DUST Search - One Universe, One War, Two Economies

CCP Nothin wrote:

Bling Blaine wrote:

CCP Nothin wrote:

The presentation we gave with Dr. EyjoG at Fanfest this year has 48 minutes worth of informational goodness regarding this very topic. Check it out if you're interested in a deep-dive on our thinking in terms of merging the economies.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzODp6-hO8

As far as the short term plans go, we are looking to enable taxed currency transactions between EVE and DUST (and perhaps player-to-player trading of items within DUST). This is coming as soon as we have the necessary features in place to support it and have a good feel how the economy is balancing out within DUST. Then, we'll carefully observe what happens, analyze the results and determine the next steps forward. Having full-on secondary market are high on the list of priorities for the subsequent economy features.

I appreciate your longwinded report but, a player to player trade feature Can't be that difficult to design and implement can it?

Also Eve to Dust isk transfers wouldn't hurt the economy? Are you thinking ok? Your affraid you might hurt the economy with any wrong moves yet your willing to let eve give billions to dust mercs? I dont get it?

Implementing player-to-player trading isn't a trivial, but definitely doable in the short term. We are working on it and hoping to get it in if not for the next release, then the one after that. I would love to help speed up the process, but I don't think you want me touching the code unless you are willing to risk universe-shattering dupe bugs and the like. I'm an economist after all, not a programmer Smile

When it comes to managing the EVE-DUST ISK transfers, there are several different factors that play into the meaningfulness of the ISK flows from EVE towards DUST. One of the important ones is the NPC price level in DUST. By adjusting the DUST prices, we can increase or decrease the value of EVE ISK towards DUST. Such price adjustments don't have long term effects on the internal DUST economy, either. While initially devaluing savings (i.e. the ISK in your wallet), long term effects would be limited since the instant battle rewards are essentially a interlinked cycle of consumption and rewards. When the prices go up, so do the rewards. In other words, when HAVs worth 50M get destroyed in battles, a similar amount of ISK is given out as a reward.

The overall goal is to find a meaningful balance before we fully open up ISK transactions. People should be able to sponsor their DUST characters with EVE ISK, but the cost of doing so should neither be trivial nor prohibitively expensive. But it should be meaningful.


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Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2013.06.01 14:52:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Bling Blaine wrote: CCP Nothin wrote: The presentation we gave with Dr. EyjoG at Fanfest this year has 48 minutes worth of informational goodness regarding this very topic. Check it out if you're interested in a deep-dive on our thinking in terms of merging the economies. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzODp6-hO8 As far as the short term plans go, we are looking to enable taxed currency transactions between EVE and DUST (and perhaps player-to-player trading of items within DUST). This is coming as soon as we have the necessary features in place to support it and have a good feel how the economy is balancing out within DUST. Then, we'll carefully observe what happens, analyze the results and determine the next steps forward. Having full-on secondary market are high on the list of priorities for the subsequent economy features. I appreciate your longwinded report but, a player to player trade feature Can't be that difficult to design and implement can it? Also Eve to Dust isk transfers wouldn't hurt the economy? Are you thinking ok? Your affraid you might hurt the economy with any wrong moves yet your willing to let eve give billions to dust mercs? I dont get it? Implementing player-to-player trading isn't a trivial, but definitely doable in the short term. We are working on it and hoping to get it in if not for the next release, then the one after that. I would love to help speed up the process, but I don't think you want me touching the code unless you are willing to risk universe-shattering dupe bugs and the like. I'm an economist after all, not a programmer When it comes to managing the EVE-DUST ISK transfers, there are several different factors that play into the meaningfulness of the ISK flows from EVE towards DUST. One of the important ones is the NPC price level in DUST. By adjusting the DUST prices, we can increase or decrease the value of EVE ISK towards DUST. Such price adjustments don't have long term effects on the internal DUST economy, either. While initially devaluing savings (i.e. the ISK in your wallet), long term effects would be limited since the instant battle rewards are essentially a interlinked cycle of consumption and rewards. When the prices go up, so do the rewards. In other words, when HAVs worth 50M get destroyed in battles, a similar amount of ISK is given out as a reward. The overall goal is to find a meaningful balance before we fully open up ISK transactions. People should be able to sponsor their DUST characters with EVE ISK, but the cost of doing so should neither be trivial nor prohibitively expensive. But it should be meaningful. So wait another year before trading? Come on guys, this is not near future this is still far future and as such we will all have gobs of assets we can't use sitting in our hangers. Please give us a way to turn these items into ISK or at least trade them to other players for isk. The main selling point of the game is the inter-connectivity with the Eve universe and what we see is that currently there is only one way they are connected, precision strike in PC battles. I don't care if it is just Dust to Dust trading or a combination of Dust to Eve to Dust trading but something needs to happen in the next 6 months. After the Open beta (6 months long) I personally had more than 250 million isk worth of assets that were just sitting in my hanger. I know that many other players had even larger amounts of gear in their assets. Marketing items would help war efforts in a universe constantly at war. The only corporation getting rich from the war efforts currently is Genoloution.
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2013.06.01 15:28:00 - [2] - Quote @ Maken I'm a patient person, I've asked for a 6 month implementation rather than today or tomorrow. This is a big deal to me and maybe I just need to go shoot some red dots to clear my head about the issue but they have said soon about this since closed beta, I don't want this to be like Missile Turret actuation on Drakes. I understand that there is a 5 year road map for Dust. I also feel that the rewards players receive for battle payouts is sub-par but instead of asking for more isk from pub matches I just want to be able to sell the other 50% of the rewards gained from battles. Eve player interaction is motivated by isk, shouldn't Dust be the same way?
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 84	Posted - 2013.06.01 20:44:00 - [3] - Quote @ Cross Yeah, I think we can expect some pretty cool stuff in the next 3-6 months from CCP. Dev blogs are always appreciated as they let us know what they have decided is most important on the agenda. It would be nice to have a ranking system for the requests to see what they feel is most important and what they've decided to focus on.
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2013.06.01 23:52:00 - [4] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I still fail to see why we can't have DUST to DUST trading, idgaf about EVE and their economy tbh, I want to be able to transfer ISK to people in DUST, I'd like to receive ISK for my services without having to have a separate Corporation to use as a money handler, it's ridiculous, same with trading equipment, I should be able to select a player who's not in a battle, select Trade, when the player accepts it should open up 3 Boxes, My Inventory, My Offer, Their Offer, above should show their name, corporation, and then another Box showing ISK for ISK transfers (So it would be empty unless I pushed a number into it) I agree, this is something that could be implemented in the short term without risk of breaking anything. I believe a contract to trade system is another thing short term (dust to dust) that would be easy to do without breaking anything.