I too started playing EVE because of DUST. Created my EVE and DUST chars on the same day. But played EVE first. The danger of merging markets now, would be great ISK divide between DUSTies with EVE side connection and DUSTies without it. I am talking about ISK donations from EVE side. 1.000.000 ISK for one capsuleer is earned in 20 minutes and less. For merc who is not a ceo/director of district owning corp it takes 4 hours or 3. And not everybody wants to have an EVE account. Yet

Add to this market prices manipulation by capsuleers. I bet they can't wait for it Imagine 10x prices hikes in a matter of minutes... We are not ready for this yet imho. DUST battles payouts should be increased tenfold or more for the merge to be safe...

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Yeah right! We need to rise the price of our services. Let's start the general strike

Pay or die! Pay or die! Pay or die! Comon guys, repeat. Pay or die! Pay or die! Pay or die!
Lol

Personally, I think Proto gear is way too cheap as it is right now. IMHO, it should cost roughly 15-20m for a full proto fit (dropsuit, mods and weapons). It would then be given the gravity that I believe CCP was hoping it would have rather than people just running around pubs tossing Proto around like it was water.

@Topher

No offense, but if you're gate-jumping a mining ship into low, you're doing it wrong. Haul that **** into a quiet little corner of low, drop it in the station there and then (here's the kicker) jump clone out. This way you can keep the system quiet as far as gate jumps are concerned on dotlan.

When you want to go mining there, STAY AT YOUR KEYBOARD and KEEP EVE UP FRONT ON YOUR MONITOR. Jumpclone into the system and tank the rats, don't kill them.

Keep these tips in mind and you should be able to mine till your heart's content in relative safety.

I believe that is far too expensive for how quickly you can be killed in DUST. DUST gear should be cheap, just like it is. This allows for players to use prototype gear in public matches without being deathly afraid of losing it. At that price no one would ever use the gear and it would just sit on the market forever.

I disagree, it would still be found in PC and potentially in FW too (if we're getting LP and better rewards that is). It would only disappear from pubs which I don't think is a bad thing.

There is currently very little risk v reward in Dust and if we had a single economy shared between the two, the risk would become even less.

I can't argue that risk would go down, but I think that the risk should go down to meet the current reward for playing any part of DUST.

Again, I have to disagree, if the risk is lessened, then the only barrier to Proto will become SP which will just cause newbs to get faceraped even worse than they do currently. This wouldn't be a good thing for Dust on the whole.

Protogear needs more gravity, not more commonality.

Dust 514 doesn't have an economy. It has an omnipotent vendor that sells whatever you need at unchanging prices, but never has to buy anything from anyone. Where does this omnipotent vendor find materials? How does it create the products? No one ones, not even the almighty space pigeons up there.

I see your point. Proto gear should be the tech II/III of the DUST world, but until they add more rewarding content for DUST players to participate in I just can't imagine a DUST player shelling out 15 - 20 million ISK for a dropsuit fitting. I usually spawn in DUST with a meta 1 dropsuit and a meta 5 weapon to save some cash. My scrambler pistol still rips through the most tanky prototypes out there. If they were to make a dropsuit fit cost 15 - 20 mil, that dropsuit had better be able to wreck anyone in militia with a couple shots. Think about someone attacking an Ishtar with a Merlin. The Ishtar should win. I just don't think prototype gear preforms that well to cost that much.

I support CCP's plan to allow Eve Online players control of the manufacturing of our assets mainly for two big reasons:

1. The system is already in place for it and the industry has been working and thriving for 10 years non-stop with many players already establishing effective production chains while figuring out and planning ahead for minimum production costs while also maximizing their gains.

2. Market competition is already in place and will guarantee that Dust players will get a good deal if they are smart enough to know where to look even if they don't have connections to Eve. If an Eve player wants to sell you a 'Thale' sniper rifle for 10 million ISK, you will always find another Eve player willing to sell you the same thing for less. The market is perfectly designed for that kind of stuff in Eve.

It would be nice for Dust to have its own industry, but right now Dust doesn't even have anything to start for that except clone production on PC districts. Therefore, it's best that Eve players spearhead the operation.

Of course EVE players want protosuits to cost more... why wouldnt they?

These two guys pushing this 10-20mil a protosuit probably want to manufacture. One more reason CCP shouldnt listen to spaceship nerds when it comes to making their FPS.

Of course EVE players want protosuits to cost more... why wouldnt they?

These two guys pushing this 10-20mil a protosuit probably want to manufacture. One more reason CCP shouldnt listen to spaceship nerds when it comes to making their FPS.

Actually, CCP should listen to the Eve players for this stuff. Why? Because those "two guys" you're referring to are not the only ones wanting to manufacture and sell. Remember, New Eden is all about market competition. Just because a player in Eve wants to sell you a 10 million ISK 'Thale' sniper rifle it doesn't mean that will be the new price. The price will be dependent on several factors listed below:

1. Supply: The greater the supply, the lower the cost.

2. Demand: The greater the demand, the higher the price.

3. Competition: If I'm selling a 'Thale' for 10 million ISK in Eve, there will always be another player in Eve who wants to sell for a fraction of that price thus stealing my customers while undercutting me.

4. Ease of production: It will depend heavily on how easy it is to produce the items. In Eve, I can produce 100 destroyers with no problem (cheap ships) but I will have a problem trying to produce even 10 interdictors (expensive ships).

5. Availability of materials needed for production: Do you have a tight control on the material or is the material something others can get readily?

6. How much is the buyer willing to pay and how badly do they need it?

^ This. Even if I wanted to make my DUST experience more expensive, I couldn't.

Maken has got a point Cyn, if I were the only one that could manufacture Proto suits, you'd be paying a damn sight more than 10-20m ISK per suit.

****, if I were the only one, I'd keep a stable of protoscrubs as my own personal lapdogs just feeding their addictions on the cheap while gouging everyone else.

Of course EVE players want protosuits to cost more... why wouldnt they?

These two guys pushing this 10-20mil a protosuit probably want to manufacture. One more reason CCP shouldnt listen to spaceship nerds when it comes to making their FPS.

actually CCP dropped the prices of infantry equipment sharply because the EVE manufacturing nerds were enraged that infantry equipment could cost as much as warships. It would have allowed an unchecked and horrendous ISK faucet into New Eden to pay for all of the things, and it would have sharply devalued everyone's ships, or forced a massive cost-inflation.

20 million is more than I need to effectively purchase and fit a fleet capable combat cruiser or buy a specialist frigate class ship or interdictor. why the hell would a suit of infantry body armor be reasonable at even a tenth of that cost?

As it stands current fitting costs at prototype level cost about ten proto fits = one fully fitted attack frigate. that's really pushing it on a cost scale.

I endorse a single economy, and CCP itself said it was coming, but I don't want the capsuleers to have all the fun. We mercenaries deserve some industry, too!

I've played EVE online for two months now. I started because I heard of this FPS that would have the same economy as this intense meta game known as EVE. I loved the idea of using the spaceship markets to fuel the cost of my Boba Fett style dropsuits. Sure I'd lose money playing this way, but it would be my reward for coordinating with my EVE mercenaries to protect my barge in low security space. I loved the idea so much I subscribed to EVE and bought a PS3. Now the game has been released and the beta officially over. Strangely when I began to investigate more closely after getting my bearings in both games I found an impenetrable investment wall between my two characters. Having prototype gear every time I spawn should be my reward for playing both games. When is DUST 514 actually actually going to be a part of the EVE universe, and when can I implement my perfectly fair strategy to have fun in this FPS?