I completely agree with this. If a corp is based entirely in Dust with no EVE connections, yet it has been successful in planetary conquest, it should be able to gather resources from the districts owned and produce products for at least the Dust market.

Dust 514 doesn't have an economy. It has an omnipotent vendor that sells whatever you need at unchanging prices, but never has to buy anything from anyone. Where does this omnipotent vendor find materials? How does it create the products? No one ones, not even the almighty space pigeons up there.

I completely agree with this. If a corp is based entirely in Dust with no EVE connections, yet it has been successful in planetary conquest, it should be able to gather resources from the districts owned and produce products for at least the Dust market.

why don't they just put in buy prices at 10% less so we can fund our pursuits on the salvage we pull?

It needs to happen sooner rather than later. However, there are a ton of things to tackle and it really needs to be eased into. I just want Dust to Dust trading / isk transfer (character, not corp) and I'd be happy for now.

the district wouldn't have the resources available to make all that stuff. you need resources from all the planet types just to be a well balanced machine.

I've played EVE online for two months now. I started because I heard of this FPS that would have the same economy as this intense meta game known as EVE. I loved the idea of using the spaceship markets to fuel the cost of my Boba Fett style dropsuits. Sure I'd lose money playing this way, but it would be my reward for coordinating with my EVE mercenaries to protect my barge in low security space. I loved the idea so much I subscribed to EVE and bought a PS3. Now the game has been released and the beta officially over. Strangely when I began to investigate more closely after getting my bearings in both games I found an impenetrable investment wall between my two characters. Having prototype gear every time I spawn should be my reward for playing both games. When is DUST 514 actually actually going to be a part of the EVE universe, and when can I implement my perfectly fair strategy to have fun in this FPS?

It will happen, but all the over-reaction of that one event on a server where ISK was worthless has a lot of people unduly worried.

A loophole was found to this iron wall.

The presentation we gave with Dr. EyjoG at Fanfest this year has 48 minutes worth of informational goodness regarding this very topic. Check it out if you're interested in a deep-dive on our thinking in terms of merging the economies.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzODp6-hO8


As far as the short term plans go, we are looking to enable taxed currency transactions between EVE and DUST (and perhaps player-to-player trading of items within DUST). This is coming as soon as we have the necessary features in place to support it and have a good feel how the economy is balancing out within DUST. Then, we'll carefully observe what happens, analyze the results and determine the next steps forward. Having full-on secondary market are high on the list of priorities for the subsequent economy features.

I appreciate your longwinded report but, a player to player trade feature Can't be that difficult to design and implement can it?

Also Eve to Dust isk transfers wouldn't hurt the economy? Are you thinking ok? Your affraid you might hurt the economy with any wrong moves yet your willing to let eve give billions to dust mercs? I dont get it?

I appreciate your longwinded report but, a player to player trade feature Can't be that difficult to design and implement can it?

Also Eve to Dust isk transfers wouldn't hurt the economy? Are you thinking ok? Your affraid you might hurt the economy with any wrong moves yet your willing to let eve give billions to dust mercs? I dont get it?

I appreciate your longwinded report but, a player to player trade feature Can't be that difficult to design and implement can it?

Also Eve to Dust isk transfers wouldn't hurt the economy? Are you thinking ok? Your affraid you might hurt the economy with any wrong moves yet your willing to let eve give billions to dust mercs? I dont get it?

The presentation we gave with Dr. EyjoG at Fanfest this year has 48 minutes worth of informational goodness regarding this very topic. Check it out if you're interested in a deep-dive on our thinking in terms of merging the economies.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzODp6-hO8

In a nutshell, the long term plan has always been to eventually merge the two economies fully and to have a player-driven manufacturing economy with free trading, but the process of getting there resembles a marathon more than a sprint. The EVE economy originally started just like the DUST economy did with NPCs seeding significant portions of the market and has grown to its current state through ten years of development. While it probably will be much faster to get DUST in a similar state, getting there still requires a lot of design, feature development and careful cycles of observation and iteration.

Having a measured approach to developing the DUST economy and its connection to EVE is necessary for several reasons. It reduces the risk of introducing too much volatility at once. Some volatility is always good as it creates opportunities for people to exploit, but on the other hand we want to avoid shocks that have the potential to break the economy. One example for a potential source for such a shock would be fully opening currency transactions without searching for evidence of a balance first. Similarly, proceeding carefully reduces the risk of introducing economy-wrecking bugs or exploits by allowing more time for design, programming and testing.

