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shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:23:00 -
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As the Subject implies, can we get an actual Developer or PR guy to let us know what the plans are for this? |
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG
Expert Intervention Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:24:00 -
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BUFFALO STANCE |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:25:00 -
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shade emry3 wrote:As the Subject implies, can we get an actual Developer or PR guy to let us know what the plans are for this?
They won't say until their exclusivity contract ends in about a years time. Suffice to say they'll put it on PS4 and PC. All CCP banged on about at Fanfest was how crap the PS3 is.
Something we can all agree on. |
Noc Tempre
Commando Perkone Caldari State
1690
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:27:00 -
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Last time they spoke of it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaikai |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
152
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:28:00 -
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shade emry3 wrote:As the Subject implies, can we get an actual Developer or PR guy to let us know what the plans are for this? Don't hold your breath.They won't announce anything before the PS4 is launched and widely adopted as to not pull anOsbourne on DUST 514.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:30:00 -
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it seems pretty clear at this point that this game just WON'T WORK on a PS3.
Let's hope that CCP has come to the same conclusion (how could they not?) and the reason development has been so terrible for PS3 is because they've been quietly devoting their development time on the actual game that they envision.
I hope it comes out on both PS4 and PC, because I really don't see a good reason for anyone with a decent PC rig to buy a PS4 until it has a nice backlog of exclusives a few years into it's lifecycle. |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
32
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:30:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:shade emry3 wrote:As the Subject implies, can we get an actual Developer or PR guy to let us know what the plans are for this? Don't hold your breath.They won't announce anything before the PS4 is launched and widely adopted as to not pull an Osbourne on DUST 514.
Well, i have a shipping manifest here (are they real?) saying CCP has ordered DEV consoles on the ps4, so im asuming their developing on it.. |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
32
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:41:00 -
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"On February 20, 2013, Gaikai announced that PlayStation, PlayStation 2, and PlayStation 3 titles would be made available for Sony's upcoming PlayStation 4 console in addition to features like Remote Play for PlayStation Vita."
that explains a-lot, ( KINDA) it also explains why their API system that can modify builds in those layers are working with the vita, so the present thing to assume is that, yes their most likely going to support it, I mean as a person who has some dabbling in development, these texture maps are meant for something a great deal more powerful then the PS3, coupled with the fact that CELL B.E. Processors were the prodigy of their time in 05,06/ //their crap now/// (dont even get me stae=rted on this)//// . I'm assuming their UNDER NDA and the PR and Marketing department would have a bloody nightmare if someone from CCP even regarded this post with a response..
come on, you know you wana riffle the feathers Soxfour :P
As well, The developers have been toying with the OCCULER glasses, the game at fan fest works pretty danm closely with star citizens style of programming.
even more so, their MMO their developing, what was it, city of darkness? Since they own white wolf (some of you may know it as Vampire teh Masquerade, or Mage, or even Wearwolf) their hands have been very full. Im surprised they made as much progress as they have..
^^^ Coincidence? ^^^
CCP's Secrets have Secrets.. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
153
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:43:00 -
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shade emry3 wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:shade emry3 wrote:As the Subject implies, can we get an actual Developer or PR guy to let us know what the plans are for this? Don't hold your breath.They won't announce anything before the PS4 is launched and widely adopted as to not pull an Osbourne on DUST 514. Well, i have a shipping manifest here (are they real?) saying CCP has ordered DEV consoles on the ps4, so im asuming their developing on it.. They are definitely working on it. UE3 and UE4 are pretty compatible and the PS4 is the longterm perspective for the game. Just don't expect them to do more than some prototyping and fooling around to get a hang on the tech as early as possible.
Edit for shade emry3: I am deperately looking for the fanfest stuff shown off WoD. Is it still made with CARBON? Are there any pictures? |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
32
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:50:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:shade emry3 wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:shade emry3 wrote:As the Subject implies, can we get an actual Developer or PR guy to let us know what the plans are for this? Don't hold your breath.They won't announce anything before the PS4 is launched and widely adopted as to not pull an Osbourne on DUST 514. Well, i have a shipping manifest here (are they real?) saying CCP has ordered DEV consoles on the ps4, so im asuming their developing on it.. They are definitely working on it. UE3 and UE4 are pretty compatible and the PS4 is the longterm perspective for the game. Just don't expect them to do more than some prototyping and fooling around to get a hang on the tech as early as possible. Edit for shade emry3: I am deperately looking for the fanfest stuff shown of WoD. Is it still made with CARBON? Are there any pictures?
