Don't speak on that which you do not know.

if your talking about this last Imps v. BM matchup King... Proto wasnt in that match.

No, New Eden IS EVE space. New Eden is the galaxy that EVERYTHING in both EVE and Dust takes place in.

Just as soon as early arrivals stop sounding like pompous asses. You own nothing. You are owed nothing. You are nothing. Just like everyone else.

Just as soon as early arrivals stop sounding like pompous asses. You own nothing. You are owed nothing. You are nothing. Just like everyone else.

Which includes you.

Well, he'd probably own you.....

Yes I went there

I think ringers should be able to be kicked at any time, at least.

I believe this is fair. Then AWOXing would be attaining kick powers, not just allowed to battle.

And how would you propose doing that? Come up with a system in which no one can shoot a friendly, deliberately waste a slot, or repeatedly kill themselves to help the enemy team.

For that matter, it would be a trivial matter to just follow along with the unit and appear to follow orders, while intentionally not killing anything (or only doing so when it won't hurt the other side.)

I'd love to hear your suggestions, short of a kick button (inappropriate; you brought them along, you're stuck with them and the fact that they decided to fight for the other guy instead of you is now your problem to deal with). But really, there's nothing you can do to stop it, so do what you CAN to stop it: screen people like you should be doing in ANY game, regardless of the consequences; I dunno about you, but I'm not fond of playing with annoying assholes.

Simple, give a kick button. There is no reason to have a 15 minute match if it can be thrown in the first 5 seconds by getting on the roster. It is totally appropriate.

Btw, the meta you suggest would be fantastic, and an excellent line to walk for a spy. Not this "you're stuck with me" BS.

That's not a fix for the issue, though, that's a fix for the symptom. The issue is grouping up with any random.

Now others here have mentioned that people can invite non-corpies into the PC matches? That I would say is an issue, given the limited size of matches at the moment. I'd be fine with a kick button that would only work on players not in the attacking/defending corp in a PC match. But if you accepted a spai or traitor into your corp and then brought them into the match, you should be stuck with them; no one held a gun to your head and made you accept their application to join.

Pretty much what interests me in this thread, even though Noc is a good poster.

There are different trust levels. I trust the person calling the shots more than I trust the others, or he wouldn't be calling the shots. If he wants to change that personnel, for any reason, he should have that power. Screwing up the actual fight in progress should be difficult and not encouraged to be honest.

I think that it is currently just like it should be.

After all, in real life when people notice someone on their side of opposing forces deliberately doing something to hinder their sides' performance they go "HEY, your actually killing our own? Well, you can stay, but know that you are being glared at and fill the entire team with disappointment."

No, they'd shoot him and be done with it. The only reason this isn't an option in PC is because of the annoying tickets system. Instead, you be pro-active instead of reactive, and you try to prevent a problem from occurring in the first place.

In a real fight, you couldn't magically make that guy disappear, as the kick button being requested would do, you have to deal with the saboteur. Difference is, at least in Dust you'll see who it is; much harder to root them out in RL.

The solution is childishly simple.

Create a squad leader role for PC that allows one to join a PC match with a squad.
Allow that leader to remove someone from his squad.

You keep your meta-game as an infiltrator could attain the rank of squad leader.
You eliminate huge gaping security crater of allowing anybody in the corp to join and invite any of his friends along.

It's done in business today to protect assets far less valuable than planetary districts.

Access to the server room is granted to select people who can then bring others into the room as required. No business just leaves the door wide open for any member of the corporation to wander in with his friends. If someone violates security the business can electronically remove that person's security access.

The solution is childishly simple.

Create a squad leader role for PC that allows one to join a PC match with a squad.
Allow that leader to remove someone from his squad.

You keep your meta-game as an infiltrator could attain the rank of squad leader.
You eliminate huge gaping security crater of allowing anybody in the corp to join and invite any of his friends along.

It's done in business today to protect assets far less valuable than planetary districts.

Access to the server room is granted to select people who can then bring others into the room as required. No business just leaves the door wide open for any member of the corporation to wander in with his friends. If someone violates security the business can electronically remove that person's security access.

I'm not here to "win" I'm here to "win or die trying."

AWOXing doesn't need a dev fix. It needs a player fix. Screen members better. If someone really wants to be a spy, they'll have to be undercover for a while. Make them work for it. What made AWOXing a thing was that it was easy.

Considering that shooting the enemy is also metagaming. I don't see why it should STOP on the ground, its what you're getting paid to kill.

It needs a role fix, then the players can use that role to control access to PC.

As it stands you would need to apply director level standards and interviews to every single recruit and that's asinine.

It's like making CCP hand out the root password to Tranquility to every single employee they hire and telling them to just "be careful" when hiring. It's completely inadequate.

Considering that shooting the enemy is also metagaming. I don't see why it should STOP on the ground, its what you're getting paid to kill.

What's your definition of metagaming? Because shooting the enemy is just regular gaming.