SO....

You left the Imps....?

SO....

You left the Imps....?

If the match is decided before the fight, and there are no tools to fix it, just end the fight and not waste people's time. The game is FPS first. If you just wanted to play EVE buy a PC, there is more to do there.

Edit: to elaborate, AWOXing should not be encouraged in the first place. If we have no control who we are fighting with, the game is completely noncompetitive. A betrayal at the management level sure, but any individual grunt should be easy and painless to fix, even if they did cause damage in the first place.

HTFU

Screen your recruits properly; problem solved.

Isn't there a fix in the pipe for this?
In the mean time most corps have set up holding corps.
An imperfect solution but certainly effective.

Isn't there a fix in the pipe for this?
In the mean time most corps have set up holding corps.
An imperfect solution but certainly effective.

FPS or not, it's still New Eden. Anything goes.

That's the thing, you shouldn't have to work so hard and take the game so seriously just to get to the actual FPS part. I am all for meta giving the battles context, but the meta should not OVERRIDE the battle or they have no real purpose.

You don't, there's still FW (where FF is disabled, even though it shouldn't be), and there's still instant action (honestly, where I've run into my stiffest opposition; FF is disabled here too). There's not even a difference in the points or money you earn, except for the more META benefits of PC.

The fact is, EVE is not a nice place. If you don't want to be shot in the back, stop recruiting ******* randoms out of local. Play a few matches with people before asking if they want to apply. Be suspicious of anyone that applies without having played with you a bunch, especially if you haven't asked them if they want to apply.

There are so many SIMPLE things you can do while STILL enjoying the game, that helps screen against these people. Even if you turn FF off in corp matches, what's to stop them from infiltrating and just sitting there, wasting slots while the other side wipes the floor with you?

Quite simply, there's no way at all to prevent AWOXing of one kind or another, other than mitigating the risk by proper screening of recruits.

but any individual grunt should be easy.

FPS or not, it's still New Eden. Anything goes.

Wats Niu Iden??

Perhaps you missed the memo... DUST is within the EVE universe... you don't get decide how much of EVE CCP is going to bring to DUST.

I guarantee you it won't be zero.

P.S. Length of time in or imaginary legendary status from a bygone era does not confer immunity from anything.

Perhaps you missed the memo... DUST is within the EVE universe... you don't get decide how much of EVE CCP is going to bring to DUST.

I guarantee you it won't be zero.

P.S. Length of time in or imaginary legendary status from a bygone era does not confer immunity from anything.

You meant Dust 514, right ?.. New Eden is a Sector in EvE space, that most Dust mercenaries don't even know exist...We don't even have windows in our quarters...

It should require betrayal, not just sloppy mechanics that can be exploited.

It was a long time ago in a galaxy far away, they had icecream.

It was my first, Im no longer A WOX virgin

Yet another thing to add on a long list of stuff that influence outcome that doesn't involve actual player skill, just what this game needed....



Killed protoman for the second time in 10 months,

- He was AFK

Don't speak on that which you do not know.

if your talking about this last Imps v. BM matchup King... Proto wasnt in that match.

No, New Eden IS EVE space. New Eden is the galaxy that EVERYTHING in both EVE and Dust takes place in.

Just as soon as early arrivals stop sounding like pompous asses. You own nothing. You are owed nothing. You are nothing. Just like everyone else.

Just as soon as early arrivals stop sounding like pompous asses. You own nothing. You are owed nothing. You are nothing. Just like everyone else.

Which includes you.

Well, he'd probably own you.....

Yes I went there

I think ringers should be able to be kicked at any time, at least.

I believe this is fair. Then AWOXing would be attaining kick powers, not just allowed to battle.

And how would you propose doing that? Come up with a system in which no one can shoot a friendly, deliberately waste a slot, or repeatedly kill themselves to help the enemy team.

For that matter, it would be a trivial matter to just follow along with the unit and appear to follow orders, while intentionally not killing anything (or only doing so when it won't hurt the other side.)

I'd love to hear your suggestions, short of a kick button (inappropriate; you brought them along, you're stuck with them and the fact that they decided to fight for the other guy instead of you is now your problem to deal with). But really, there's nothing you can do to stop it, so do what you CAN to stop it: screen people like you should be doing in ANY game, regardless of the consequences; I dunno about you, but I'm not fond of playing with annoying assholes.

Simple, give a kick button. There is no reason to have a 15 minute match if it can be thrown in the first 5 seconds by getting on the roster. It is totally appropriate.

Btw, the meta you suggest would be fantastic, and an excellent line to walk for a spy. Not this "you're stuck with me" BS.