I'll ask around, one of my friends had some neat glasses with cameras in them that they got from ebay, he has a crap ton of footage, I'll see if i can get in touch with him. |
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NoxiousMentos
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:58:00 -
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They have stated,I believe in an interview(may have been a podcast),that they have no plans to even look at the ps4 for dust 514.I may have misheard,or this could change.But I am fairly certain at this point that no,they have no plans for ps4. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
154
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:02:00 -
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NoxiousMentos wrote:They have stated,I believe in an interview(may have been a podcast),that they have no plans to even look at the ps4 for dust 514.I may have misheard,or this could change.But I am fairly certain at this point that no,they have no plans for ps4. they usually issue political statements a la "we are focusing our capabilities on the PS3 to provide the best possible product right now." wich is probably somewhat true in terms of man hours spend but the fact that they have devkits makes clear that someone is playing around with them. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4691
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:04:00 -
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No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available. |
Schalac 17
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:07:00 -
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NoxiousMentos wrote:They have stated,I believe in an interview(may have been a podcast),that they have no plans to even look at the ps4 for dust 514.I may have misheard,or this could change.But I am fairly certain at this point that no,they have no plans for ps4. Then they plan for DUST to fail in about a years time when UE3 and PS3 fall off the face of the earth because 90 million people have moved on to the PS4 and next xbox. As much as people want to say that they will stay with previous generations tech, we all know they don't. Only a small amount of those poor bastards that are jobless or in debt will not move on once the new consoles are released. |
NoxiousMentos
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:07:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:They have stated,I believe in an interview(may have been a podcast),that they have no plans to even look at the ps4 for dust 514.I may have misheard,or this could change.But I am fairly certain at this point that no,they have no plans for ps4. they usually issue political statements a la "we are focusing our capabilities on the PS3 to provide the best possible product right now." wich is probably somewhat true in terms of man hours spend but the fact that they have devkits makes clear that someone is playing around with them.
Very well could be.Just wanted to throw in what "Official" word was out there.
I def would not mind migrating to ps4 eventually,as long as I can keep playing on Ps3 until I can. |
NoxiousMentos
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:10:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:They have stated,I believe in an interview(may have been a podcast),that they have no plans to even look at the ps4 for dust 514.I may have misheard,or this could change.But I am fairly certain at this point that no,they have no plans for ps4. Then they plan for DUST to fail in about a years time when UE3 and PS3 fall off the face of the earth because 90 million people have moved on to the PS4 and next xbox. As much as people want to say that they will stay with previous generations tech, we all know they don't. Only a small amount of those poor bastards that are jobless or in debt will not move on once the new consoles are released.
I strongly believe that if someone likes and actively plays this game,they can get a ps4 so all those sweet new shiny games,and keep their ps3 for this game.
With ps4 have no backwards compatibility,won't most people be keeping their ps3's anyway? May as well use it for dust if it won't be on ps4.Not everyone always has to buy the new and throw away the old.Buying the new and keeping the old ftw.
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Schalac 17
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:14:00 -
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NoxiousMentos wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:They have stated,I believe in an interview(may have been a podcast),that they have no plans to even look at the ps4 for dust 514.I may have misheard,or this could change.But I am fairly certain at this point that no,they have no plans for ps4. Then they plan for DUST to fail in about a years time when UE3 and PS3 fall off the face of the earth because 90 million people have moved on to the PS4 and next xbox. As much as people want to say that they will stay with previous generations tech, we all know they don't. Only a small amount of those poor bastards that are jobless or in debt will not move on once the new consoles are released. I strongly believe that if someone likes and actively plays this game,they can get a ps4 so all those sweet new shiny games,and keep their ps3 for this game. With ps4 have no backwards compatibility,won't most people be keeping their ps3's anyway? May as well use it for dust if it won't be on ps4.Not everyone always has to buy the new and throw away the old.Buying the new and keeping the old ftw. CCP has also been known to say to it's customers, "Upgrade or don't play our game." So maybe once the PS4 comes out and gets established they will move it over to PS4 only and then we can truly experience all that DUST can be. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
316
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:15:00 -
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Ohhh dear.... is going to be so many disappointed kids around, when the PS4 is release...They just make a NEW build for the PS3, why the will do that, if they planing to re-release the game in the PS4, in few months time ?
