DUST Search - One Universe, One War, Two Economies

CCP Nothin wrote:

Bling Blaine wrote:

CCP Nothin wrote:

The presentation we gave with Dr. EyjoG at Fanfest this year has 48 minutes worth of informational goodness regarding this very topic. Check it out if you're interested in a deep-dive on our thinking in terms of merging the economies.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzODp6-hO8

As far as the short term plans go, we are looking to enable taxed currency transactions between EVE and DUST (and perhaps player-to-player trading of items within DUST). This is coming as soon as we have the necessary features in place to support it and have a good feel how the economy is balancing out within DUST. Then, we'll carefully observe what happens, analyze the results and determine the next steps forward. Having full-on secondary market are high on the list of priorities for the subsequent economy features.

I appreciate your longwinded report but, a player to player trade feature Can't be that difficult to design and implement can it?

Also Eve to Dust isk transfers wouldn't hurt the economy? Are you thinking ok? Your affraid you might hurt the economy with any wrong moves yet your willing to let eve give billions to dust mercs? I dont get it?

Implementing player-to-player trading isn't a trivial, but definitely doable in the short term. We are working on it and hoping to get it in if not for the next release, then the one after that. I would love to help speed up the process, but I don't think you want me touching the code unless you are willing to risk universe-shattering dupe bugs and the like. I'm an economist after all, not a programmer Smile

When it comes to managing the EVE-DUST ISK transfers, there are several different factors that play into the meaningfulness of the ISK flows from EVE towards DUST. One of the important ones is the NPC price level in DUST. By adjusting the DUST prices, we can increase or decrease the value of EVE ISK towards DUST. Such price adjustments don't have long term effects on the internal DUST economy, either. While initially devaluing savings (i.e. the ISK in your wallet), long term effects would be limited since the instant battle rewards are essentially a interlinked cycle of consumption and rewards. When the prices go up, so do the rewards. In other words, when HAVs worth 50M get destroyed in battles, a similar amount of ISK is given out as a reward.

The overall goal is to find a meaningful balance before we fully open up ISK transactions. People should be able to sponsor their DUST characters with EVE ISK, but the cost of doing so should neither be trivial nor prohibitively expensive. But it should be meaningful.


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Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1059	Posted - 2013.06.01 19:49:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Nothin wrote: Bling Blaine wrote: CCP Nothin wrote: The presentation we gave with Dr. EyjoG at Fanfest this year has 48 minutes worth of informational goodness regarding this very topic. Check it out if you're interested in a deep-dive on our thinking in terms of merging the economies. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzODp6-hO8 As far as the short term plans go, we are looking to enable taxed currency transactions between EVE and DUST (and perhaps player-to-player trading of items within DUST). This is coming as soon as we have the necessary features in place to support it and have a good feel how the economy is balancing out within DUST. Then, we'll carefully observe what happens, analyze the results and determine the next steps forward. Having full-on secondary market are high on the list of priorities for the subsequent economy features. I appreciate your longwinded report but, a player to player trade feature Can't be that difficult to design and implement can it? Also Eve to Dust isk transfers wouldn't hurt the economy? Are you thinking ok? Your affraid you might hurt the economy with any wrong moves yet your willing to let eve give billions to dust mercs? I dont get it? Implementing player-to-player trading isn't a trivial, but definitely doable in the short term. We are working on it and hoping to get it in if not for the next release, then the one after that. I would love to help speed up the process, but I don't think you want me touching the code unless you are willing to risk universe-shattering dupe bugs and the like. I'm an economist after all, not a programmer When it comes to managing the EVE-DUST ISK transfers, there are several different factors that play into the meaningfulness of the ISK flows from EVE towards DUST. One of the important ones is the NPC price level in DUST. By adjusting the DUST prices, we can increase or decrease the value of EVE ISK towards DUST. Such price adjustments don't have long term effects on the internal DUST economy, either. While initially devaluing savings (i.e. the ISK in your wallet), long term effects would be limited since the instant battle rewards are essentially a interlinked cycle of consumption and rewards. When the prices go up, so do the rewards. In other words, when HAVs worth 50M get destroyed in battles, a similar amount of ISK is given out as a reward. The overall goal is to find a meaningful balance before we fully open up ISK transactions. People should be able to sponsor their DUST characters with EVE ISK, but the cost of doing so should neither be trivial nor prohibitively expensive. But it should be meaningful. Thanks for the update, it's nice to get more info about both the plans and the time frame. I'll be crossing my fingers for these features making it in with the next build Cheers, Cross EDIT: @Draco Cerberus Last I heard builds like the one being talked about were slated for 3-6 month cycles counting essentially from the release of the prior build so "next build" could be as soon as three months from the start of Uprising (granted it might be almost 12 months out but with the priory being put in it the only reason it would take that long is if something in the system is broken so I find it unlikely that will be the case.)
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1062	Posted - 2013.06.01 20:48:00 - [2] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: @ Cross Yeah, I think we can expect some pretty cool stuff in the next 3-6 months from CCP. Dev blogs are always appreciated as they let us know what they have decided is most important on the agenda. It would be nice to have a ranking system for the requests to see what they feel is most important and what they've decided to focus on. I completely agree, knowing not only what's on the roadmap but which items are at the front of the que would be a very positive way for CCP to communicate with the players.