As far as the short term plans go, we are looking to enable taxed currency transactions between EVE and DUST (and perhaps player-to-player trading of items within DUST). This is coming as soon as we have the necessary features in place to support it and have a good feel how the economy is balancing out within DUST. Then, we'll carefully observe what happens, analyze the results and determine the next steps forward. Having full-on secondary market are high on the list of priorities for the subsequent economy features.

Personally, I think Proto gear is way too cheap as it is right now. IMHO, it should cost roughly 15-20m for a full proto fit (dropsuit, mods and weapons). It would then be given the gravity that I believe CCP was hoping it would have rather than people just running around pubs tossing Proto around like it was water.

Maybe not 15-20 M ISK but we should be paying more, there should also be a limited supply to make the market feel more real or at least have only a certain amount of proto gear made per hour, the unlimited supply is junk and I think hurts us more than people realize. I can't even imagine the amount of tears if when we logged on after DT that the TAR was very expensive and in limited supply. I would laugh and hold out my drinking cup.

Implementing player-to-player trading isn't a trivial, but definitely doable in the short term. We are working on it and hoping to get it in if not for the next release, then the one after that. I would love to help speed up the process, but I don't think you want me touching the code unless you are willing to risk universe-shattering dupe bugs and the like. I'm an economist after all, not a programmer

When it comes to managing the EVE-DUST ISK transfers, there are several different factors that play into the meaningfulness of the ISK flows from EVE towards DUST. One of the important ones is the NPC price level in DUST. By adjusting the DUST prices, we can increase or decrease the value of EVE ISK towards DUST. Such price adjustments don't have long term effects on the internal DUST economy, either. While initially devaluing savings (i.e. the ISK in your wallet), long term effects would be limited since the instant battle rewards are essentially a interlinked cycle of consumption and rewards. When the prices go up, so do the rewards. In other words, when HAVs worth 50M get destroyed in battles, a similar amount of ISK is given out as a reward.

The overall goal is to find a meaningful balance before we fully open up ISK transactions. People should be able to sponsor their DUST characters with EVE ISK, but the cost of doing so should neither be trivial nor prohibitively expensive. But it should be meaningful.

Implementing player-to-player trading isn't a trivial, but definitely doable in the short term. We are working on it and hoping to get it in if not for the next release, then the one after that. I would love to help speed up the process, but I don't think you want me touching the code unless you are willing to risk universe-shattering dupe bugs and the like. I'm an economist after all, not a programmer

When it comes to managing the EVE-DUST ISK transfers, there are several different factors that play into the meaningfulness of the ISK flows from EVE towards DUST. One of the important ones is the NPC price level in DUST. By adjusting the DUST prices, we can increase or decrease the value of EVE ISK towards DUST. Such price adjustments don't have long term effects on the internal DUST economy, either. While initially devaluing savings (i.e. the ISK in your wallet), long term effects would be limited since the instant battle rewards are essentially a interlinked cycle of consumption and rewards. When the prices go up, so do the rewards. In other words, when HAVs worth 50M get destroyed in battles, a similar amount of ISK is given out as a reward.

The overall goal is to find a meaningful balance before we fully open up ISK transactions. People should be able to sponsor their DUST characters with EVE ISK, but the cost of doing so should neither be trivial nor prohibitively expensive. But it should be meaningful.

Implementing player-to-player trading isn't a trivial, but definitely doable in the short term. We are working on it and hoping to get it in if not for the next release, then the one after that. I would love to help speed up the process, but I don't think you want me touching the code unless you are willing to risk universe-shattering dupe bugs and the like. I'm an economist after all, not a programmer

When it comes to managing the EVE-DUST ISK transfers, there are several different factors that play into the meaningfulness of the ISK flows from EVE towards DUST. One of the important ones is the NPC price level in DUST. By adjusting the DUST prices, we can increase or decrease the value of EVE ISK towards DUST. Such price adjustments don't have long term effects on the internal DUST economy, either. While initially devaluing savings (i.e. the ISK in your wallet), long term effects would be limited since the instant battle rewards are essentially a interlinked cycle of consumption and rewards. When the prices go up, so do the rewards. In other words, when HAVs worth 50M get destroyed in battles, a similar amount of ISK is given out as a reward.

The overall goal is to find a meaningful balance before we fully open up ISK transactions. People should be able to sponsor their DUST characters with EVE ISK, but the cost of doing so should neither be trivial nor prohibitively expensive. But it should be meaningful.