My guess... 2 years in the PS3, and then most likely PC, so they can use the Carbon engine again. |
NoxiousMentos
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:18:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:NoxiousMentos wrote:They have stated,I believe in an interview(may have been a podcast),that they have no plans to even look at the ps4 for dust 514.I may have misheard,or this could change.But I am fairly certain at this point that no,they have no plans for ps4. Then they plan for DUST to fail in about a years time when UE3 and PS3 fall off the face of the earth because 90 million people have moved on to the PS4 and next xbox. As much as people want to say that they will stay with previous generations tech, we all know they don't. Only a small amount of those poor bastards that are jobless or in debt will not move on once the new consoles are released. I strongly believe that if someone likes and actively plays this game,they can get a ps4 so all those sweet new shiny games,and keep their ps3 for this game. With ps4 have no backwards compatibility,won't most people be keeping their ps3's anyway? May as well use it for dust if it won't be on ps4.Not everyone always has to buy the new and throw away the old.Buying the new and keeping the old ftw. CCP has also been known to say to it's customers, "Upgrade or don't play our game." So maybe once the PS4 comes out and gets established they will move it over to PS4 only and then we can truly experience all that DUST can be.
Maybe so Either way they decide to go I just hope people don't whine too much.These forums are already way too tear soaked by spoiled kids who won't be happy until they have every little thing their way.
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Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
155
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:21:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote: Then they plan for DUST to fail in about a years time when UE3 and PS3 fall off the face of the earth because 90 million people have moved on to the PS4 and next xbox. As much as people want to say that they will stay with previous generations tech, we all know they don't. Only a small amount of those poor bastards that are jobless or in debt will not move on once the new consoles are released.
Every new generation took one to three years to surpass their precedessor in market adoption and the old generation doesn't vanish with the next gen release. Quite contrary, the userbase will still be growing well beyond the PS4 release and those are most definitely not "poor bastards that are jobless or in debt".
You saying otherwise is at odds with reality i'm sorry to inform you. |
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1275
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:22:00 -
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unreal 3, unreal 4 ps4 runs unreal games with ease.
ps4 release we get dust but in 1080p, yay.
then 2-3 years down the line we get a brand new unreal 4 engine. 5 million polys a second, for reals. |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
32
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available.
holy gods of ammar, we got a cpm response. |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
32
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:27:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available.
this is a good response and as close to a yes as i could have wished for, thank you CPM for actually doing your job, no sarcasm intended. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2434
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:33:00 -
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I'll give it at least 3 years before the PS4 finally becomes the most common Sony console in the household. I say this based on the actual history on how consoles tend to take a very long time AFTER they are officially released to become a common item in the market to the point where the previous models are rarely seen in one's living room.
Most of my friends won't even bother ordering the PS4 let alone the Xbox One for several reasons:
SONY's PS4
1. No backwards compatibility. 2. Vague details regarding the use of pre-owned games and how Sony is going to deal with that market. 3. More than likely will become pricey as hell just like the PS3 was.
Microsoft's Xbox One
1. No backward compatibility 2. Installation of the game is mandatory. 3. Must delete installation upon returning the hard copy back to the store. 4. $52 activation fee for every time you install a pre-owned copy. 5. Hardly any improvement towards hardware architecture. 6. Mainly designed for home theater entertainment.
EDIT:
Note: Both consoles will require constant internet connection. For those players who lack internet in their own home and have to borrow their neighbor's internet, they're SOL. |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
32
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:38:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I'll give it at least 3 years before the PS4 finally becomes the most common Sony console in the household. I say this based on the actual history on how consoles tend to take a very long time AFTER they are officially released to become a common item in the market to the point where the previous models are rarely seen in one's living room.
Most of my friends won't even bother ordering the PS4 let alone the Xbox One for several reasons:
SONY's PS4
1. No backwards compatibility. 2. Vague details regarding the use of pre-owned games and how Sony is going to deal with that market. 3. More than likely will become pricey as hell just like the PS3 was.
Microsoft's Xbox One
1. No backward compatibility 2. Installation of the game is mandatory. 3. Must delete installation upon returning the hard copy back to the store. 4. $52 activation fee for every time you install a pre-owned copy. 5. Hardly any improvement towards hardware architecture. 6. Mainly designed for home theater entertainment.
