw a lot "witty" comments, I saw some trash talk, I saw a few okay responses, guys, but what I'm missing here is someone that responds directly to the opening post presented, dude. Make no mistake about it, I'm gonna lay it all down for you Mr. Kuronaga, and don't worry I'm not gonna judge you based on the fact that you probably watch way too much cartoons, bro. No big deal. Now let me start off by saying that Kuronaga is a professional gamer and he's complaining that Dust 514 makes his head hurt. I mean let's be specific here, he said he's made money by playing fighting games and occasionally by FPS games, and he thinks that it makes his opinion about this game more important than the opinions of the rest of us. I'm not gonna sugar coat it whatsoever, guys, let's just go ahead and call spade a spade here guys: That's like professional figure skater complaining that he can't play ice hockey cause his little body hurts! Mr Kuronaga, let me tell you something. If this game makes your head hurt, well I'd suggest that maybe, and just maybe, it's the wrong game for you. Now let me tell you another thing. You say you're professional gamer, dude, and maybe you're thinking: "If I practice Dust 514 now, I will make a fortune later!" WRONG! Let me tell you something about E-sports, bro, or any sports for that matter. Your income is based on the amount of the people who are willing to watch you do your thing. Dust 514 will never be a great spectator E-sport: It's not gonna happen, cause it's not what it's supposed to be. Now I've given you way too much crap, Kuronaga, so I'm gonna end with a little advice at the end: Go pick up a game that is a great spectator E-sports game, get good at it and watch the money flowing in from the front door, dude! Dust is a wrong game for you bro. Peace out!
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 319	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:06:00 - [56] - Quote I'm not a professional gamer anymore ( to old to be competitive with the youngsters ) But is use to be. And i completely agree with this post.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 487	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:13:00 - [57] - Quote Ric has a point there, but as a former competitive gamer I understand the point of view of Kuronaga way too well. I quit playing the shooter game couple weeks ago because mouse is just too tedious to play - having to artificially aim slow just to be consistent with the aiming is too much of a chore for me. Dust 514 will be eaten alive by the upcoming MMO fps competition along with the bad reviews that put it into a very niche status. The first game to launch properly with a sandbox FPS will become the competitive one in this genre, and Dust missed that boat with Uprising failure. However, Dust has the chance to become the EVE online of FPS - not too popular, but the deepest and most hooking one on market. The metagame is the surviving aspect of Dust. If you are looking to make cash from Dust, either get hired to pwn by a rich fella through the metagame, or consider other options.
Ric Barlom Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 196	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:25:00 - [58] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: Dust 514 will be eaten alive by the upcoming MMO fps competition along with the bad reviews that put it into a very niche status. The first game to launch properly with a sandbox FPS will become the competitive one in this genre, and Dust missed that boat with Uprising failure. However, Dust has the chance to become the EVE online of FPS - not too popular, but the deepest and most hooking one on market. The metagame is the surviving aspect of Dust. That's exactly what I think. Dust 514 will probably never be as smooth to play as the cream of the crop of games, but it will probably have much more depth to it, man. There's no point in playing a game you don't enjoy it, and Dust 514 will never be something you're gonna make a lot of money with. And oh yeah, guys, the game has a crapload of problems at the moment, man, but if you guys aren't enjoying it, just take a break. Don't worry about the skill points because let's be honest here, playing a game because of SP is about the dumbest thing ever. Taking a break is a win-win situation because either you find out that Dust is just taking away from your time, you could spend doing something else, or you end up coming back after the break and you will enjoy the game more. Yeah, you missed some SP, but you've also passively accumulated some which is fun to use. And don't give me that crap that you can't be competitive because you have 3 million SP less than the top dogs.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 67	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:29:00 - [59] - Quote AoD
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 319	Posted - 2013.05.28 11:35:00 - [60] - Quote Ric Barlom wrote: trollsroyce wrote: Dust 514 will be eaten alive by the upcoming MMO fps competition along with the bad reviews that put it into a very niche status. The first game to launch properly with a sandbox FPS will become the competitive one in this genre, and Dust missed that boat with Uprising failure. However, Dust has the chance to become the EVE online of FPS - not too popular, but the deepest and most hooking one on market. The metagame is the surviving aspect of Dust. That's exactly what I think. Dust 514 will probably never be as smooth to play as the cream of the crop of games, but it will probably have much more depth to it, man. There's no point in playing a game you don't enjoy it, and Dust 514 will never be something you're gonna make a lot of money with. And oh yeah, guys, the game has a crapload of problems at the moment, man, but if you guys aren't enjoying it, just take a break. Don't worry about the skill points because let's be honest here, playing a game because of SP is about the dumbest thing ever. Taking a break is a win-win situation because either you find out that Dust is just taking away from your time, you could spend doing something else, or you end up coming back after the break and you will enjoy the game more. Yeah, you missed some SP, but you've also passively accumulated some which is fun to use. And don't give me that crap that you can't be competitive because you have 3 million SP less than the top dogs. Is not about the money.... Is the "Competitive" game mechanics of Dust 514. Is like playing a Sport without rules or regulations, where "Everything goes". Imagine playing football with 20 balls in the pitch, not restrictions of how many players you can have in each team, anyone can you join the match, even members of the public. You can use any equipment you want, ( A baseball Bat ), and use as much violence as you want. This is Dust 514. Is not a "Competitive" environment.



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