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Noc Tempre wrote:

Geirskoegul wrote:

Noc Tempre wrote:

Geirskoegul wrote:

Screen your recruits properly; problem solved.

That's the thing, you shouldn't have to work so hard and take the game so seriously just to get to the actual FPS part. I am all for meta giving the battles context, but the meta should not OVERRIDE the battle or they have no real purpose.

You don't, there's still FW (where FF is disabled, even though it shouldn't be), and there's still instant action (honestly, where I've run into my stiffest opposition; FF is disabled here too). There's not even a difference in the points or money you earn, except for the more META benefits of PC.

The fact is, EVE is not a nice place. If you don't want to be shot in the back, stop recruiting ******* randoms out of local. Play a few matches with people before asking if they want to apply. Be suspicious of anyone that applies without having played with you a bunch, especially if you haven't asked them if they want to apply.

There are so many SIMPLE things you can do while STILL enjoying the game, that helps screen against these people. Even if you turn FF off in corp matches, what's to stop them from infiltrating and just sitting there, wasting slots while the other side wipes the floor with you?

Quite simply, there's no way at all to prevent AWOXing of one kind or another, other than mitigating the risk by proper screening of recruits.

It should require betrayal, not just sloppy mechanics that can be exploited.

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Noc Tempre Commando Perkone Caldari State 1680	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:11:00 - [1] - Quote If the match is decided before the fight, and there are no tools to fix it, just end the fight and not waste people's time. The game is FPS first. If you just wanted to play EVE buy a PC, there is more to do there. Edit: to elaborate, AWOXing should not be encouraged in the first place. If we have no control who we are fighting with, the game is completely noncompetitive. A betrayal at the management level sure, but any individual grunt should be easy and painless to fix, even if they did cause damage in the first place.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 630	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:15:00 - [2] - Quote SO.... You left the Imps....?
Noc Tempre Commando Perkone Caldari State 1680	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:22:00 - [3] - Quote KingBabar wrote: SO.... You left the Imps....? God dammit, this was cereal thread!
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 162	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:22:00 - [4] - Quote Screen your recruits properly; problem solved.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 493	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:24:00 - [5] - Quote KingBabar wrote: SO.... You left the Imps....? Pretty much what interests me in this thread, even though Noc is a good poster.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 542	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:26:00 - [6] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: If the match is decided before the fight, and there are no tools to fix it, just end the fight and not waste people's time. The game is FPS first. If you just wanted to play EVE buy a PC, there is more to do there. Edit: to elaborate, AWOXing should not be encouraged in the first place. If we have no control who we are fighting with, the game is completely noncompetitive. A betrayal at the management level sure, but any individual grunt should be easy and painless to fix, even if they did cause damage in the first place. HTFU
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2264	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:28:00 - [7] - Quote Not before I shoot you in the back
Rupture Reaperson Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:28:00 - [8] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: If the match is decided before the fight, and there are no tools to fix it, just end the fight and not waste people's time. The game is FPS first. If you just wanted to play EVE buy a PC, there is more to do there. Edit: to elaborate, AWOXing should not be encouraged in the first place. If we have no control who we are fighting with, the game is completely noncompetitive. A betrayal at the management level sure, but any individual grunt should be easy and painless to fix, even if they did cause damage in the first place. HTFU And who are you to tell Noc to HTFU? ...right, some random john doe.
Noc Tempre Commando Perkone Caldari State 1680	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:29:00 - [9] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Screen your recruits properly; problem solved. That's the thing, you shouldn't have to work so hard and take the game so seriously just to get to the actual FPS part. I am all for meta giving the battles context, but the meta should not OVERRIDE the battle or they have no real purpose.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2432	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:31:00 - [10] - Quote @Noc What happened, man? You're not in the Imperfects anymore?