EDIT:
Note: Both consoles will require constant internet connection. For those players who lack internet in their own home and have to borrow their neighbor's internet, they're SOL.
So is the way of life of cloud computing, and if you read anything at all, the earlier wikis points to a cloud solution their going to use for ps1,2,3 support. I'm sorry to say, but this is a result of piracy as well as an incentive to make money.. Adapt or die, its natures number 1 rule. |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
12
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:45:00 -
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What a lie you just posted. The PS4 won't block used games, The Xbox 1 will though with it's Used Game Fee, PS4 does not require an internet connection at all, let alone constant. Neither does the Xbox, though, on Xbox you must sign in at least once every 24 hours. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2434
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:46:00 -
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shade emry3 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'll give it at least 3 years before the PS4 finally becomes the most common Sony console in the household. I say this based on the actual history on how consoles tend to take a very long time AFTER they are officially released to become a common item in the market to the point where the previous models are rarely seen in one's living room.
Most of my friends won't even bother ordering the PS4 let alone the Xbox One for several reasons:
SONY's PS4
1. No backwards compatibility. 2. Vague details regarding the use of pre-owned games and how Sony is going to deal with that market. 3. More than likely will become pricey as hell just like the PS3 was.
Microsoft's Xbox One
1. No backward compatibility 2. Installation of the game is mandatory. 3. Must delete installation upon returning the hard copy back to the store. 4. $52 activation fee for every time you install a pre-owned copy. 5. Hardly any improvement towards hardware architecture. 6. Mainly designed for home theater entertainment.
EDIT:
Note: Both consoles will require constant internet connection. For those players who lack internet in their own home and have to borrow their neighbor's internet, they're SOL. So is the way of life of cloud computing, and if you read anything at all, the earlier wikis points to a cloud solution their going to use for ps1,2,3 support. I'm sorry to say, but this is a result of piracy as well as an incentive to make money.. Adapt or die, its natures number 1 rule.
One half of my brain wants to say "you're wrong" but the other half knows "you're right" in regards to the incentive to make money. This means I will have to buy a new copy just for an overly-hyped console that is best used to watch the Miami Heat games play in the Eastern Conference.
So, I just hope Comcast improves their internet service by then because they seem to have a habit of crashing my connection every few hours which forces me to reset my modem in the middle of a skirmish match. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2434
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:49:00 -
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Alucard Fang wrote:What a lie you just posted. The PS4 won't block used games, The Xbox 1 will though with it's Used Game Fee, PS4 does not require an internet connection at all, let alone constant. Neither does the Xbox, though, on Xbox you must sign in at least once every 24 hours.
Read my post again. You seemed to have missed a few details. I didn't say used games won't work on the PS4. I said the PS4 won't be backwards compatible. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1446
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:49:00 -
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I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. |
Schalac 17
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:54:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:What a lie you just posted. The PS4 won't block used games, The Xbox 1 will though with it's Used Game Fee, PS4 does not require an internet connection at all, let alone constant. Neither does the Xbox, though, on Xbox you must sign in at least once every 24 hours. Read my post again. You seemed to have missed a few details. I didn't say used games won't work on the PS4. I said the PS4 won't be backwards compatible. You also said that both systems require a constant internet connection which is a lie, or misinformation if you just don't know. So why would we take the rest of your post at face value knowing there is wrong information in it? |
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Noc Tempre
Commando Perkone Caldari State
1695
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available.
The chief of marketing did actually slip gaikai is their current plan a few months ago. Hopefully that has changed. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2434
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:00:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:What a lie you just posted. The PS4 won't block used games, The Xbox 1 will though with it's Used Game Fee, PS4 does not require an internet connection at all, let alone constant. Neither does the Xbox, though, on Xbox you must sign in at least once every 24 hours. Read my post again. You seemed to have missed a few details. I didn't say used games won't work on the PS4. I said the PS4 won't be backwards compatible. You also said that both systems require a constant internet connection which is a lie, or misinformation if you just don't know. So why would we take the rest of your post at face value knowing there is wrong information in it?
The last line is based on what my friends told me. You're right. It could be just rumors. Even if you're right and that the PS4 won't require any internet connection at all, that still doesn't convince me to buy it. I might as well just stick to my current console until it breaks down and then buy a used one if they are available. If they do run out of PS3s in the market, then I guess I'll have to bend over and allow a console company to probe me.
