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Noc Tempre
Commando Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.28 00:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available.
The chief of marketing did actually slip gaikai is their current plan a few months ago. Hopefully that has changed. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:00:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:What a lie you just posted. The PS4 won't block used games, The Xbox 1 will though with it's Used Game Fee, PS4 does not require an internet connection at all, let alone constant. Neither does the Xbox, though, on Xbox you must sign in at least once every 24 hours. Read my post again. You seemed to have missed a few details. I didn't say used games won't work on the PS4. I said the PS4 won't be backwards compatible. You also said that both systems require a constant internet connection which is a lie, or misinformation if you just don't know. So why would we take the rest of your post at face value knowing there is wrong information in it?
The last line is based on what my friends told me. You're right. It could be just rumors. Even if you're right and that the PS4 won't require any internet connection at all, that still doesn't convince me to buy it. I might as well just stick to my current console until it breaks down and then buy a used one if they are available. If they do run out of PS3s in the market, then I guess I'll have to bend over and allow a console company to probe me.
Can you bend over with me? I'm sure you're next as well. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:00:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:What a lie you just posted. The PS4 won't block used games, The Xbox 1 will though with it's Used Game Fee, PS4 does not require an internet connection at all, let alone constant. Neither does the Xbox, though, on Xbox you must sign in at least once every 24 hours. Read my post again. You seemed to have missed a few details. I didn't say used games won't work on the PS4. I said the PS4 won't be backwards compatible. You also said that both systems require a constant internet connection which is a lie, or misinformation if you just don't know. So why would we take the rest of your post at face value knowing there is wrong information in it? Xbox one provides the technology for always on restriction. I think we all know what Activision/EA/Ubisoft is gonna do with it.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:02:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available. The chief of marketing did actually slip gaikai is their current plan a few months ago. Hopefully that has changed.
He said the Gaikai was a wonderful tool. Not that they're going with it. |
Schalac 17
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:03:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system.
Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2434
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:08:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
Don't remind me of that video. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:No plans have been announced. CCP did state they are aware of the PS3's lifecycle and aware of changes in the environment the game is in. Expect plans as they get closer to options being available. The chief of marketing did actually slip gaikai is their current plan a few months ago. Hopefully that has changed. He said the Gaikai was a wonderful tool. Not that they're going with it. I've tested the service before Sony took it off the net and i felt that the was latency unbearable for anything beyond building simulations, FPS games were effectively unplayable for me.
I love the basic concept but i can't imagine how they gonna make this enjoyable in it's recent implementation.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:09:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw
Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce.
If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2434
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:16:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either.
Is it any more shady than how EA and Activision operates? Don't get me wrong. Developers should profit, but should they be allowed to profit in a way that kind of screws over the players?
I mean, seriously. A $52 fee for installing a pre-owned copy of a game on the Xbox One? How much do pre-owned copies usually cost? $20 or $30 depending on how long you wait? Then having to cough up an additional $52 because the developers got greedy? That's practically $72-$82 right there. I might as well buy a brand new copy for $60. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:17:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. The developers will see but a blurred shade of those five bucks as they get sucked into the publisher's account. Let's not pretent that this measure is even remotely aimed to fund those who make the games. DRM wasn't, always on wasn't and neither is this smartass move.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1448
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. Is it any more shady than how EA and Activision operates? Don't get me wrong. Developers should profit, but should they be allowed to profit in a way that kind of screws over the players? I mean, seriously. A $52 fee for installing a pre-owned copy of a game on the Xbox One? How much do pre-owned copies usually cost? $20 or $30 depending on how long you wait? Then having to cough up an additional $52 because the developers got greedy? That's practically $72-$82 right there. I might as well buy a brand new copy for $60. EDIT: Oh wait. It's not the developers that are greedy. It's the publishers. I'm screwed either way.
There's no such thing as a "USED GAME." You can buy a game on a used disc, but the game itself is the same as a brand new copy assuming the medium isn't damaged.
You people are still treating the little plastic disc used to deliver the game to you as if it is the game itself. but it's not. It's just the medium.
It's no different than a USB drive, a flash card, or a download over the internet. What you are paying for is THE GAME, not the medium they use to deliver the game to you.
Just because you bought the game on a round plastic disc, doesn't mean you should get to sell someone else access to the game. You're not buying a vendor license to sell the game to other people and keep the profit of the sale, you're buying access to the game itself.
So yes, buying a used disc or $30, knowing that you're just buying a piece of plastic and haven't actually purchased the right to play the game would be silly. Instead, you would just buy the game like you currently buy a game off of steam, or off of the PSN store. For PC, the longer a game is out, and the less sales it's getting, the cheaper it gets (generally). There's no reason to assume the same wouldn't eventually apply to consoles as well, as they move from selling plastic discs with games on them, to selling you the games themselves. |
Schalac 17
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:28:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. **** the developers. Greedy snarky little bitches, selling you a game for $60 that isn't even complete and then charge you upwards of $60 or more totaling $120+ just for content that would equal what a game used to come with for $40-$50 dollars. I love my Gamefly. I get to play all the new games and then send them back when I am done with them and it only costs me a couple bucks a month and over half the games I rent from them are so crap I would of stopped buying games all together because of how sad the market is now.