CrotchGrab 360 Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 76	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:31:00 - [11] - Quote I've seen a picture of the end scoreboard of the match in question and wow, enough to make you quit a corp/alliance? Tbh though I'd be pretty pissed off, I hate kids who have nothing better to do. If anyone in grief uni is over 13 years old (which i doubt) then they need to have a good long look in the mirror. just play the match and maybe have some fun? why ruin it for everyone. EDIT: Noc, I won't show the picture, I'm not an ******* like that.
Dusty Sampson Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:31:00 - [12] - Quote FPS or not, it's still New Eden. Anything goes.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 572	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:32:00 - [13] - Quote Isn't there a fix in the pipe for this? In the mean time most corps have set up holding corps. An imperfect solution but certainly effective.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 312	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:33:00 - [14] - Quote Actually, i seeing lots of people leaving their corps ( Including myself )... Maybe is our way of saying; KITTEN the metagaming !! Or maybe is just me...
Noc Tempre Commando Perkone Caldari State 1680	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:34:00 - [15] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Isn't there a fix in the pipe for this? In the mean time most corps have set up holding corps. An imperfect solution but certainly effective. But CCP stated they don't want to allow kicking. So they want you to sit there and do meaningless fighting while you fight men down and they suicide in the MCC. What's the point of showing up?
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:35:00 - [16] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Isn't there a fix in the pipe for this? In the mean time most corps have set up holding corps. An imperfect solution but certainly effective. haha Noc is all out of Imperfect solutions
Model No 0001 Grief University 11	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:36:00 - [17] - Quote Dusty Sampson wrote: FPS or not, it's still New Eden. Anything goes. Exactly. It's not about the fight at hand, it's about the war as a whole.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 163	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:37:00 - [18] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Screen your recruits properly; problem solved. That's the thing, you shouldn't have to work so hard and take the game so seriously just to get to the actual FPS part. I am all for meta giving the battles context, but the meta should not OVERRIDE the battle or they have no real purpose. You don't, there's still FW (where FF is disabled, even though it shouldn't be), and there's still instant action (honestly, where I've run into my stiffest opposition; FF is disabled here too). There's not even a difference in the points or money you earn, except for the more META benefits of PC. The fact is, EVE is not a nice place. If you don't want to be shot in the back, stop recruiting ******* randoms out of local. Play a few matches with people before asking if they want to apply. Be suspicious of anyone that applies without having played with you a bunch, especially if you haven't asked them if they want to apply. There are so many SIMPLE things you can do while STILL enjoying the game, that helps screen against these people. Even if you turn FF off in corp matches, what's to stop them from infiltrating and just sitting there, wasting slots while the other side wipes the floor with you? Quite simply, there's no way at all to prevent AWOXing of one kind or another, other than mitigating the risk by proper screening of recruits.
Noc Tempre Commando Perkone Caldari State 1683	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:39:00 - [19] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Screen your recruits properly; problem solved. That's the thing, you shouldn't have to work so hard and take the game so seriously just to get to the actual FPS part. I am all for meta giving the battles context, but the meta should not OVERRIDE the battle or they have no real purpose. You don't, there's still FW (where FF is disabled, even though it shouldn't be), and there's still instant action (honestly, where I've run into my stiffest opposition; FF is disabled here too). There's not even a difference in the points or money you earn, except for the more META benefits of PC. The fact is, EVE is not a nice place. If you don't want to be shot in the back, stop recruiting ******* randoms out of local. Play a few matches with people before asking if they want to apply. Be suspicious of anyone that applies without having played with you a bunch, especially if you haven't asked them if they want to apply. There are so many SIMPLE things you can do while STILL enjoying the game, that helps screen against these people. Even if you turn FF off in corp matches, what's to stop them from infiltrating and just sitting there, wasting slots while the other side wipes the floor with you? Quite simply, there's no way at all to prevent AWOXing of one kind or another, other than mitigating the risk by proper screening of recruits. It should require betrayal, not just sloppy mechanics that can be exploited.
Amilia420 EarheartxXxX Grief University 1	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:40:00 - [20] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: but any individual grunt should be easy. I agree entirely, +1 OP godspeed and may the wind be at your back!

Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 572	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:40:00 - [21] - Quote Waaaaat? Thought for sure we were getting tools to kick from warbarge. If they slip past that I'm ok with the fukcery.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 312	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:46:00 - [22] - Quote Dusty Sampson wrote: FPS or not, it's still New Eden. Anything goes. You meant Dust 514, right ?.. New Eden is a Sector in EvE space, that most Dust mercenaries don't even know exist...We don't even have windows in our quarters...
Rupture Reaperson Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:52:00 - [23] - Quote Wats Niu Iden??
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 405	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:57:00 - [24] - Quote Perhaps you missed the memo... DUST is within the EVE universe... you don't get decide how much of EVE CCP is going to bring to DUST. I guarantee you it won't be zero. P.S. Length of time in or imaginary legendary status from a bygone era does not confer immunity from anything.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 637	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:02:00 - [25] - Quote Rupture Reaperson wrote: Wats Niu Iden?? It was a long time ago in a galaxy far away, they had icecream. It was my first, Im no longer A WOX virgin Yet another thing to add on a long list of stuff that influence outcome that doesn't involve actual player skill, just what this game needed.... Killed protoman for the second time in 10 months, - He was AFK
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 314	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:05:00 - [26] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Perhaps you missed the memo... DUST is within the EVE universe... you don't get decide how much of EVE CCP is going to bring to DUST. I guarantee you it won't be zero. P.S. Length of time in or imaginary legendary status from a bygone era does not confer immunity from anything. We are clones... We know how to fight, how to kill, how to die, how to be Reborn... We don't care about politics, we don't understand politics... We do our job, or die trying.
Noc Tempre Commando Perkone Caldari State 1685	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:05:00 - [27] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Perhaps you missed the memo... DUST is within the EVE universe... you don't get decide how much of EVE CCP is going to bring to DUST. I guarantee you it won't be zero. P.S. Length of time in or imaginary legendary status from a bygone era does not confer immunity from anything. Don't speak on that which you do not know. And I am all for meta generating the context. Just not at the expense of the actual enjoyable fights.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 165	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:10:00 - [28] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Dusty Sampson wrote: FPS or not, it's still New Eden. Anything goes. You meant Dust 514, right ?.. New Eden is a Sector in EvE space, that most Dust mercenaries don't even know exist...We don't even have windows in our quarters... No, New Eden IS EVE space. New Eden is the galaxy that EVERYTHING in both EVE and Dust takes place in.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 165	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:12:00 - [29] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Screen your recruits properly; problem solved. That's the thing, you shouldn't have to work so hard and take the game so seriously just to get to the actual FPS part. I am all for meta giving the battles context, but the meta should not OVERRIDE the battle or they have no real purpose. You don't, there's still FW (where FF is disabled, even though it shouldn't be), and there's still instant action (honestly, where I've run into my stiffest opposition; FF is disabled here too). There's not even a difference in the points or money you earn, except for the more META benefits of PC. The fact is, EVE is not a nice place. If you don't want to be shot in the back, stop recruiting ******* randoms out of local. Play a few matches with people before asking if they want to apply. Be suspicious of anyone that applies without having played with you a bunch, especially if you haven't asked them if they want to apply. There are so many SIMPLE things you can do while STILL enjoying the game, that helps screen against these people. Even if you turn FF off in corp matches, what's to stop them from infiltrating and just sitting there, wasting slots while the other side wipes the floor with you? Quite simply, there's no way at all to prevent AWOXing of one kind or another, other than mitigating the risk by proper screening of recruits. It should require betrayal, not just sloppy mechanics that can be exploited. And how would you propose doing that? Come up with a system in which no one can shoot a friendly, deliberately waste a slot, or repeatedly kill themselves to help the enemy team. For that matter, it would be a trivial matter to just follow along with the unit and appear to follow orders, while intentionally not killing anything (or only doing so when it won't hurt the other side.) I'd love to hear your suggestions, short of a kick button (inappropriate; you brought them along, you're stuck with them and the fact that they decided to fight for the other guy instead of you is now your problem to deal with). But really, there's nothing you can do to stop it, so do what you CAN to stop it: screen people like you should be doing in ANY game, regardless of the consequences; I dunno about you, but I'm not fond of playing with annoying assholes.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 981	Posted - 2013.05.27 22:13:00 - [30] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Rupture Reaperson wrote: Wats Niu Iden?? It was a long time ago in a galaxy far away, they had icecream. It was my first, Im no longer A WOX virgin Yet another thing to add on a long list of stuff that influence outcome that doesn't involve actual player skill, just what this game needed.... Killed protoman for the second time in 10 months, - He was AFK if your talking about this last Imps v. BM matchup King... Proto wasnt in that match.



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