Can you bend over with me? I'm sure you're next as well. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:00:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:What a lie you just posted. The PS4 won't block used games, The Xbox 1 will though with it's Used Game Fee, PS4 does not require an internet connection at all, let alone constant. Neither does the Xbox, though, on Xbox you must sign in at least once every 24 hours. Read my post again. You seemed to have missed a few details. I didn't say used games won't work on the PS4. I said the PS4 won't be backwards compatible. You also said that both systems require a constant internet connection which is a lie, or misinformation if you just don't know. So why would we take the rest of your post at face value knowing there is wrong information in it? Xbox one provides the technology for always on restriction. I think we all know what Activision/EA/Ubisoft is gonna do with it.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4692
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:02:00 -
[34] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available. The chief of marketing did actually slip gaikai is their current plan a few months ago. Hopefully that has changed.
He said the Gaikai was a wonderful tool. Not that they're going with it. |
Schalac 17
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:03:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system.
Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2434
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:08:00 -
[36] - Quote
Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
Don't remind me of that video. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:09:00 -
[37] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available. The chief of marketing did actually slip gaikai is their current plan a few months ago. Hopefully that has changed. He said the Gaikai was a wonderful tool. Not that they're going with it. I've tested the service before Sony took it off the net and i felt that the was latency unbearable for anything beyond building simulations, FPS games were effectively unplayable for me.
I love the basic concept but i can't imagine how they gonna make this enjoyable in it's recent implementation.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1446
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:09:00 -
[38] - Quote
Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce.
If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:16:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either.
Is it any more shady than how EA and Activision operates? Don't get me wrong. Developers should profit, but should they be allowed to profit in a way that kind of screws over the players?
I mean, seriously. A $52 fee for installing a pre-owned copy of a game on the Xbox One? How much do pre-owned copies usually cost? $20 or $30 depending on how long you wait? Then having to cough up an additional $52 because the developers got greedy? That's practically $72-$82 right there. I might as well buy a brand new copy for $60. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
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Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. The developers will see but a blurred shade of those five bucks as they get sucked into the publisher's account. Let's not pretent that this measure is even remotely aimed to fund those who make the games. DRM wasn't, always on wasn't and neither is this smartass move.
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Baal Roo
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Maken Tosch wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. Is it any more shady than how EA and Activision operates? Don't get me wrong. Developers should profit, but should they be allowed to profit in a way that kind of screws over the players? I mean, seriously. A $52 fee for installing a pre-owned copy of a game on the Xbox One? How much do pre-owned copies usually cost? $20 or $30 depending on how long you wait? Then having to cough up an additional $52 because the developers got greedy? That's practically $72-$82 right there. I might as well buy a brand new copy for $60. EDIT: Oh wait. It's not the developers that are greedy. It's the publishers. I'm screwed either way.
There's no such thing as a "USED GAME." You can buy a game on a used disc, but the game itself is the same as a brand new copy assuming the medium isn't damaged.
You people are still treating the little plastic disc used to deliver the game to you as if it is the game itself. but it's not. It's just the medium.
It's no different than a USB drive, a flash card, or a download over the internet. What you are paying for is THE GAME, not the medium they use to deliver the game to you.
Just because you bought the game on a round plastic disc, doesn't mean you should get to sell someone else access to the game. You're not buying a vendor license to sell the game to other people and keep the profit of the sale, you're buying access to the game itself.
So yes, buying a used disc or $30, knowing that you're just buying a piece of plastic and haven't actually purchased the right to play the game would be silly. Instead, you would just buy the game like you currently buy a game off of steam, or off of the PSN store. For PC, the longer a game is out, and the less sales it's getting, the cheaper it gets (generally). There's no reason to assume the same wouldn't eventually apply to consoles as well, as they move from selling plastic discs with games on them, to selling you the games themselves. |
Schalac 17
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:28:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. **** the developers. Greedy snarky little bitches, selling you a game for $60 that isn't even complete and then charge you upwards of $60 or more totaling $120+ just for content that would equal what a game used to come with for $40-$50 dollars. I love my Gamefly. I get to play all the new games and then send them back when I am done with them and it only costs me a couple bucks a month and over half the games I rent from them are so crap I would of stopped buying games all together because of how sad the market is now.