That's not a fix for the issue, though, that's a fix for the symptom. The issue is grouping up with any random.

Now others here have mentioned that people can invite non-corpies into the PC matches? That I would say is an issue, given the limited size of matches at the moment. I'd be fine with a kick button that would only work on players not in the attacking/defending corp in a PC match. But if you accepted a spai or traitor into your corp and then brought them into the match, you should be stuck with them; no one held a gun to your head and made you accept their application to join.

Pretty much what interests me in this thread, even though Noc is a good poster.

There are different trust levels. I trust the person calling the shots more than I trust the others, or he wouldn't be calling the shots. If he wants to change that personnel, for any reason, he should have that power. Screwing up the actual fight in progress should be difficult and not encouraged to be honest.

I think that it is currently just like it should be.

After all, in real life when people notice someone on their side of opposing forces deliberately doing something to hinder their sides' performance they go "HEY, your actually killing our own? Well, you can stay, but know that you are being glared at and fill the entire team with disappointment."

No, they'd shoot him and be done with it. The only reason this isn't an option in PC is because of the annoying tickets system. Instead, you be pro-active instead of reactive, and you try to prevent a problem from occurring in the first place.

In a real fight, you couldn't magically make that guy disappear, as the kick button being requested would do, you have to deal with the saboteur. Difference is, at least in Dust you'll see who it is; much harder to root them out in RL.

The solution is childishly simple.

Create a squad leader role for PC that allows one to join a PC match with a squad.
Allow that leader to remove someone from his squad.

You keep your meta-game as an infiltrator could attain the rank of squad leader.
You eliminate huge gaping security crater of allowing anybody in the corp to join and invite any of his friends along.

It's done in business today to protect assets far less valuable than planetary districts.

Access to the server room is granted to select people who can then bring others into the room as required. No business just leaves the door wide open for any member of the corporation to wander in with his friends. If someone violates security the business can electronically remove that person's security access.

The solution is childishly simple.

Create a squad leader role for PC that allows one to join a PC match with a squad.
Allow that leader to remove someone from his squad.

You keep your meta-game as an infiltrator could attain the rank of squad leader.
You eliminate huge gaping security crater of allowing anybody in the corp to join and invite any of his friends along.

It's done in business today to protect assets far less valuable than planetary districts.

Access to the server room is granted to select people who can then bring others into the room as required. No business just leaves the door wide open for any member of the corporation to wander in with his friends. If someone violates security the business can electronically remove that person's security access.

I'm not here to "win" I'm here to "win or die trying."

AWOXing doesn't need a dev fix. It needs a player fix. Screen members better. If someone really wants to be a spy, they'll have to be undercover for a while. Make them work for it. What made AWOXing a thing was that it was easy.

Considering that shooting the enemy is also metagaming. I don't see why it should STOP on the ground, its what you're getting paid to kill.

It needs a role fix, then the players can use that role to control access to PC.

As it stands you would need to apply director level standards and interviews to every single recruit and that's asinine.

It's like making CCP hand out the root password to Tranquility to every single employee they hire and telling them to just "be careful" when hiring. It's completely inadequate.

Considering that shooting the enemy is also metagaming. I don't see why it should STOP on the ground, its what you're getting paid to kill.

What's your definition of metagaming? Because shooting the enemy is just regular gaming.

NOC, is Zitro nuking the corp because of that loss you guys had? Is he kicking everyone who neg bombed or something?

Or did you just leave?

The meta interfering is a problem. If 1 person can tank the whole match, just give them a "lose battle and leave corp" button. No fun having people show up and no one to fight.

it isn't fun, no. it's childish, CCP will fix it or let their game be doomed by children who seriously need to be
beat by their parents more. Grief Uni I am staring directly at you; through a sight on a tactical AR.

it isn't fun, no. it's childish, CCP will fix it or let their game be doomed by children who seriously need to be
beat by their parents more. Grief Uni I am staring directly at you; through a sight on a tactical AR.

CCP has already stated that they are implementing a fix to prevent this from happening and I do agree in this case it is not like eve, as it currently stands awoxing olny serves to freeze bringing new members into the corp, It should require a betrayal of trust not some random in your corp spamming the join battle button.

CCP is first implementing a white list and then a corp role that would allow them to select who will be in the battle or sommat like that.

frankly tho I would like to see PC opened up with some more regions and a merc contract tab added that would post the contracts that alliances put up for other mercs to defend their space, of course with a collateral and an all or nothing payout. for example the size of the payout and the size of the collateral would be based on the value that district had to them and how much someone might pay to have the contractees to throw the match, If the contractees fail to with they lose the collateral and get no isk for the match.