I would feel bad for developers if more than half of the trash they released every year was worth half as much as the trash they released last year. Unfortunately we have left the era of great games though and now it is all about killing more monsters or higher res visuals or continuing that quest that noone really wanted to play in the first place but you just happened to be the only game that was kind of decent at the time. I find it funny that my NES collection is still my biggest game collection and still like 99% of those games more than half of every other systems games I own. Hell I only have 7 PS3 games that I actually own because the rest weren't worth more than a rental to even have them. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1448
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:33:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. **** the developers. Greedy snarky little bitches, selling you a game for $60 that isn't even complete and then charge you upwards of $60 or more totaling $120+ just for content that would equal what a game used to come with for $40-$50 dollars. I love my Gamefly. I get to play all the new games and then send them back when I am done with them and it only costs me a couple bucks a month and over half the games I rent from them are so crap I would of stopped buying games all together because of how sad the market is now. I would feel bad for developers if more than half of the trash they released every year was worth half as much as the trash they released last year. Unfortunately we have left the era of great games though and now it is all about killing more monsters or higher res visuals or continuing that quest that noone really wanted to play in the first place but you just happened to be the only game that was kind of decent at the time. I find it funny that my NES collection is still my biggest game collection and still like 99% of those games more than half of every other systems games I own. Hell I only have 7 PS3 games that I actually own because the rest weren't worth more than a rental to even have them.
Well, that's fine,and I pretty much completely agree with you. Most games, especially on consoles, suck.
That doesn't change the reality of how games work though. There is no difference from a game you buy on a little plastic disc and one that you download online, aside from the medium you purchased it. So why should the guy who buys the plastic disc be able to sell access to the game to a third party, but the person who downloads the game cannot? It just doesn't make any sense, and to argue otherwise is to be a bit of a luddite.
Honestly, I'll be surprised if disc based gaming isn't a small niche market within 5 years anyway, reserved for only those with particularly poor ISPs. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2438
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:35:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CkF_gm1lPA |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
32
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:43:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:I'm glad they're cutting used games out of the market. Developers will make A LOT more money towards developing better games. Buying used games is ethically much shadier than pirating.
If I were a developer I'd rather you play my game for free, than pay SOMEONE ELSE to play my game. In each case, I would make no money, but at least if you pirate it some third party isn't making a profit off of my work. If they really do make it so that things like Gamefly and Gamestop go away then they are taking a step in the wrong direction. Used games, rented games and shared games are nothing to scoff at and honestly after seeing what Xbox 1 is turning into I doubt I will be purchasing that system. Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw Buying used saves you what? $5 usually? And for that $5 savings you screw the developer out of making ANY money off the sale? It's a terrible and selfish practice, and frankly, it's only legal because making it illegal is too difficult to enforce. If game prices on consoles scaled based on age and popularity like they do for PC, no one would care about buying used. I haven't paid full price for a videogame in years, and I never buy used... then again, I never buy my games on little plastic discs either. **** the developers. Greedy snarky little bitches, selling you a game for $60 that isn't even complete and then charge you upwards of $60 or more totaling $120+ just for content that would equal what a game used to come with for $40-$50 dollars. I love my Gamefly. I get to play all the new games and then send them back when I am done with them and it only costs me a couple bucks a month and over half the games I rent from them are so crap I would of stopped buying games all together because of how sad the market is now. I would feel bad for developers if more than half of the trash they released every year was worth half as much as the trash they released last year. Unfortunately we have left the era of great games though and now it is all about killing more monsters or higher res visuals or continuing that quest that noone really wanted to play in the first place but you just happened to be the only game that was kind of decent at the time. I find it funny that my NES collection is still my biggest game collection and still like 99% of those games more than half of every other systems games I own. Hell I only have 7 PS3 games that I actually own because the rest weren't worth more than a rental to even have them. Well, that's fine,and I pretty much completely agree with you. Most games, especially on consoles, suck. That doesn't change the reality of how games work though. There is no difference from a game you buy on a little plastic disc and one that you download online, aside from the medium you purchased it. So why should the guy who buys the plastic disc be able to sell access to the game to a third party, but the person who downloads the game cannot? It just doesn't make any sense, and to argue otherwise is to be a bit of a Luddite. Honestly, I'll be surprised if disc based gaming isn't a small niche market within 5 years anyway, reserved for only those with particularly poor ISPs.
well i see it like this..in 1980, it was big to have a phone, costly to.... now its present day and even fading to black with cell phones and email...but still used. now for those that do not have a phone? well they need to be more focused on getting their life in order more so then a game, and those complaining should instead not see how much its going to suck, but more so go "what can i do to make sure i'm not negatively affected by this?" Technology takes leaps and bounds, if you want to stay behind, then do so on your token, don't drag the others back with you that wants to progress to new ends because you dilute yourself with reasons and explanations to only drive and re-enable your own actions to a non productive means.
that's how i see things, and i was poor my entire life until i decided to change my name and start making a life for myself... so i think I'm ok to speak about this,
and i do think this thread is based on a request for an official statement, not one from those needing to vent? which i think we already got? *looks up the posts* Yup
Again my two cents.. |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
32
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:44:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CkF_gm1lPA
that was awsome.
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BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
269
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Posted - 2013.05.28 01:45:00 -
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"You people are still treating the little plastic disc used to deliver the game to you as if it is the game itself. but it's not. It's just the medium. "
jesus god someone gets it?!!
dude, it's a waste trying to explain publishing to these cats.
seriously.
Peace B |
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