I would feel bad for developers if more than half of the trash they released every year was worth half as much as the trash they released last year. Unfortunately we have left the era of great games though and now it is all about killing more monsters or higher res visuals or continuing that quest that noone really wanted to play in the first place but you just happened to be the only game that was kind of decent at the time. I find it funny that my NES collection is still my biggest game collection and still like 99% of those games more than half of every other systems games I own. Hell I only have 7 PS3 games that I actually own because the rest weren't worth more than a rental to even have them. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:33:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. **** the developers. Greedy snarky little bitches, selling you a game for $60 that isn't even complete and then charge you upwards of $60 or more totaling $120+ just for content that would equal what a game used to come with for $40-$50 dollars. I love my Gamefly. I get to play all the new games and then send them back when I am done with them and it only costs me a couple bucks a month and over half the games I rent from them are so crap I would of stopped buying games all together because of how sad the market is now. I would feel bad for developers if more than half of the trash they released every year was worth half as much as the trash they released last year. Unfortunately we have left the era of great games though and now it is all about killing more monsters or higher res visuals or continuing that quest that noone really wanted to play in the first place but you just happened to be the only game that was kind of decent at the time. I find it funny that my NES collection is still my biggest game collection and still like 99% of those games more than half of every other systems games I own. Hell I only have 7 PS3 games that I actually own because the rest weren't worth more than a rental to even have them.
Well, that's fine,and I pretty much completely agree with you. Most games, especially on consoles, suck.
That doesn't change the reality of how games work though. There is no difference from a game you buy on a little plastic disc and one that you download online, aside from the medium you purchased it. So why should the guy who buys the plastic disc be able to sell access to the game to a third party, but the person who downloads the game cannot? It just doesn't make any sense, and to argue otherwise is to be a bit of a luddite.
Honestly, I'll be surprised if disc based gaming isn't a small niche market within 5 years anyway, reserved for only those with particularly poor ISPs. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:35:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CkF_gm1lPA |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:43:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. **** the developers. Greedy snarky little bitches, selling you a game for $60 that isn't even complete and then charge you upwards of $60 or more totaling $120+ just for content that would equal what a game used to come with for $40-$50 dollars. I love my Gamefly. I get to play all the new games and then send them back when I am done with them and it only costs me a couple bucks a month and over half the games I rent from them are so crap I would of stopped buying games all together because of how sad the market is now. I would feel bad for developers if more than half of the trash they released every year was worth half as much as the trash they released last year. Unfortunately we have left the era of great games though and now it is all about killing more monsters or higher res visuals or continuing that quest that noone really wanted to play in the first place but you just happened to be the only game that was kind of decent at the time. I find it funny that my NES collection is still my biggest game collection and still like 99% of those games more than half of every other systems games I own. Hell I only have 7 PS3 games that I actually own because the rest weren't worth more than a rental to even have them. Well, that's fine,and I pretty much completely agree with you. Most games, especially on consoles, suck. That doesn't change the reality of how games work though. There is no difference from a game you buy on a little plastic disc and one that you download online, aside from the medium you purchased it. So why should the guy who buys the plastic disc be able to sell access to the game to a third party, but the person who downloads the game cannot? It just doesn't make any sense, and to argue otherwise is to be a bit of a Luddite. Honestly, I'll be surprised if disc based gaming isn't a small niche market within 5 years anyway, reserved for only those with particularly poor ISPs.
well i see it like this..in 1980, it was big to have a phone, costly to.... now its present day and even fading to black with cell phones and email...but still used. now for those that do not have a phone? well they need to be more focused on getting their life in order more so then a game, and those complaining should instead not see how much its going to suck, but more so go "what can i do to make sure i'm not negatively affected by this?" Technology takes leaps and bounds, if you want to stay behind, then do so on your token, don't drag the others back with you that wants to progress to new ends because you dilute yourself with reasons and explanations to only drive and re-enable your own actions to a non productive means.
that's how i see things, and i was poor my entire life until i decided to change my name and start making a life for myself... so i think I'm ok to speak about this,
and i do think this thread is based on a request for an official statement, not one from those needing to vent? which i think we already got? *looks up the posts* Yup
Again my two cents.. |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:44:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CkF_gm1lPA
that was awsome.
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BASSMEANT
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:45:00 -
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"You people are still treating the little plastic disc used to deliver the game to you as if it is the game itself. but it's not. It's just the medium. "
jesus god someone gets it?!!
dude, it's a waste trying to explain publishing to these cats.
seriously.
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